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Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
unfiltered 2006-2014 102 183 10 8047 294 46.51 17124 46.99 25 35 7 923 10 Profile
filtered 2012-2014 30 58 3 2179 190 39.61 5165 42.18 6 9 4 246 5
So an average of 39.61
Hardly disimmilar, we know this isn't about batting ability, more about needing to fit the group, by being crushingly dull and conformist.
Prior and indeed Bell have also tossed their wickets away in all kinds of ways, Bell particularly trying to go for the shot. I see they attract nothinglike the kind of attention that KP gets.
In my mind all I see is KP launching Brett Lee for 24 in an over after lunch in 2005. Happy Days
Bring on the drones, clones and "hardworking" cricketers, I know I want to pay £75 a day to watch that..
unfiltered 2006-2014 102 183 10 8047 294 46.51 17124 46.99 25 35 7 923 10 Profile
filtered 2012-2014 30 58 3 2179 190 39.61 5165 42.18 6 9 4 246 5
So an average of 39.61
Hardly disimmilar, we know this isn't about batting ability, more about needing to fit the group, by being crushingly dull and conformist.
Prior and indeed Bell have also tossed their wickets away in all kinds of ways, Bell particularly trying to go for the shot. I see they attract nothinglike the kind of attention that KP gets.
In my mind all I see is KP launching Brett Lee for 24 in an over after lunch in 2005. Happy Days
Bring on the drones, clones and "hardworking" cricketers, I know I want to pay £75 a day to watch that..
Podie said:
Gargamel said:
Bring on the drones, clones and "hardworking" cricketers, I know I want to pay £75 a day to watch that..
Lords is £85 a day for some days for Sri Lanka and India this year. Interesting stats BTW.
It was one f
king st day, I fking broke me glasses the day before and could see fk all! 
Same series Murali took 8 wickets, what a bowler he was.
The ODI series wasn't one of England's finest!!
Gargamel said:
...Bring on the drones, clones and "hardworking" cricketers, I know I want to pay £75 a day to watch that..
I'd rather have a drone than a brainless egotistical idiot flailing the bat around at random deliveries when we're 40-3 and 350+ runs behind after their 1st innings.Some people really don't get it.
He makes runs because of the way he bats - takes risks to take on the bowlers.
He isn't a grinder - and trying to make him bat like Boycott is never going to work.
He is 33. The ECB just threw away 4-5 years of runs at the top order.
I think he is a knob, but not one that deserves to have his career ended at 33 arbitrarily.
He makes runs because of the way he bats - takes risks to take on the bowlers.
He isn't a grinder - and trying to make him bat like Boycott is never going to work.
He is 33. The ECB just threw away 4-5 years of runs at the top order.
I think he is a knob, but not one that deserves to have his career ended at 33 arbitrarily.
phil-sti said:
I've got to admit that he has been made the sacrificial lamb and is being used as a way to deflect criticism from the rest of the ECB.
Swann said Pieterson had been on his best behaviour since returning and this apparent stand up argument between him and Cook in Australia has already been rubbished.
I don't think Cook is going to come out of this well.
Cock hasn't gone INTO this well ... but looks like he si going to keep his job by the looks of it. He should fall on his sword as a captain - he has led a slightly over the hill side to abject defeat in an Ashes series. But apart form the obvious scoreline, he demonstrates no leadeship on the field from what I see. Bowlers change their own field at will and he doesn't seem an inspiring figure while his PR-spun replies in interviews just make my pi55 boil.Swann said Pieterson had been on his best behaviour since returning and this apparent stand up argument between him and Cook in Australia has already been rubbished.
I don't think Cook is going to come out of this well.
Compared to Clarke as a captain he is miles behind in terms of thinking on his feet on the field during games - esp one-dayers. As others have said, his style is just captaincy by numbers. Power play - men in the ring etc - then ater that is over, send them immediately to the boundaries and keep the minimum in the ring, irrespective f who is batting and how long they have been theree., he is incapale of building ANY pressure during the opponent's innings.
Yet when we were chsing in a recent match, Clarke had SIX in the ring instead of five as he sensed that we were getting nervous and couldn't find the gaps, so he filled ANOTHER gap ,,, putting pressure on our lower order who felt unable to go over the top or when they did, got out.
While worth his place in the side as a batsman, he simply isn't as a captain.
zygalski said:
Gargamel said:
...Bring on the drones, clones and "hardworking" cricketers, I know I want to pay £75 a day to watch that..
I'd rather have a drone than a brainless egotistical idiot flailing the bat around at random deliveries when we're 40-3 and 350+ runs behind after their 1st innings.From an employment law point of view he's got an interesting case - effectively sacked with no warnings, no appeal and no reasons given.....
Marty Funkhouser said:
From an employment law point of view he's got an interesting case - effectively sacked with no warnings, no appeal and no reasons given.....
Has he though - he doesn't have a rolling contract surely - aren't these central contracts renewable every few years? They have paid his up to the tune of half a million quid. And he will now go play in the IPL and earn a fortune. While he'll be remembered for his enigmatic batting and the entertainment he gave and also the manner of his *sacking* - he ain't gonna be poor and can now cash in ala Luke Wright by becoming a pay-for-play cricketer. Maybe there is a clause in the contract that says it can be terminated at any time and paid off?It would be nice if the ECB would come out and just say he was a pain in the arse off the field and disruptive and that is why we sacked him etc. But I'm guessing they won't which is poor form and not good enough.
uk66fastback said:
Marty Funkhouser said:
From an employment law point of view he's got an interesting case - effectively sacked with no warnings, no appeal and no reasons given.....
Has he though - he doesn't have a rolling contract surely - aren't these central contracts renewable every few years? They have paid his up to the tune of half a million quid. And he will now go play in the IPL and earn a fortune. While he'll be remembered for his enigmatic batting and the entertainment he gave and also the manner of his *sacking* - he ain't gonna be poor and can now cash in ala Luke Wright by becoming a pay-for-play cricketer. Maybe there is a clause in the contract that says it can be terminated at any time and paid off?It would be nice if the ECB would come out and just say he was a pain in the arse off the field and disruptive and that is why we sacked him etc. But I'm guessing they won't which is poor form and not good enough.
ETA - seems I was wrong, Jan 2013 - http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12040/91505...
Although this suggests October 2013? - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2...
Edited by Podie on Thursday 6th February 09:09
There was a meeting on tuesday to sort out the severance from his contract.
Sure a confidentiality agreement was signed as well- otherwise his autobiography will be very interesting (perhaps written by piers)
He will do well for money for the rest of his playing career, I wonder if he will play at all in England for any county this year though. Hope so
Sure a confidentiality agreement was signed as well- otherwise his autobiography will be very interesting (perhaps written by piers)
He will do well for money for the rest of his playing career, I wonder if he will play at all in England for any county this year though. Hope so
I don't think he'll give a toss about the money - he will already have enough and will have no shortage of offers.
But you cannot 'buy' international cricket. Pretty poor form to end someone's career - especially given the seemingly poor cricket credentials of those making the decisions.
But you cannot 'buy' international cricket. Pretty poor form to end someone's career - especially given the seemingly poor cricket credentials of those making the decisions.
Interesting quote from someone on Cricinfo:
"...The point George makes about the ECB's responsibility is correct.
They do not OWN cricket in the UK, they run it with the fans and sponsors money with an EXPLICIT obligation to be ultimately answerable to them. So we need to know. Many at Sydney know more or less EXACTLY what happened - but it seems Cricnfo refuse to print what the fans who heard the arguments know and will only print it if it officially comes from either KP or the ECB - well fair enough.
I can tell you this - it was VERY loud - witnessed by LOTS of people (hundreds). Some recorded parts of it. I t won't stay quiet forever. Cricinfo's decision to censor what fans who witnessed the argument are showing them is sad but a reflection of the fear of litigation the press has these days and the end of free speech..."
Don't know what all this is about but there'll be some interesting autobiographies published whenever the ECB's '13/'14 Ashes 'Official Secrets Act' period ends.
"...The point George makes about the ECB's responsibility is correct.
They do not OWN cricket in the UK, they run it with the fans and sponsors money with an EXPLICIT obligation to be ultimately answerable to them. So we need to know. Many at Sydney know more or less EXACTLY what happened - but it seems Cricnfo refuse to print what the fans who heard the arguments know and will only print it if it officially comes from either KP or the ECB - well fair enough.
I can tell you this - it was VERY loud - witnessed by LOTS of people (hundreds). Some recorded parts of it. I t won't stay quiet forever. Cricinfo's decision to censor what fans who witnessed the argument are showing them is sad but a reflection of the fear of litigation the press has these days and the end of free speech..."
Don't know what all this is about but there'll be some interesting autobiographies published whenever the ECB's '13/'14 Ashes 'Official Secrets Act' period ends.
captainzep said:
Interesting quote from someone on Cricinfo:
"...The point George makes about the ECB's responsibility is correct.
They do not OWN cricket in the UK, they run it with the fans and sponsors money with an EXPLICIT obligation to be ultimately answerable to them. So we need to know. Many at Sydney know more or less EXACTLY what happened - but it seems Cricnfo refuse to print what the fans who heard the arguments know and will only print it if it officially comes from either KP or the ECB - well fair enough.
I can tell you this - it was VERY loud - witnessed by LOTS of people (hundreds). Some recorded parts of it. I t won't stay quiet forever. Cricinfo's decision to censor what fans who witnessed the argument are showing them is sad but a reflection of the fear of litigation the press has these days and the end of free speech..."
Don't know what all this is about but there'll be some interesting autobiographies published whenever the ECB's '13/'14 Ashes 'Official Secrets Act' period ends.
If "hundreds of people" witnessed and in some cases recorded the row it would be public by now. If I had that I wouldn't take it to cricinfo, the suggestion that they are suppressing it is ridiculous. The Sun or Mirror would have had it long ago."...The point George makes about the ECB's responsibility is correct.
They do not OWN cricket in the UK, they run it with the fans and sponsors money with an EXPLICIT obligation to be ultimately answerable to them. So we need to know. Many at Sydney know more or less EXACTLY what happened - but it seems Cricnfo refuse to print what the fans who heard the arguments know and will only print it if it officially comes from either KP or the ECB - well fair enough.
I can tell you this - it was VERY loud - witnessed by LOTS of people (hundreds). Some recorded parts of it. I t won't stay quiet forever. Cricinfo's decision to censor what fans who witnessed the argument are showing them is sad but a reflection of the fear of litigation the press has these days and the end of free speech..."
Don't know what all this is about but there'll be some interesting autobiographies published whenever the ECB's '13/'14 Ashes 'Official Secrets Act' period ends.
unrepentant said:
If "hundreds of people" witnessed and in some cases recorded the row it would be public by now. If I had that I wouldn't take it to cricinfo, the suggestion that they are suppressing it is ridiculous. The Sun or Mirror would have had it long ago.
Agreed.England in turmoil during the Ashes - it would have sold plenty of papers.
Got all excited when I saw this:
Piers damaged as south coast battered by storms http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26060304
Unfortunately it wasn't Piers 'the turd' Morgan.
Piers damaged as south coast battered by storms http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26060304
Unfortunately it wasn't Piers 'the turd' Morgan.
Just listed to the Tuffers and Vaughan show that was on R5 last night...on KP, team going forward, captaincy etc. Well worth a listen IMHO
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/5lspecials
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/5lspecials
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