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I personally don't think Porte is a GC contender on the Grand Tours, you have to be just as much mentally and physically resilient aswel as physically fit, you need to be able to fend off the injuries, illness, bad luck etc and Porte just doesn't seem to cope well with those things.
Yes Contador has a dodgy past and I'm not a fan of his, but look how he has dealt with things over the last few years, broken (albeit overhyped) leg last year, dislocated shoulder this and yet he is still there bossing it, his TT on Stage 14 was incredible, to lose 12 seconds on the 1st place guy is seriously good going, then look at Aru and Porte, nowhere!
Yes Contador has a dodgy past and I'm not a fan of his, but look how he has dealt with things over the last few years, broken (albeit overhyped) leg last year, dislocated shoulder this and yet he is still there bossing it, his TT on Stage 14 was incredible, to lose 12 seconds on the 1st place guy is seriously good going, then look at Aru and Porte, nowhere!
Leithen said:
The problem I have with Contador and any other GC contender who dominates is the absence of poor days in the saddle.
On one hand it's mighty impressive, on the other deeply suspicious.
I appreciate this but then again I think that he just trains better, longer and harder than the others, this race has clearly shown the gulf between the lieks fo Contador and the other GC contenders. I also think tactically he is very intelligent, conserves his energy well and knows when to cover and when to attack. On one hand it's mighty impressive, on the other deeply suspicious.
There are some days (sprinters stages for example) where the likes of Contador and Aru dont need to be at the front giving it maximum attack so although he doesnt have bad days, the GC guys do get days where they can ride at less than 100%
el stovey said:
Leithen said:
On one hand it's mighty impressive, on the other deeply suspicious.
Of course it's suspicious, he's a massive cheat. 
Why's he even riding? His presence in the peloton makes a mockery of the entire sport, what a complete farce.
So when Froome ,Wiggins or anyone else matches or beats AC they must also be on PEDs?
P.S my views on dopers and their punishment is well documented on PH.
Granfondo said:
Ok so to do what he does you have to be on rocket fuel?
So when Froome ,Wiggins or anyone else matches or beats AC they must also be on PEDs?
P.S my views on dopers and their punishment is well documented on PH.
No, there's no evidence Froome or Wiggins are doping,, we know they ride for clean teams though. We DO know Contador is a cheat. He benefits from doping and the residual benefits from doping. He's been caught doping and always been linked to doping and doping teams. So when Froome ,Wiggins or anyone else matches or beats AC they must also be on PEDs?
P.S my views on dopers and their punishment is well documented on PH.
el stovey said:
Granfondo said:
Ok so to do what he does you have to be on rocket fuel?
So when Froome ,Wiggins or anyone else matches or beats AC they must also be on PEDs?
P.S my views on dopers and their punishment is well documented on PH.
No, there's no evidence Froome or Wiggins are doping,, we know they ride for clean teams though. We DO know Contador is a cheat. He benefits from doping and the residual benefits from doping. He's been caught doping and always been linked to doping and doping teams. So when Froome ,Wiggins or anyone else matches or beats AC they must also be on PEDs?
P.S my views on dopers and their punishment is well documented on PH.
I applaud your total belief that riders that can keep up and beat a 'known doper" who you say is still doping when the benefit of doping can be as high as 15-20%!
I hope your right because every time I see a fantastic performance I get suspicious!
el stovey said:
No, there's no evidence Froome or Wiggins are doping,, we know they ride for clean teams though. We DO know Contador is a cheat. He benefits from doping and the residual benefits from doping. He's been caught doping and always been linked to doping and doping teams.
Absolute b
ks - you have no evidence to suggest that Froome and Wiggins are clean, and you have absolutely no idea that Sky are clean too. IF you don't like watching Contador, switch your fking TV off.P.s. brilliant racing - today's stage is going to be an absolute humdinger.
mcelliott said:
Absolute bks - you have no evidence to suggest that Froome and Wiggins are clean, and you have absolutely no idea that Sky are clean too. IF you don't like watching Contador, switch your fking TV off.
P.s. brilliant racing - today's stage is going to be an absolute humdinger.
I dont know if anyone is doping or not the UCI don't so I certainly dont. If you watch cycling and think everyone who does well dopes I would find another sport to watch.ks - you have no evidence to suggest that Froome and Wiggins are clean, and you have absolutely no idea that Sky are clean too. IF you don't like watching Contador, switch your fking TV off.P.s. brilliant racing - today's stage is going to be an absolute humdinger.
You have to give people the benefit of the doubt,its ok to have doubts but without evidence thats all you do have.
mcelliott said:
Absolute bks - you have no evidence to suggest that Froome and Wiggins are clean, and you have absolutely no idea that Sky are clean too. IF you don't like watching Contador, switch your fking TV off.
P.s. brilliant racing - today's stage is going to be an absolute humdinger.
What are you on about? There's no evidence Froome or Wiggins dope, Contador is a doper. Isn't this thread about the giro? You don't think it's a bit sad that it's being led by a drugs cheat? ks - you have no evidence to suggest that Froome and Wiggins are clean, and you have absolutely no idea that Sky are clean too. IF you don't like watching Contador, switch your fking TV off.P.s. brilliant racing - today's stage is going to be an absolute humdinger.
Innocent until proven guilty, which is exactly what happened to Contador.
el stovey said:
mcelliott said:
Absolute bks - you have no evidence to suggest that Froome and Wiggins are clean, and you have absolutely no idea that Sky are clean too. IF you don't like watching Contador, switch your fking TV off.
P.s. brilliant racing - today's stage is going to be an absolute humdinger.
What are you on about? There's no evidence Froome or Wiggins dope, Contador is a doper. Isn't this thread about the giro? You don't think it's a bit sad that it's being led by a drugs cheat? ks - you have no evidence to suggest that Froome and Wiggins are clean, and you have absolutely no idea that Sky are clean too. IF you don't like watching Contador, switch your fking TV off.P.s. brilliant racing - today's stage is going to be an absolute humdinger.
Innocent until proven guilty, which is exactly what happened to Contador.
ts like you who de-rail a perfectly good thread. Happened in the Vuelta thread too - got a warning from the mods.Not the 'old' doping thing AGAIN. Can't we just talk about the merits of the Giro? and a great performance from AC?
OK we accept AC got done before but we have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's on a level playing field now. Plus, he served his ban and did all the jazz.
Agree with the other poster - if it really repulses you so much, simply don't watch it.
Also, you never know how clean all the other teams 'really' are.
It's very hard to move on in cycling and enjoy some superb racing when the ghosts of past keep re-appearing time and time again.
OK we accept AC got done before but we have to give him the benefit of the doubt that he's on a level playing field now. Plus, he served his ban and did all the jazz.
Agree with the other poster - if it really repulses you so much, simply don't watch it.
Also, you never know how clean all the other teams 'really' are.
It's very hard to move on in cycling and enjoy some superb racing when the ghosts of past keep re-appearing time and time again.
mcelliott said:
You said you "knew" that Sky are a clean team. How do you know? Are you privy to every piece of data they've got? Yes this thread is about the Giro - if you want to start up your own doping thread, do so, and bring some evidence. We always get tts like you who de-rail a perfectly good thread. Happened in the Vuelta thread too - got a warning from the mods.
Are you really calling me names then threatening to tell on me. ts like you who de-rail a perfectly good thread. Happened in the Vuelta thread too - got a warning from the mods.What's all the "we always get" nonsense? It's not your thread or forum. People were talking about Astana earlier on and you were talking about doping yourself. Now for some reason you've had enough and decide it's time to stop? If you haven't noticed, it's "the professional cycle thread", If you want to just talk about the giro then you need to start your own thread.
It's people like you who turn a blind eye to cheating and support the dopers that ruin the sport. If people rejected it more then the UCI would be forced to act as sponsors would leave. I bet you were one of the people that thought Armstrong was great.
Why do people still talk about doping? Because it's still ruining pro cycling.. Why is nobody talking about the giro? It's because it's being led by a drugs cheat who is fighting against Astana. Contador denies he cheated and gets support from the Spanish cycling and anti doping federations. He hasn't done his time at all.
Edited by el stovey on Sunday 31st May 02:47
el stovey said:
mcelliott said:
You said you "knew" that Sky are a clean team. How do you know? Are you privy to every piece of data they've got? Yes this thread is about the Giro - if you want to start up your own doping thread, do so, and bring some evidence. We always get tts like you who de-rail a perfectly good thread. Happened in the Vuelta thread too - got a warning from the mods.
Are you really calling me names then threatening to tell on me. ts like you who de-rail a perfectly good thread. Happened in the Vuelta thread too - got a warning from the mods.What's all the "we always get" nonsense? It's not your thread or forum. People were talking about Astana earlier on and you were talking about doping yourself. Now for some reason you've had enough and decide it's time to stop? If you haven't noticed, it's "the professional cycle thread", If you want to just talk about the giro then you need to start your own thread.
It's people like you who turn a blind eye to cheating and support the dopers that ruin the sport. If people rejected it more then the UCI would be forced to act as sponsors would leave. I bet you were one of the people that thought Armstrong was great.
Why do people still talk about doping? Because it's still ruining pro cycling.. Why is nobody talking about the giro? It's because it's being led by a drugs cheat who is fighting against Astana. Contador denies he cheated and gets support from the Spanish cycling and anti doping federations. He hasn't done his time at all.
Edited by el stovey on Sunday 31st May 02:47
Anyway, for the people who really enjoy their cycling, here's some photos:
http://stories.strava.com/race-day-mortirolo?utm_s...
johnxjsc1985 said:
The TDF is looking like it could be a classic if all the favourites turn up healthy and in good form.
Yup, can't wait. Just been watching Clean Spirit, which is an excellent docu film about the T de F following Kittel and Argos Shimano at the 2013 tour. It's on Netflix if anyone is interested.
http://youtu.be/xPuhtJROgoA
The last week of le tour is immensely hard, four of five very tough mountain stages where there will be attacks from all angles. I enjoyed la giro, it was a good race but some "contenders" really let themselves down, where the hell were Uran and Porte? they were supposed to be the ones to really challenge Contador and had nothing despite Porte in partcular, having a good run of victories in the spring. Aru had to make significant amends in those last two days for fear of being shown up by Landa Meana. Good rides from Hesjedal and Konig though, and Adam Hansen, what is it now, 12 GT finishes on the bounce... epic.
And for all the doping talk, there is more about Contador's motorised wheels than there is the old school PEDs, this isnt the first race where he has had bike/wheel changes. I seem to recall a year or two ago, it was announced on race radio there would be a bike check at the end and he changed bikes shortly after....
Dauphine Liberie next up...
And for all the doping talk, there is more about Contador's motorised wheels than there is the old school PEDs, this isnt the first race where he has had bike/wheel changes. I seem to recall a year or two ago, it was announced on race radio there would be a bike check at the end and he changed bikes shortly after....
Dauphine Liberie next up...
el stovey said:
What are you on about? There's no evidence Froome or Wiggins dope, Contador is a doper. Isn't this thread about the giro? You don't think it's a bit sad that it's being led by a drugs cheat?
Innocent until proven guilty, which is exactly what happened to Contador.
Btw this thread isn't solely about the Giro, this is the capture all professional cycling thread so all topics are open to discussion. Innocent until proven guilty, which is exactly what happened to Contador.
Except Lance Armstrong! He's been done to death in the dedicated thread
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