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Suspicious values came from his time with Endura racing I think, for the life of me I don't know why Sky wanted to sign him as he was a rider always viewed with a degree of suspicion in the local British scene. So much for their attention to detail, anyway see you in two years cheating scummer.
Interesting quote at the bottom about Armstrong
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/28362016
BBC said:
A survey published by Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf this week claims that 12 of the 25 surviving winners of cycling's biggest race believe that Armstrong should be handed back his seven Tour de France titles.
sSems like an odd response from past winners, unless those 12 were doping too of course! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/28362016
Some Gump said:
FFS.
So who won the tour of britain?
Nathan HaasSo who won the tour of britain?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Tour_of_Britain
GarryDK said:
Interesting quote at the bottom about Armstrong
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/28362016
I guess they are of the opinion that as so much of the field was doping, what's the point in stripping LA of his titles. Difficult to reconcile with a "clean" sport though.BBC said:
A survey published by Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf this week claims that 12 of the 25 surviving winners of cycling's biggest race believe that Armstrong should be handed back his seven Tour de France titles.
sSems like an odd response from past winners, unless those 12 were doping too of course! http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/28362016
GarryDK said:
Then why strip anyone at all? you may as well ban and leave them with the title. it either has to be totally clean or leave it be. surely?
That's what I mean - In a perverse way, if everyone was doping, it is still a level playing field, with everyone at the same level (ie doped up..). Just depends who got away with it the best, which seems to be most. If that makes sense..SydneyBridge said:
That's what I mean - In a perverse way, if everyone was doping, it is still a level playing field, with everyone at the same level (ie doped up..). Just depends who got away with it the best, which seems to be most. If that makes sense..
Yeah it does and its the view I hold too. As we have always known though, some teams were using doping techniques which were far more sophisticated than others and yielded far greater results so to say it was a "level playing field" because they were all doping is inaccurate.
It wasnt that easy to perform blood transfusions back in those days and keep the blood fresh and then make it available to use during a race so inevitably the teams or riders who had the most money could pull it off better than the rest. Most of the lower teams probably resorted to a mix of amphetamines and the more commonly available PEDs, but were unlikely to be doping.
its more accurate to say they were all cheating, some were doping, and one or two doping very efficiently but it certianly wsnt a level playing field.
It wasnt that easy to perform blood transfusions back in those days and keep the blood fresh and then make it available to use during a race so inevitably the teams or riders who had the most money could pull it off better than the rest. Most of the lower teams probably resorted to a mix of amphetamines and the more commonly available PEDs, but were unlikely to be doping.
its more accurate to say they were all cheating, some were doping, and one or two doping very efficiently but it certianly wsnt a level playing field.
Highway Star said:
Contract with Sky terminated with immediate effect. Just on the BBC TdF live radio feed.
OKgo called it....With regards to the 90s, I am not convinced by the level playing field arguments. I once read a quote (can't remember who said it) that in the 60s, 70s and 80s etc, there were steroids and amphetamines etc etc, but it didn't matter so much because the right guy still won. However, EPO changed all that as EPO could turn a donkey into a racehorse. - not word for word, but something like that.
Also as the whole process got industrialised in the 90s - it was about how good your program was.
Vocal Minority said:
OKgo called it....
Surely that is a more simple test than all this blood passport malarky.Just put JTL and Okgo in Richmond park on a sunday afternoon, winner gets their own bodyweight in wiggle haribo (important to make sure he really tries his best) .
If jTL isn't dropped by the time they pass the ice cream van, by definition he must be doping - NOONE beats Okgo down "barrel of beard" without either drugs or wind assistance...
Some Gump said:
Vocal Minority said:
OKgo called it....
Surely that is a more simple test than all this blood passport malarky.Just put JTL and Okgo in Richmond park on a sunday afternoon, winner gets their own bodyweight in wiggle haribo (important to make sure he really tries his best) .
If jTL isn't dropped by the time they pass the ice cream van, by definition he must be doping - NOONE beats Okgo down "barrel of beard" without either drugs or wind assistance...
The Haribo factory had better get another shift organised if Okgo might win his weight in TangfasticsGassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff