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General cricket thread

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FredericRobinson

3,694 posts

232 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Tom Helm, according to Cricinfo his last 1st class game (in a career of 8) was for Middx in April 2015, he's currently playing for the England Lions in Sri Lanka, how's that happened then?

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Sunday 19th February 2017
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Just watching SL V Crim T20. No idea how Malinga's action is legal.

Also. WTF has happened to Swanny? He appears to have melted.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

123 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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The Indian Premier League (which takes place between 5 Apr - 21 May) auction is taking place right now. Stokes just got sold for $2.16m, Mills went for $1.8m and Morgan $300k. That's quite a payday although players are only paid for the amount of time they're available for so being on England duty will cost Stokes a few hundred k.


Edit - Chris Woakes goes for $630k.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2017/feb/20...




Edited by BlackLabel on Monday 20th February 07:39

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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Stokes 2.16, Morgan 300k.

Bairstow... Unsold.

Ouch!

Edited by hornetrider on Monday 20th February 07:55

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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hornetrider said:
Just watching SL V Crim T20. No idea how Malinga's action is legal.
Sensational finish to this game actually. Anyone watch? SL needed 38 from the last 12 balls and got them!

https://youtu.be/duNAWX9sMDA

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

123 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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hornetrider said:
Just watching SL V Crim T20. No idea how Malinga's action is legal.

Also. WTF has happened to Swanny? He appears to have melted.
When it comes to chucking as long as you don't extend more than 15 degrees at the elbow it's legal. Malinga bowls with a low arm which is perfectly legal, in fact he could even bowl with his arm at a right angle to his body and it would still be legal.

This is fine....





The ones below (Ajmal and Narine) however, assuming they straighten their arm before delivering the ball (which tests found they did), aren't.






WindyCommon

3,371 posts

239 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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BlackLabel said:
The Indian Premier League (which takes place between 5 Apr - 21 May) auction is taking place right now. Stokes just got sold for $2.16m, Mills went for $1.8m and Morgan $300k. That's quite a payday although players are only paid for the amount of time they're available for so being on England duty will cost Stokes a few hundred k.


Edit - Chris Woakes goes for $630k.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2017/feb/20...

Edited by BlackLabel on Monday 20th February 07:39
I was interested to understand who receives what from these auctions. Here's the clearest answer can find. I have no idea if it is accurate.

"The money is shared by both the Player and the franchise.

A team can acquire players through five ways: The annual auction, signing domestic players, signing uncapped players, trading players, and signing replacements.

In the trading window, a player can only be traded with his consent, with the franchise paying the difference if any between the old and new contract. If the new contract is worth more than the older one, the difference is shared between the player and the franchise selling the player.

In cricketing leagues we don't have a transfer and weekly wage system as major leagues in football have,in which you give a transfer amount to the opposite club to release its player and then you do a seperate contract with the player regarding the signing fee and weekly wage."

So these aren't analogous to football transfer fees in any meaningful way. The sums quoted are (simplistically) the wages that will be paid to the players.

Lots of questions! Are the contracts usually for a single year only? Are agents involved?

Edited by WindyCommon on Monday 20th February 15:22

Amirhussain

11,489 posts

163 months

Monday 20th February 2017
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hornetrider said:
hornetrider said:
Just watching SL V Crim T20. No idea how Malinga's action is legal.
Sensational finish to this game actually. Anyone watch? SL needed 38 from the last 12 balls and got them!

https://youtu.be/duNAWX9sMDA
What a game and what a finish! Happy to see Michael Klinger playing for Australia, his a class player.

Amirhussain

11,489 posts

163 months

Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Long Drax

744 posts

170 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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Amirhussain said:
The NZ women's opening batter(Bates) was flowing nicely on her home ground. Entertaining the crowd with some well-timed shots, until an unfortunate mix-up with Guy left her stranded in the middle, and the umpire(Bird) had no alternative but to put their finger up.



BlackLabel

13,251 posts

123 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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WindyCommon said:
I was interested to understand who receives what from these auctions. Here's the clearest answer can find. I have no idea if it is accurate.
It's quite complicated but the headline auction figure is what the player gets paid if they're available for the full tournament. I believe it's pro rata if they are unavailable to play X number of days/weeks due to international commitments.

But the players in question also have to give the ECB some money.

Telegraph said:
England players bought at this weekend’s Indian Premier League auction will be docked around £3,500 per day of their England salary to play in India.

Ben Stokes, who is on a central contract, will be deducted 0.5 per cent of his central contract for every day he is on IPL duty, which could cost him more than £100,000, even though England director Andrew Strauss is encouraging players to play in the competition.
Telegraph said:
The deduction is to fund payments from the ECB to compensate the counties for the fact their player is unavailable at a time when he could be playing domestic cricket. The money will be split among the counties and paid as top-up grants for their academies.
Telegraph said:
The IPL is due to start on April 5 but Stokes will have to be India before then and payments are deducted from the day IPL duty begins. Those players selected for England’s two-match one-day series against Ireland will have to be home by May 1 but senior figures such as Stokes and Buttler could be given permission to stay longer to gain more experience of the IPL. They will have to be home by May 14 for an England training camp in Spain before the Champions Trophy in June.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/01/30/ben-stokes-faces-sacrificing-100000-central-contract-play-ipl/

Back-of-the-envelope stuff but Stokes was bought for around £1.7m minus a few hundred k for missing the last 2 weeks of the tournament minus the £100k ECB fee which leaves around £1.3-1.4m.

The Indian taxman also takes 10%.

http://www.thehindu.com/business/Without-PAN-forei...




Amirhussain

11,489 posts

163 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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Wow dominant victory for the Aussies over India in the first test. O'Keefe picking up 6fers in both innings.

Active75

245 posts

164 months

Saturday 25th February 2017
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Were India overconfident? The Indian commentators analysed O'Keefe as bowling with little spin, but just pitching the ball up; fantastic result for him.

Amirhussain

11,489 posts

163 months

Monday 27th February 2017
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What England came up against in a tour match


AW111

9,674 posts

133 months

Tuesday 28th February 2017
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Active75 said:
Were India overconfident? The Indian commentators analysed O'Keefe as bowling with little spin, but just pitching the ball up; fantastic result for him.
It appears they chose to curate a very spin-friendly pitch to capitalise on "Australia's weakness against spin".

Amirhussain

11,489 posts

163 months

Saturday 4th March 2017
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AW111 said:
Active75 said:
Were India overconfident? The Indian commentators analysed O'Keefe as bowling with little spin, but just pitching the ball up; fantastic result for him.
It appears they chose to curate a very spin-friendly pitch to capitalise on "Australia's weakness against spin".
Well they've been totally and utterly taken to the cleaners by Nathan Lyon today. Bowling figures of 8-50

Gargamel

14,983 posts

261 months

Saturday 4th March 2017
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Yep Aussie's hammered them today.

Seem a different side to the one England played...

AW111

9,674 posts

133 months

Sunday 5th March 2017
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While the pitch has copped some criticism, today was proper test cricket, IMO.
Batsmen getting to 50 in ones and twos with the occasional boundary, and a wicket always in the offing.
With a lead of 48 and Mitch Starc at the crease, where will they end up? The wicket will probably be coned off by Health & Safety by day 5, so Australia really need at least another 50 to start to feel comfortable.

Inetesting trivia : at tea, Aus were 165/5. On day one, India were 168/5 at tea...

Gargamel

14,983 posts

261 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Shows that the India team have real class. Great comeback after a day 1 pasting

I see our criminal chums have been at it again

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/39194259

Dressing room assistance on DRS calls. Not quite cricket.

Black can man

31,838 posts

168 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Gargamel said:
Shows that the India team have real class. Great comeback after a day 1 pasting

I see our criminal chums have been at it again

http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/39194259

Dressing room assistance on DRS calls. Not quite cricket.
Brain faze Smith said.


Surprised it's not happened before TBH.