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100%.UTH said:
What is it that everyone hates about the 100?
For the record I'm all about tests - I'd happily get rid of all white ball cricket to have more tests if that was an option, but on the flip side I don't quite get the hatred of the 100 either.
For me, it's the falseness and the contrived nature of it all that I don't like (and yes, I am aware of the irony as I love T20 cricket and all forms in fact).For the record I'm all about tests - I'd happily get rid of all white ball cricket to have more tests if that was an option, but on the flip side I don't quite get the hatred of the 100 either.
The invention of new teams as franchises, the whole gaudy graphics, the unnecessary tweak from 20 overs to 100 balls to appease those that can't sit still for 75 minutes; those are the sort of things that irk me. There really isn't a lot with the T20 Blast IMO, it's the same counties so there is brand loyalty there. It's a game you can get over and done with in a 2-3 hours tops and my team, Somerset, are rather good at it.
It's an attempted, forced solution to a problem that doesn't exist. There's room in the cricket calendar for four day cricket, Tests, one day cricket and the Blast. No need for a fifth competition, that tips everything over the edge.
UTH said:
What is it that everyone hates about the 100?
For the record I'm all about tests - I'd happily get rid of all white ball cricket to have more tests if that was an option, but on the flip side I don't quite get the hatred of the 100 either.
It's contrived. No other country plays it. It occupies valuable county and test time. It's completely pointless in the grand scheme of things. It was dreamt up for what reason I know not. T20 far better. Sadly it'll never be dropped as the powers thst be will never admit they've fFor the record I'm all about tests - I'd happily get rid of all white ball cricket to have more tests if that was an option, but on the flip side I don't quite get the hatred of the 100 either.
ked up with this abomination. Edited by Smollet on Monday 29th April 17:31
UTH said:
What is it that everyone hates about the 100?
For the record I'm all about tests - I'd happily get rid of all white ball cricket to have more tests if that was an option, but on the flip side I don't quite get the hatred of the 100 either.
I actually quite like it. Its good to have the double headers with the womens game to bring the crowds in, its cheap, and it has a festival format with games everynight, at the right time after work.For the record I'm all about tests - I'd happily get rid of all white ball cricket to have more tests if that was an option, but on the flip side I don't quite get the hatred of the 100 either.
Appreciate it gets in the way of others things and causes agro. I do like the T20 blast as well. Annoyed that I now coach cricket on a Friday and cant get ot any games.
WindyCommon said:
3 of 4 pre-season practice games lost to rain over the last two weekends. Last chance this weekend before league cricket starts…
Ours 1st XI got a league game in on Saturday, kids games all rained off on the Sunday. This weekend is looking sketchy as well. Im hoping for a spot in the 3rd XI, 25 years since I last played.Smollet said:
It's contrived. No other country plays it. It occupies valuable county and test time. It's completely pointless in the grand scheme of things. It was dreamt up for what reason I know not. T20 far better. Sadly it'll never be dropped as the powers that be will never admit they've fked up with this abomination.
I believe it was conceived in order to get around contractual TV obligations with T20, allowing the ECB to 'sell' it to the highest bidder. A dodge to make more money basically. ked up with this abomination.WindyCommon said:
3 of 4 pre-season practice games lost to rain over the last two weekends. Last chance this weekend before league cricket starts…
This was one of our pitches on Friday - I’d spent the day doing some cutting and prep ready for this Saturday Thankfully got the covers on one wicket (7 of 8 to still be cut) but then it rained on Sunday…
If the rain stays off this week we should be ok for Saturday and Sunday matches.
GloverMart said:
UTH said:
What is it that everyone hates about the 100?
For the record I'm all about tests - I'd happily get rid of all white ball cricket to have more tests if that was an option, but on the flip side I don't quite get the hatred of the 100 either.
For me, it's the falseness and the contrived nature of it all that I don't like (and yes, I am aware of the irony as I love T20 cricket and all forms in fact).For the record I'm all about tests - I'd happily get rid of all white ball cricket to have more tests if that was an option, but on the flip side I don't quite get the hatred of the 100 either.
The invention of new teams as franchises, the whole gaudy graphics, the unnecessary tweak from 20 overs to 100 balls to appease those that can't sit still for 75 minutes; those are the sort of things that irk me. There really isn't a lot with the T20 Blast IMO, it's the same counties so there is brand loyalty there. It's a game you can get over and done with in a 2-3 hours tops and my team, Somerset, are rather good at it.
It's an attempted, forced solution to a problem that doesn't exist. There's room in the cricket calendar for four day cricket, Tests, one day cricket and the Blast. No need for a fifth competition, that tips everything over the edge.
I personally find the standard of the T20 Blast is pretty poor to be honest….when you do see international players they look on a totally different level. The Hundred undoubtedly has higher quality teams but it is not there yet. That said it seems after recent meetings 50% of all teams are up for sale with the entire London Spirit franchise being for sale. Question of how many IPL owners but teams not IF they buy them or indeed if the Saudi’s get involved.
Cheib said:
GloverMart said:
UTH said:
What is it that everyone hates about the 100?
For the record I'm all about tests - I'd happily get rid of all white ball cricket to have more tests if that was an option, but on the flip side I don't quite get the hatred of the 100 either.
For me, it's the falseness and the contrived nature of it all that I don't like (and yes, I am aware of the irony as I love T20 cricket and all forms in fact).For the record I'm all about tests - I'd happily get rid of all white ball cricket to have more tests if that was an option, but on the flip side I don't quite get the hatred of the 100 either.
The invention of new teams as franchises, the whole gaudy graphics, the unnecessary tweak from 20 overs to 100 balls to appease those that can't sit still for 75 minutes; those are the sort of things that irk me. There really isn't a lot with the T20 Blast IMO, it's the same counties so there is brand loyalty there. It's a game you can get over and done with in a 2-3 hours tops and my team, Somerset, are rather good at it.
It's an attempted, forced solution to a problem that doesn't exist. There's room in the cricket calendar for four day cricket, Tests, one day cricket and the Blast. No need for a fifth competition, that tips everything over the edge.
I personally find the standard of the T20 Blast is pretty poor to be honest….when you do see international players they look on a totally different level. The Hundred undoubtedly has higher quality teams but it is not there yet. That said it seems after recent meetings 50% of all teams are up for sale with the entire London Spirit franchise being for sale. Question of how many IPL owners but teams not IF they buy them or indeed if the Saudi’s get involved.
it has (and the original idea had) absolutely nothing to do with the top players playing the top players and improving the standard. Some of the people in the hundred, especially the O/S are very very modest. Its purely financial tool.
If you believe it as a trojan horse into regionalized 4 days cricket of 8 teams playing the best of the best, then maybe, but in no way is it a vehicle for that silly idea either, the uk has 70m people, and a relatively large playing pool despite the decline in kids playing the game... copying australia isn't needed...perhaps copy the ranji trophy...
Its purely a financial tool and is a failure in actual terms, poor ticket sales, free tickets and reduced tickets making it seem popular, bbc losing interest, no other interest in the format overseas. The latest sale of teams/equity or whatever is desperate last throw of the dice. The ecb hoped to flog the format and the teams for far more than is going to happen. the 2 week deadline is simply to force the hand quickly of those against it.
It simply wasn't needed and has messed up the schedule even more.
I do find it amusing that some of those who say its confected also like the ipl!
The blast is a decent standard, international players are not signifcant standout performers as any stats show. your simply wrong!
Proper marketing by the ecb (well any at all...) and a divisional basis would have seen it be a top t20 comp. It popular despite naysayers with most counties selling out the properly scheduled games and huge crowds at the London test grounds, and not all pssd up city boys (guilty). Uk is not a city based society (cricket especially not), and invented non tribal teams hold little appeal. Yes some kids do always want the shirt, i speak from experience having to shell out, regardless but theres little interest above initial novelty value for those paying, 'families'/women/minorities as the ecb marketing aims, the ticketing situation is evidence enough of this, along with the enduring popularity of the blast, finals day etc.
theplayingmantis said:
Sorry absolute tosh.
it has (and the original idea had) absolutely nothing to do with the top players playing the top players and improving the standard. Some of the people in the hundred, especially the O/S are very very modest. Its purely financial tool.
If you believe it as a trojan horse into regionalized 4 days cricket of 8 teams playing the best of the best, then maybe, but in no way is it a vehicle for that silly idea either, the uk has 70m people, and a relatively large playing pool despite the decline in kids playing the game... copying australia isn't needed...perhaps copy the ranji trophy...
Its purely a financial tool and is a failure in actual terms, poor ticket sales, free tickets and reduced tickets making it seem popular, bbc losing interest, no other interest in the format overseas. The latest sale of teams/equity or whatever is desperate last throw of the dice. The ecb hoped to flog the format and the teams for far more than is going to happen. the 2 week deadline is simply to force the hand quickly of those against it.
It simply wasn't needed and has messed up the schedule even more.
I do find it amusing that some of those who say its confected also like the ipl!
The blast is a decent standard, international players are not signifcant standout performers as any stats show. your simply wrong!
Proper marketing by the ecb (well any at all...) and a divisional basis would have seen it be a top t20 comp. It popular despite naysayers with most counties selling out the properly scheduled games and huge crowds at the London test grounds, and not all pssd up city boys (guilty). Uk is not a city based society (cricket especially not), and invented non tribal teams hold little appeal. Yes some kids do always want the shirt, i speak from experience having to shell out, regardless but theres little interest above initial novelty value for those paying, 'families'/women/minorities as the ecb marketing aims, the ticketing situation is evidence enough of this, along with the enduring popularity of the blast, finals day etc.
Absolutely what he says. The irony of the hundred was that 20 years ago the ecb invented a new short format game to introduce cricket to a new and younger audience. It was a fantastic success and spawned identical competitions around the world. T20 was its name. it has (and the original idea had) absolutely nothing to do with the top players playing the top players and improving the standard. Some of the people in the hundred, especially the O/S are very very modest. Its purely financial tool.
If you believe it as a trojan horse into regionalized 4 days cricket of 8 teams playing the best of the best, then maybe, but in no way is it a vehicle for that silly idea either, the uk has 70m people, and a relatively large playing pool despite the decline in kids playing the game... copying australia isn't needed...perhaps copy the ranji trophy...
Its purely a financial tool and is a failure in actual terms, poor ticket sales, free tickets and reduced tickets making it seem popular, bbc losing interest, no other interest in the format overseas. The latest sale of teams/equity or whatever is desperate last throw of the dice. The ecb hoped to flog the format and the teams for far more than is going to happen. the 2 week deadline is simply to force the hand quickly of those against it.
It simply wasn't needed and has messed up the schedule even more.
I do find it amusing that some of those who say its confected also like the ipl!
The blast is a decent standard, international players are not signifcant standout performers as any stats show. your simply wrong!
Proper marketing by the ecb (well any at all...) and a divisional basis would have seen it be a top t20 comp. It popular despite naysayers with most counties selling out the properly scheduled games and huge crowds at the London test grounds, and not all pssd up city boys (guilty). Uk is not a city based society (cricket especially not), and invented non tribal teams hold little appeal. Yes some kids do always want the shirt, i speak from experience having to shell out, regardless but theres little interest above initial novelty value for those paying, 'families'/women/minorities as the ecb marketing aims, the ticketing situation is evidence enough of this, along with the enduring popularity of the blast, finals day etc.
But it is about money and control. The ecb failed to own the game and it is the Counties that financially benefitted from it. Somerset is a sell out for every game. Whereas the IPL used the franchise format.
The farcical idea that it is a simple game to understand, it is over more quickly than the T20 with time out periods, it is for women and kids etc is away with the fairies thinking and just not borne out by the facts when you compare the crowds attending both formats. It is about the ecb generating a franchise they own and can monetise for their benefit rather than having to be just the national governing body with the clubs owning the game. And the missed opportunity 20 years earlier.
The potential damage to the Counties, creating a have and have nots with the financial benefit the hundred grounds get, which will filter into all other formats of the game will create further financial gap between those 8 clubs and the rest.
And the devaluing of the County Championship relegated to Spring and Autumn and 50 over game to a 2nd XI competition for the sake of a format not recognised anywhere else in the world. Arguably the only benefit is for the women’s game. However Somerset had been playing Wessex Storm and Somerset T20 matches together on the same day so even that was not an original idea or valid argument.
The nearest hundred side to Somerset is in Cardiff. A 2 1/2 hr trip to see 200 ball in another country, No thanks. Think about dissolving Liverpool and Everton to created the Liverpool Lightenings for a 8 city team based competition outside of the Premiership. For the cricket enthusiast, it is based around supporting your County. The hundred merely divides the same cake into more slices arguably as the grounds remain the same.
Personally I hope it fails and the ecb takes a long hard look at itself. And then applies as much energy supporting a national competition that allows all County sides to take part with their squads in an internationally recognised format, T20, as they have trying to hammer the unwanted square peg in the round hole.
Other views are available though.
ric p said:
theplayingmantis said:
Sorry absolute tosh.
it has (and the original idea had) absolutely nothing to do with the top players playing the top players and improving the standard. Some of the people in the hundred, especially the O/S are very very modest. Its purely financial tool.
If you believe it as a trojan horse into regionalized 4 days cricket of 8 teams playing the best of the best, then maybe, but in no way is it a vehicle for that silly idea either, the uk has 70m people, and a relatively large playing pool despite the decline in kids playing the game... copying australia isn't needed...perhaps copy the ranji trophy...
Its purely a financial tool and is a failure in actual terms, poor ticket sales, free tickets and reduced tickets making it seem popular, bbc losing interest, no other interest in the format overseas. The latest sale of teams/equity or whatever is desperate last throw of the dice. The ecb hoped to flog the format and the teams for far more than is going to happen. the 2 week deadline is simply to force the hand quickly of those against it.
It simply wasn't needed and has messed up the schedule even more.
I do find it amusing that some of those who say its confected also like the ipl!
The blast is a decent standard, international players are not signifcant standout performers as any stats show. your simply wrong!
Proper marketing by the ecb (well any at all...) and a divisional basis would have seen it be a top t20 comp. It popular despite naysayers with most counties selling out the properly scheduled games and huge crowds at the London test grounds, and not all pssd up city boys (guilty). Uk is not a city based society (cricket especially not), and invented non tribal teams hold little appeal. Yes some kids do always want the shirt, i speak from experience having to shell out, regardless but theres little interest above initial novelty value for those paying, 'families'/women/minorities as the ecb marketing aims, the ticketing situation is evidence enough of this, along with the enduring popularity of the blast, finals day etc.
Absolutely what he says. The irony of the hundred was that 20 years ago the ecb invented a new short format game to introduce cricket to a new and younger audience. It was a fantastic success and spawned identical competitions around the world. T20 was its name. it has (and the original idea had) absolutely nothing to do with the top players playing the top players and improving the standard. Some of the people in the hundred, especially the O/S are very very modest. Its purely financial tool.
If you believe it as a trojan horse into regionalized 4 days cricket of 8 teams playing the best of the best, then maybe, but in no way is it a vehicle for that silly idea either, the uk has 70m people, and a relatively large playing pool despite the decline in kids playing the game... copying australia isn't needed...perhaps copy the ranji trophy...
Its purely a financial tool and is a failure in actual terms, poor ticket sales, free tickets and reduced tickets making it seem popular, bbc losing interest, no other interest in the format overseas. The latest sale of teams/equity or whatever is desperate last throw of the dice. The ecb hoped to flog the format and the teams for far more than is going to happen. the 2 week deadline is simply to force the hand quickly of those against it.
It simply wasn't needed and has messed up the schedule even more.
I do find it amusing that some of those who say its confected also like the ipl!
The blast is a decent standard, international players are not signifcant standout performers as any stats show. your simply wrong!
Proper marketing by the ecb (well any at all...) and a divisional basis would have seen it be a top t20 comp. It popular despite naysayers with most counties selling out the properly scheduled games and huge crowds at the London test grounds, and not all pssd up city boys (guilty). Uk is not a city based society (cricket especially not), and invented non tribal teams hold little appeal. Yes some kids do always want the shirt, i speak from experience having to shell out, regardless but theres little interest above initial novelty value for those paying, 'families'/women/minorities as the ecb marketing aims, the ticketing situation is evidence enough of this, along with the enduring popularity of the blast, finals day etc.
But it is about money and control. The ecb failed to own the game and it is the Counties that financially benefitted from it. Somerset is a sell out for every game. Whereas the IPL used the franchise format.
The farcical idea that it is a simple game to understand, it is over more quickly than the T20 with time out periods, it is for women and kids etc is away with the fairies thinking and just not borne out by the facts when you compare the crowds attending both formats. It is about the ecb generating a franchise they own and can monetise for their benefit rather than having to be just the national governing body with the clubs owning the game. And the missed opportunity 20 years earlier.
The potential damage to the Counties, creating a have and have nots with the financial benefit the hundred grounds get, which will filter into all other formats of the game will create further financial gap between those 8 clubs and the rest.
And the devaluing of the County Championship relegated to Spring and Autumn and 50 over game to a 2nd XI competition for the sake of a format not recognised anywhere else in the world. Arguably the only benefit is for the women’s game. However Somerset had been playing Wessex Storm and Somerset T20 matches together on the same day so even that was not an original idea or valid argument.
The nearest hundred side to Somerset is in Cardiff. A 2 1/2 hr trip to see 200 ball in another country, No thanks. Think about dissolving Liverpool and Everton to created the Liverpool Lightenings for a 8 city team based competition outside of the Premiership. For the cricket enthusiast, it is based around supporting your County. The hundred merely divides the same cake into more slices arguably as the grounds remain the same.
Personally I hope it fails and the ecb takes a long hard look at itself. And then applies as much energy supporting a national competition that allows all County sides to take part with their squads in an internationally recognised format, T20, as they have trying to hammer the unwanted square peg in the round hole.
Other views are available though.
Solid bit of village cricket shenanigans coming your way this weekend.
I've launched myself out of retirement after 25 years and am playing again. I was 16 last time I played. Never worn a helmet, never worn spikes.
Hopefully I will get a bowl and take 5/20 and snick off a solid 30-40 runs. Reality is probably more like I'll bowl a solid set of pies, wides and no balls and be out for a golden.
I've launched myself out of retirement after 25 years and am playing again. I was 16 last time I played. Never worn a helmet, never worn spikes.
Hopefully I will get a bowl and take 5/20 and snick off a solid 30-40 runs. Reality is probably more like I'll bowl a solid set of pies, wides and no balls and be out for a golden.
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