Golf Thread 2014 - All Things Golf!

[chrismcg1]

JamesNotJim said:

Loudy McFatass said:

Anyone had a smack of a G30 SF Tec (anti slice) driver yet?

It goes left, really left. I had a play with one and I could barely hit a cut with it. I play a draw 95% of the time and it was making me hit some of the biggest draws I've seen.
I wouldn't call it anti slice, all its does, due to the weighting, is close the face a lot easier. So instead of swiping across the ball with an open face hitting weak spinny fades, it closes the face and you start hitting pull fades instead.
Try one out side by side the normal G30, you'll notice what I mean in only a few hits.

This explains in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3lgnOQ7DU

Very interested in getting one of these but seem only a handful of places have them and still quite pricey at £259 - £279

[airweaz]

Spent this weekends lesson using less and less of my arms to swing and finally cracking the whole "swing from your core" trick. Gained distance within the lesson.

Its a much more upright swing with me now. Instructor wanted to get my swing working right before he corrected where my power comes from. Now im swinging right for my height and build.

[anonymous-user]

Skii said:

Winklehoff - thankyou for taking the time out to illustrate that backswing plane, that is a huge help and really highlights the difference clearly. I'm working hard on better posture and trying to take the club away wide and low - a quick check of my reflection shows a much steeper backswing plane.

great stuff, makes it so much clearer what I have to work on (must film myself more often!)

At this moment, I wouldn't worry about swing plane at all. Your set-up and posture needs correction first, which will in turn affect your swing plane. Id also be a little concerned at you now having a much stronger left hand to cure another problem, as it appears that you cant "set" the wrists correctly as the backswing progresses.

To get the best possible base to be able to produce a consistent swing, sort out the basics first.....grip, set-up and posture.

[DuncanM]

djstevec said:

Skii said:

Winklehoff - thankyou for taking the time out to illustrate that backswing plane, that is a huge help and really highlights the difference clearly. I'm working hard on better posture and trying to take the club away wide and low - a quick check of my reflection shows a much steeper backswing plane.

great stuff, makes it so much clearer what I have to work on (must film myself more often!)

At this moment, I wouldn't worry about swing plane at all. Your set-up and posture needs correction first, which will in turn affect your swing plane. Id also be a little concerned at you now having a much stronger left hand to cure another problem, as it appears that you cant "set" the wrists correctly as the backswing progresses.

To get the best possible base to be able to produce a consistent swing, sort out the basics first.....grip, set-up and posture.

Further to this, I'm concerned with any advice on the web where Nicklaus and Hogan are mentioned in the same breath plane wise! Completely different ways of swinging a club...

[DuncanM]

Had an interesting debate with Mark Crossfield on youtube tonight, I know he has some fans on here (I like him too!).

Have a read of 'Give the student tools' if you're interested

[WinkleHoff]

DuncanM said:

Had an interesting debate with Mark Crossfield on youtube tonight, I know he has some fans on here (I like him too!).

Have a read of 'Give the student tools' if you're interested

Yes, you're quite right that Hogan and Nicklaus had different looking planes, Nicklaus being more upright. Hogan was a short man with quite long arms which always made him look a bit flatter. However, my initial advice is correct, because neither Hogan nor Nicklaus had the club in the position of the the poster at P3, i.e way off the plane line and pointing way past the ball. I didn't say that Hogan and Nicklaus had the same plane, what I said was that they got the club up and on to plane, sorry if that wasn't clear.

Grip and posture are important, but my own (subjective) opinion is that swinging the club up on plane is really important and should be done in conjunction, before you groove a backswing that is wrong (I speak from bitter experience). This is because a consistent backswing requires muscle memory, which is of course gained by repetition. Grip and posture are not quite the same in this regard. The backswing has many more moving parts that all need to be aligned and committed to memory. You can grip the club perfectly and stand perfectly at address, but if you don't get the club on plane you won't get the benefit. Just my two penneth.

The golf swing, and the methods of learning golf, are of course all subjective. I think it's really important to find a really good coach who you can work with over a period of time. The internet can mess with your head. It amazes me how people buy all the latest gear, range finders, power trolley etc but won't invest in lessons, but that's another story!

[ManFromDelmonte]

DuncanM said:

Had an interesting debate with Mark Crossfield on youtube tonight, I know he has some fans on here (I like him too!).

Have a read of 'Give the student tools' if you're interested

Interesting read. I think you have missed that he is not advocating actually doing a "flip", he is simply saying that this golfer should "feel" like he is doing it.

If your bad shots were caused by an actual flip, I'm sure he would advocate a feeling of trying to keep the handle ahead of the ball.

What actually happens at impact is the important thing. That is how I understood it anyway.

[kentlad]

On an equipment related note - has anyone come across this bag before?

http://www.thegolfshoponline.co.uk/ogio/bags/silen...


Pretty pricey for a golf bag. I own an Ogio cart bag & have done for 3 years, its starting to wear out a little, which considering the abuse I've given it, is quite impressive. I'm intrigued by the silencer part of the bag...if it really does stop clubs banging together, then why hasn't it been done before? Such a better way to protect your irons (if it works) than those clumsy iron head covers!

[Rosscow]

Is the noise that bothers you, or the fact that the clubs knock together?

BigMax do a similar cart bag:

http://bigmaxgolf.com/en/products/golf-bags/cart-b...

Personally I don't really mind the clubs knocking together and can't stand the thought of playing with head covers on my irons, just too much of a hassle.

[DuncanM]

WinkleHoff said:

DuncanM said:

Had an interesting debate with Mark Crossfield on youtube tonight, I know he has some fans on here (I like him too!).

Have a read of 'Give the student tools' if you're interested

Yes, you're quite right that Hogan and Nicklaus had different looking planes, Nicklaus being more upright. Hogan was a short man with quite long arms which always made him look a bit flatter. However, my initial advice is correct, because neither Hogan nor Nicklaus had the club in the position of the the poster at P3, i.e way off the plane line and pointing way past the ball. I didn't say that Hogan and Nicklaus had the same plane, what I said was that they got the club up and on to plane, sorry if that wasn't clear.

Grip and posture are important, but my own (subjective) opinion is that swinging the club up on plane is really important and should be done in conjunction, before you groove a backswing that is wrong (I speak from bitter experience). This is because a consistent backswing requires muscle memory, which is of course gained by repetition. Grip and posture are not quite the same in this regard. The backswing has many more moving parts that all need to be aligned and committed to memory. You can grip the club perfectly and stand perfectly at address, but if you don't get the club on plane you won't get the benefit. Just my two penneth.

The golf swing, and the methods of learning golf, are of course all subjective. I think it's really important to find a really good coach who you can work with over a period of time. The internet can mess with your head. It amazes me how people buy all the latest gear, range finders, power trolley etc but won't invest in lessons, but that's another story!

Agree 100% with that, sorry about my rushed post yesterday

Yes, lessons lessons lessons - rather than new drivers and irons etc.

[kentlad]

Rosscow said:

Is the noise that bothers you, or the fact that the clubs knock together?

BigMax do a similar cart bag:

http://bigmaxgolf.com/en/products/golf-bags/cart-b...

Personally I don't really mind the clubs knocking together and can't stand the thought of playing with head covers on my irons, just too much of a hassle.

It's more the damage caused by them knocking together than the noise. Once i get to single figures / cat 1 I'm treating myself to a nice set of blades - Titleist MB's or possibly mizunos...haven't decided yet & want to keep them as pristine as possible.

RE Iron covers...I'm the same, can't stand them, think they look ridiculous and are a lot of hassle!

[DuncanM]

ManFromDelmonte said:

DuncanM said:

Had an interesting debate with Mark Crossfield on youtube tonight, I know he has some fans on here (I like him too!).

Have a read of 'Give the student tools' if you're interested

Interesting read. I think you have missed that he is not advocating actually doing a "flip", he is simply saying that this golfer should "feel" like he is doing it.

If your bad shots were caused by an actual flip, I'm sure he would advocate a feeling of trying to keep the handle ahead of the ball.

What actually happens at impact is the important thing. That is how I understood it anyway.

'tt

Hmmm, the hands/wrists shouldn't be doing anything in the downswing imo, they should be lagging the clubhead, not trying to square it at the ball.

I like Mark's stuff, just don't agree with compensations being added to a swing.

[anonymous-user]

WinkleHoff said:

DuncanM said:

Had an interesting debate with Mark Crossfield on youtube tonight, I know he has some fans on here (I like him too!).

Have a read of 'Give the student tools' if you're interested

Yes, you're quite right that Hogan and Nicklaus had different looking planes, Nicklaus being more upright. Hogan was a short man with quite long arms which always made him look a bit flatter. However, my initial advice is correct, because neither Hogan nor Nicklaus had the club in the position of the the poster at P3, i.e way off the plane line and pointing way past the ball. I didn't say that Hogan and Nicklaus had the same plane, what I said was that they got the club up and on to plane, sorry if that wasn't clear.

Grip and posture are important, but my own (subjective) opinion is that swinging the club up on plane is really important and should be done in conjunction, before you groove a backswing that is wrong (I speak from bitter experience). This is because a consistent backswing requires muscle memory, which is of course gained by repetition. Grip and posture are not quite the same in this regard. The backswing has many more moving parts that all need to be aligned and committed to memory. You can grip the club perfectly and stand perfectly at address, but if you don't get the club on plane you won't get the benefit. Just my two penneth.

The golf swing, and the methods of learning golf, are of course all subjective. I think it's really important to find a really good coach who you can work with over a period of time. The internet can mess with your head. It amazes me how people buy all the latest gear, range finders, power trolley etc but won't invest in lessons, but that's another story!

Not disagreeing with the main thrust of your reply, but Jim Furyk and Eamon Darcy spring to mind when talking swing planes!!

I would really look to correct the grip and posture first, any changes made there will feed into the swing plane, so trying to change the swing plane now and then changing grip, posture and set-up, will alter the swing plane again requiring further corrections. Just seems a bit backwards to try and get an on-plane back-swing when there are more fundamental issues causing (at least) part of the swing plane problem in the first place.

[Rosscow]

kentlad said:

Rosscow said:

Is the noise that bothers you, or the fact that the clubs knock together?

BigMax do a similar cart bag:

http://bigmaxgolf.com/en/products/golf-bags/cart-b...

Personally I don't really mind the clubs knocking together and can't stand the thought of playing with head covers on my irons, just too much of a hassle.

It's more the damage caused by them knocking together than the noise. Once i get to single figures / cat 1 I'm treating myself to a nice set of blades - Titleist MB's or possibly mizunos...haven't decided yet & want to keep them as pristine as possible.

RE Iron covers...I'm the same, can't stand them, think they look ridiculous and are a lot of hassle!

You see, that really doesn't bother me. You use these things to hit hard balls, in dirt, sand, rain, etc.

Also, you'll probably fancy some new ones after 3 or 4 years!

[cheddar]

kentlad said:

On an equipment related note - has anyone come across this bag before?

http://www.thegolfshoponline.co.uk/ogio/bags/silen...


Pretty pricey for a golf bag. I own an Ogio cart bag & have done for 3 years, its starting to wear out a little, which considering the abuse I've given it, is quite impressive. I'm intrigued by the silencer part of the bag...if it really does stop clubs banging together, then why hasn't it been done before? Such a better way to protect your irons (if it works) than those clumsy iron head covers!

I love these and want one but they are pricey - check the youtube clips to see the demo's - why aren't all bags like this?

[DuncanM]

Rosscow said:

kentlad said:

Rosscow said:

Is the noise that bothers you, or the fact that the clubs knock together?

BigMax do a similar cart bag:

http://bigmaxgolf.com/en/products/golf-bags/cart-b...

Personally I don't really mind the clubs knocking together and can't stand the thought of playing with head covers on my irons, just too much of a hassle.

It's more the damage caused by them knocking together than the noise. Once i get to single figures / cat 1 I'm treating myself to a nice set of blades - Titleist MB's or possibly mizunos...haven't decided yet & want to keep them as pristine as possible.

RE Iron covers...I'm the same, can't stand them, think they look ridiculous and are a lot of hassle!

You see, that really doesn't bother me. You use these things to hit hard balls, in dirt, sand, rain, etc.

Also, you'll probably fancy some new ones after 3 or 4 years!

As sexy as new clubs are, nothing wrong with a nice nicked up.set of blades imo

[kentlad]

Rosscow said:

You see, that really doesn't bother me. You use these things to hit hard balls, in dirt, sand, rain, etc.

Also, you'll probably fancy some new ones after 3 or 4 years!

True, I'm a bit of a tart! Clean my clubs on a regular basis...the joys of OCD

[Rosscow]

DuncanM said:

Rosscow said:

kentlad said:

Rosscow said:

Is the noise that bothers you, or the fact that the clubs knock together?

BigMax do a similar cart bag:

http://bigmaxgolf.com/en/products/golf-bags/cart-b...

Personally I don't really mind the clubs knocking together and can't stand the thought of playing with head covers on my irons, just too much of a hassle.

It's more the damage caused by them knocking together than the noise. Once i get to single figures / cat 1 I'm treating myself to a nice set of blades - Titleist MB's or possibly mizunos...haven't decided yet & want to keep them as pristine as possible.

RE Iron covers...I'm the same, can't stand them, think they look ridiculous and are a lot of hassle!

You see, that really doesn't bother me. You use these things to hit hard balls, in dirt, sand, rain, etc.

Also, you'll probably fancy some new ones after 3 or 4 years!

As sexy as new clubs are, nothing wrong with a nice nicked up.set of blades imo

I agree!

[DuncanM]

kentlad said:

True, I'm a bit of a tart! Clean my clubs on a regular basis...the joys of OCD

Just don't buy forged blades unless you're willing to see them dented up, because they WILL get dented up

[Abbott]

kentlad said:

True, I'm a bit of a tart! Clean my clubs on a regular basis...the joys of OCD

That should be CDO, it is the same as OCD but the letters are in the correct order!