Golf Thread 2014 - All Things Golf!
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JamesNotJim said:
If you hit a Project X shaft and then hit a Nippon shaft you would be able to tell the difference within a few shots.
The shaft is the engine of the club, get the engine right and it matters very little what head you use.
I started the game with Callaway Uniflex shafts, with a well hit shot a PW would go 155yrds. Which is frankly ridiculous, but bad shots went all over the place. I then moved onto Stiff shafts, distance came down but dispersion was still poor. I have finally moved onto X stiff shaft this year. Distance is up (Non cranked lofts Ping S55) and dispersion is about as good as it gets for a club golfer.
If your going to get anything fitted, make it the shafts!
Interesting stuff James, what SS do you have for X Stiff? And what shafts are they please?The shaft is the engine of the club, get the engine right and it matters very little what head you use.
I started the game with Callaway Uniflex shafts, with a well hit shot a PW would go 155yrds. Which is frankly ridiculous, but bad shots went all over the place. I then moved onto Stiff shafts, distance came down but dispersion was still poor. I have finally moved onto X stiff shaft this year. Distance is up (Non cranked lofts Ping S55) and dispersion is about as good as it gets for a club golfer.
If your going to get anything fitted, make it the shafts!
I've been using TTDG S300 for years now and they are a nice weight and flex for me I think. I hate the feel of the lighter shafts, which seems to be the trend.
JamesNotJim said:
Cbull said:
SpeckledJim said:
Shaft technology is much more important that club heads.
Really? I've seen a few you tube videos talk about shafts. According to them pro’s shafts barely make any difference, especially for non pro’s plus the consideration of price. Even to the extend between Stiff and Flex, I seen a recent video showing a good golfer swinging 3 shots with each and the results shown the Flex gaining 4 yards.Personally I have no idea and just go from what they say. What difference would a £30 shaft and £300 shaft do?
The shaft is the engine of the club, get the engine right and it matters very little what head you use.
I started the game with Callaway Uniflex shafts, with a well hit shot a PW would go 155yrds. Which is frankly ridiculous, but bad shots went all over the place. I then moved onto Stiff shafts, distance came down but dispersion was still poor. I have finally moved onto X stiff shaft this year. Distance is up (Non cranked lofts Ping S55) and dispersion is about as good as it gets for a club golfer.
If your going to get anything fitted, make it the shafts!
GG89 said:
JamesNotJim said:
Cbull said:
SpeckledJim said:
Shaft technology is much more important that club heads.
Really? I've seen a few you tube videos talk about shafts. According to them pro’s shafts barely make any difference, especially for non pro’s plus the consideration of price. Even to the extend between Stiff and Flex, I seen a recent video showing a good golfer swinging 3 shots with each and the results shown the Flex gaining 4 yards.Personally I have no idea and just go from what they say. What difference would a £30 shaft and £300 shaft do?
The shaft is the engine of the club, get the engine right and it matters very little what head you use.
I started the game with Callaway Uniflex shafts, with a well hit shot a PW would go 155yrds. Which is frankly ridiculous, but bad shots went all over the place. I then moved onto Stiff shafts, distance came down but dispersion was still poor. I have finally moved onto X stiff shaft this year. Distance is up (Non cranked lofts Ping S55) and dispersion is about as good as it gets for a club golfer.
If your going to get anything fitted, make it the shafts!
DuncanM said:
Interesting stuff James, what SS do you have for X Stiff? And what shafts are they please?
I've been using TTDG S300 for years now and they are a nice weight and flex for me I think. I hate the feel of the lighter shafts, which seems to be the trend.
It was 93mph with the 6 iron during the fitting. Not the fastest but I load the shaft quite aggressively late in the swing. I've been using TTDG S300 for years now and they are a nice weight and flex for me I think. I hate the feel of the lighter shafts, which seems to be the trend.
This was the second time I was fitted this year, I went down to Titleist in January and got fitted for a set of 714 MB's with PX 6.0 in them. A very stout shaft even for me. Was just "too much" for me. Did the whole fitting thing about 3 months later at Ping and came out with S55's fitted with CFS X stiff. Gave the best numbers and feel, even over S300 which I have gamed and loved for years..
JamesNotJim said:
DuncanM said:
Interesting stuff James, what SS do you have for X Stiff? And what shafts are they please?
I've been using TTDG S300 for years now and they are a nice weight and flex for me I think. I hate the feel of the lighter shafts, which seems to be the trend.
It was 93mph with the 6 iron during the fitting. Not the fastest but I load the shaft quite aggressively late in the swing. I've been using TTDG S300 for years now and they are a nice weight and flex for me I think. I hate the feel of the lighter shafts, which seems to be the trend.
This was the second time I was fitted this year, I went down to Titleist in January and got fitted for a set of 714 MB's with PX 6.0 in them. A very stout shaft even for me. Was just "too much" for me. Did the whole fitting thing about 3 months later at Ping and came out with S55's fitted with CFS X stiff. Gave the best numbers and feel, even over S300 which I have gamed and loved for years..
JamesNotJim said:
If you hit a Project X shaft and then hit a Nippon shaft you would be able to tell the difference within a few shots.
The shaft is the engine of the club, get the engine right and it matters very little what head you use.
I started the game with Callaway Uniflex shafts, with a well hit shot a PW would go 155yrds. Which is frankly ridiculous, but bad shots went all over the place. I then moved onto Stiff shafts, distance came down but dispersion was still poor. I have finally moved onto X stiff shaft this year. Distance is up (Non cranked lofts Ping S55) and dispersion is about as good as it gets for a club golfer.
If your going to get anything fitted, make it the shafts!
I've got to disagree to a certain extent. Loft & lie angles will make the most difference to your 'average' club golfer IMO...But having said that, of course you'll be able to tell the difference between a £300 shaft and a £30 shaft, as the difference in 'build' or 'material' quality should be quite evident. The shaft is the engine of the club, get the engine right and it matters very little what head you use.
I started the game with Callaway Uniflex shafts, with a well hit shot a PW would go 155yrds. Which is frankly ridiculous, but bad shots went all over the place. I then moved onto Stiff shafts, distance came down but dispersion was still poor. I have finally moved onto X stiff shaft this year. Distance is up (Non cranked lofts Ping S55) and dispersion is about as good as it gets for a club golfer.
If your going to get anything fitted, make it the shafts!
kentlad said:
I've got to disagree to a certain extent. Loft & lie angles will make the most difference to your 'average' club golfer IMO…But having said that, of course you'll be able to tell the difference between a £300 shaft and a £30 shaft, as the difference in 'build' or 'material' quality should be quite evident.
Lie angle, I completely agree. If you get lie angle and the shaft right it's a much easier game.
JamesNotJim said:
DuncanM said:
Interesting stuff James, what SS do you have for X Stiff? And what shafts are they please?
I've been using TTDG S300 for years now and they are a nice weight and flex for me I think. I hate the feel of the lighter shafts, which seems to be the trend.
It was 93mph with the 6 iron during the fitting. Not the fastest but I load the shaft quite aggressively late in the swing. I've been using TTDG S300 for years now and they are a nice weight and flex for me I think. I hate the feel of the lighter shafts, which seems to be the trend.
This was the second time I was fitted this year, I went down to Titleist in January and got fitted for a set of 714 MB's with PX 6.0 in them. A very stout shaft even for me. Was just "too much" for me. Did the whole fitting thing about 3 months later at Ping and came out with S55's fitted with CFS X stiff. Gave the best numbers and feel, even over S300 which I have gamed and loved for years..
It's not so much that one shaft has inherently superior qualities to another, it's that one shaft will inherently 'suit you' better than another.
You can have a great swing with the wrong shaft, and you won't get the results the swing deserves.
The difficulty is finding which shaft is the right one, and just going for a random expensive one might well be a move in the wrong direction.
You can have a great swing with the wrong shaft, and you won't get the results the swing deserves.
The difficulty is finding which shaft is the right one, and just going for a random expensive one might well be a move in the wrong direction.
Rosscow said:
I'm gaming the CFS's in Stiff on my i25's
Lovely clubs Rosscow, I tried them at the fitting but just fell in love with the S55's. (I've gamed Ping S57's for two years previous my fitting's)I'm a real ping fan. Ping G25 driver, Ping i20 5 wood, 3-PW S55's and a ping Karsten TR putter. The only think I dislike is the gorge wedges.
So true Speckledjim.
I don't think people, unless they have been fitted, realise just how much the shaft changes how the club plays and feels.
Re the Nike Vapors, I can't wait to hit them, should have a sample set to hit when I get back from my hols mid September.
Been using Nike irons for 7 years now, on my 3rd set of Pro combos, if the Vapors are nice I'll probably get the blades wedge to 6 iron then combo 5-3. Am still waiting to hear back whether I can get a set if the MMproto heads that preceded that Vapors.
12 out of 14 clubs in my bag are Nike now, only Putter and 3 wood aren't.
Agree that getting the right shaft is probably more important than head these days, this is the first set I've ever use that isn't DG, now on PX 6.5 in 3-PW and 6.0 in SW and LW.
Speeeeling edit
Been using Nike irons for 7 years now, on my 3rd set of Pro combos, if the Vapors are nice I'll probably get the blades wedge to 6 iron then combo 5-3. Am still waiting to hear back whether I can get a set if the MMproto heads that preceded that Vapors.
12 out of 14 clubs in my bag are Nike now, only Putter and 3 wood aren't.
Agree that getting the right shaft is probably more important than head these days, this is the first set I've ever use that isn't DG, now on PX 6.5 in 3-PW and 6.0 in SW and LW.
Speeeeling edit
Edited by dxbtiger on Thursday 21st August 19:03
dxbtiger said:
Re the Nike Vapors, I can't wait to hit them, should have a sample set to hit when I get back from my hols mid September.
Been using Nike irons for 7 years now, on my 3rd set of Pro combos, if the Vapors are nice I'll probably get the blades wedge to 6 iron then combo 5-3. Am still waiting to hear back whether I can get a set if the MMproto heads that preceded that Vapors.
12 out of 14 clubs in my bag are Nike now, only Putter and 3 wood aren't.
Agree that getting the right shaft is probably more important than head these days, this is the first set I've ever use that isn't DG, now on PX 6.5 in 3-PW and 6.0 in SW and LW.
Speeeeling edit
The MMproto became the Vapor irons. The Proto's are the Tour version, they launched 40 set ONLY for public sale. They sold very quickly.Been using Nike irons for 7 years now, on my 3rd set of Pro combos, if the Vapors are nice I'll probably get the blades wedge to 6 iron then combo 5-3. Am still waiting to hear back whether I can get a set if the MMproto heads that preceded that Vapors.
12 out of 14 clubs in my bag are Nike now, only Putter and 3 wood aren't.
Agree that getting the right shaft is probably more important than head these days, this is the first set I've ever use that isn't DG, now on PX 6.5 in 3-PW and 6.0 in SW and LW.
Speeeeling edit
Edited by dxbtiger on Thursday 21st August 19:03
You must be a beast if you can swing PX 6.5 (flighted or normal?). Whats your handicap?
JamesNotJim said:
The MMproto became the Vapor irons. The Proto's are the Tour version, they launched 40 set ONLY for public sale. They sold very quickly.
You must be a beast if you can swing PX 6.5 (flighted or normal?). Whats your handicap?
Non flighted.You must be a beast if you can swing PX 6.5 (flighted or normal?). Whats your handicap?
They still have MMprotos at the Oven, not the numbered sets, long shot but my scratch team partner is the Nike rep for the Middle East so we've asked the question.
Current index is 1.2, we use the stupid American system though so I don't pay it any attention unless it's Stableford!
dxbtiger said:
Non flighted.
They still have MMprotos at the Oven, not the numbered sets, long shot but my scratch team partner is the Nike rep for the Middle East so we've asked the question.
Current index is 1.2, we use the stupid American system though so I don't pay it any attention unless it's Stableford!
Impressive. You must have a serious hit on you. That is tour level stiffness. They still have MMprotos at the Oven, not the numbered sets, long shot but my scratch team partner is the Nike rep for the Middle East so we've asked the question.
Current index is 1.2, we use the stupid American system though so I don't pay it any attention unless it's Stableford!
dxbtiger said:
Re the Nike Vapors, I can't wait to hit them, should have a sample set to hit when I get back from my hols mid September.
Been using Nike irons for 7 years now, on my 3rd set of Pro combos, if the Vapors are nice I'll probably get the blades wedge to 6 iron then combo 5-3. Am still waiting to hear back whether I can get a set if the MMproto heads that preceded that Vapors.
12 out of 14 clubs in my bag are Nike now, only Putter and 3 wood aren't.
Agree that getting the right shaft is probably more important than head these days, this is the first set I've ever use that isn't DG, now on PX 6.5 in 3-PW and 6.0 in SW and LW.
Speeeeling edit
I'll be interested to see how you get on with these. I've had a set of the Original Blades for about 10 years now, they suit my game down to the ground, if a little short (lofts seem 1 club below most irons, so my 7 iron has the same loft as most people's 8), but I can't help wonder if things have moved on a bit. Been using Nike irons for 7 years now, on my 3rd set of Pro combos, if the Vapors are nice I'll probably get the blades wedge to 6 iron then combo 5-3. Am still waiting to hear back whether I can get a set if the MMproto heads that preceded that Vapors.
12 out of 14 clubs in my bag are Nike now, only Putter and 3 wood aren't.
Agree that getting the right shaft is probably more important than head these days, this is the first set I've ever use that isn't DG, now on PX 6.5 in 3-PW and 6.0 in SW and LW.
Speeeeling edit
Edited by dxbtiger on Thursday 21st August 19:03
Not sure I could cope with the 6.5 shafts though! I had one in a Titleist 975D (Rifle Shaft), and that was fairly strong. Currently using S400's, but am going to look at something stiffer when I finally upgrade.
bodhi said:
I'll be interested to see how you get on with these. I've had a set of the Original Blades for about 10 years now, they suit my game down to the ground, if a little short (lofts seem 1 club below most irons, so my 7 iron has the same loft as most people's 8), but I can't help wonder if things have moved on a bit.
Not sure I could cope with the 6.5 shafts though! I had one in a Titleist 975D (Rifle Shaft), and that was fairly strong. Currently using S400's, but am going to look at something stiffer when I finally upgrade.
I presume your not a low handicap ( just because most people arent sorry if im wrong ) Not sure I could cope with the 6.5 shafts though! I had one in a Titleist 975D (Rifle Shaft), and that was fairly strong. Currently using S400's, but am going to look at something stiffer when I finally upgrade.
Why would you want blades ? The game is hard enough as it is why not make things easier for yourself and smack some cavity backs
All this shaft talk makes me laugh. Yes they make a difference but just use what feels right for you.
Most people will be just fine with standard clubs and shafts unless you have a real slow like a lot of ladies or you swing like a crazed mad man on speed.
People would do a lot better if they worried more about how to play the game rather than walk about with the latest club / shaft etc
Every club has at least 1 bloke with all the latest gear and does 4 air shots each round = w
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Most people will be just fine with standard clubs and shafts unless you have a real slow like a lot of ladies or you swing like a crazed mad man on speed.
People would do a lot better if they worried more about how to play the game rather than walk about with the latest club / shaft etc
Every club has at least 1 bloke with all the latest gear and does 4 air shots each round = w
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