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Bit of friendly ribbing is all. No drama. It has existed as long as I can remember but I will still stand next to the "old enemy" supporters and shout "well played" when we lose and take the return fire with grace and still buy you a beer at the boozer after the match.
If I can ever get to the bar.
If I can ever get to the bar.
irocfan said:
quite frankly at this point I don't really care who wins - as long as they play good rugby
Wot e said.Tam_Mullen said:
Tonker you can't spout the 'bigoted Scotland fan and ABE' quote after two seperate posters have also said they support anyone but us.
Really there are extreme anti-supporters against every country within every country, as has been pointed out England aren't exactly popular in the eyes of the Welsh, Irish and us Scots (blame the media for that!) or even the French.
Not my experience. I think the Welsh and the Irish look forward to matches against England at Twickenham for all the right reasons. Their fans are hardly anti. Their papers might be, the websites might be, but the fans? nah. Some are obnoxious, which is true of all fans, whatever the nationality, but the overwhelming majority are there for rugby.Really there are extreme anti-supporters against every country within every country, as has been pointed out England aren't exactly popular in the eyes of the Welsh, Irish and us Scots (blame the media for that!) or even the French.
Tam_Mullen said:
Not using a quote cause I'm on the s
t mobile site but,
Tonker you can't spout the 'bigoted Scotland fan and ABE' quote after two seperate posters have also said they support anyone but us.
Really there are extreme anti-supporters against every country within every country, as has been pointed out England aren't exactly popular in the eyes of the Welsh, Irish and us Scots (blame the media for that!) or even the French.
Utter rubbish. t mobile site but, Tonker you can't spout the 'bigoted Scotland fan and ABE' quote after two seperate posters have also said they support anyone but us.
Really there are extreme anti-supporters against every country within every country, as has been pointed out England aren't exactly popular in the eyes of the Welsh, Irish and us Scots (blame the media for that!) or even the French.
For the Welsh it is part of the fun and gamesmanship.
The amount of England v Wales I've been to nothing has ever been more than friendly banter. That is all its given and that goes both ways.
Welshbeef said:
Utter rubbish.
For the Welsh it is part of the fun and gamesmanship.
The amount of England v Wales I've been to nothing has ever been more than friendly banter. That is all its given and that goes both ways.
A Welsh chap got up at a pre match dinner and had a few little digs about the forthcoming England/Wales match the following day. I chatted to him after the dinner, in a group of half a dozen or so, and said that if Wales did well, it would help build the confidence of the other emerging nations. He kept laughing, had trouble stopping, and bought me a drink. For the Welsh it is part of the fun and gamesmanship.
The amount of England v Wales I've been to nothing has ever been more than friendly banter. That is all its given and that goes both ways.
Joey Ramone said:
bks. Wales beat a young, inexperienced and st England team suffering from hugely divisive selection issues, a non-captain and a malfunctioning senior leadership team. Hooray, pat yourselves on the back. Want to gob off about our record in the world cup? One it once, twice finalists, once semi-finalists, twice quarter finalists. Beat that, then gloat. And if you win this one, I'll be the first to congratulate any Welshman or Welsh-woman for it. 6 nations are great, but unless it's got the big three SH nations in it, then it doesn't really count.
ks. Wales beat a young, inexperienced and st England team suffering from hugely divisive selection issues, a non-captain and a malfunctioning senior leadership team. Hooray, pat yourselves on the back. Want to gob off about our record in the world cup? One it once, twice finalists, once semi-finalists, twice quarter finalists. Beat that, then gloat. And if you win this one, I'll be the first to congratulate any Welshman or Welsh-woman for it. 6 nations are great, but unless it's got the big three SH nations in it, then it doesn't really count.
You have seen the calibre of players Wales were missing haven't you?
I'll go out on a limb and make another (correct) prediction. Wales won't win the World Cup, the reason being the Injuries. You add Rhys Webb, Scott Williams, Jonathan Davies, Eli Walker, Hallam Amos, Cory Allen & Leigh Halfpenny to the existing squad and we stand a chance against anyone. You could argue that were the Lion's playing a test match tomorrow, 3 or 4 of these players would be starting.
Our back line should be:
9: Webb
10: Biggar
11: Liam Williams
12: Jamie Roberts / Scott Williams
13: Jonathan Davies
14: North
15: Halfpenny
I'd back that back line against anyone in the world to be honest, but instead we have to play mongs like Cuthbert or play a scrum half on the wing
Tuvra said:
You have seen the calibre of players Wales were missing haven't you?
I'll go out on a limb and make another (correct) prediction. Wales won't win the World Cup, the reason being the Injuries. You add Rhys Webb, Scott Williams, Jonathan Davies, Eli Walker, Hallam Amos, Cory Allen & Leigh Halfpenny to the existing squad and we stand a chance against anyone. You could argue that were the Lion's playing a test match tomorrow, 3 or 4 of these players would be starting.
Our back line should be:
9: Webb
10: Biggar
11: Liam Williams
12: Jamie Roberts / Scott Williams
13: Jonathan Davies
14: North
15: Halfpenny
I'd back that back line against anyone in the world to be honest, but instead we have to play mongs like Cuthbert or play a scrum half on the wing
Derek Smith said:
It has always been a problem for Wales, this lack of strength in depth. It has an effect in the 6N so bring in the RWC with big sides to face and injuries will take their toll. Can't see any way around it. Playing players out of position is just a symptom of the problem.
England too now seem bereft of talent in depth. ...Derek Smith said:
It has always been a problem for Wales, this lack of strength in depth. It has an effect in the 6N so bring in the RWC with big sides to face and injuries will take their toll. Can't see any way around it. Playing players out of position is just a symptom of the problem.
No team went to the world cup missing as many key players as us. On top of that, we have lost replacements for the replacements. I mean just look at the 13 situation, Foxy injured, Scott Williams comes in - injured, Cory Allen comes in - injured, no country in the world has 3 top class 13's, you could argue that we lost 2.If we had an injured 10 we could basically name an injured back line that is capable of beating the likes of Scotland et al (thats no disrespect to Scotland - I think our injured back line would look great), to claim that this is normal is nonsense IMO. Wales have had absolutely terrible luck
Derek Smith said:
Digger said:
I haven't watched all 80mins of all the matches, but is it my imagination, or is "crossing" now just accepted as part of the game. There seems to be "crossing" on almost every single backs move.
Watching one match with my son, we counted the number of times crossing would have been penalised at 'our' level. I wouldn't say every backs move, but I got the feeling that much of it was deliberate.
And to those who posted that the rugby has been great and that cheering defeats is not rugby: keep pushing for good sense.
So far this has been the best RWC I can remember. It is just a game. Enjoy it when you play or watch and don't give in to the temptation of nationalistic idiocy. In any case, there's not one team that's made up of a single nationality.
Also heard Dallaglio bemoaning England's lack of 'blockers' at a couple of rucks. They would be the cheats-standing-around-way-in-front-of-the-back-foot and penalised for being offside at club level then...
London424 said:
What's the obsession with the rankings? Who cares, they are pretty meaningless, same as the football ones.
IIRC they're precisely what led to the group of death in the first place. In the 2011 WC, we lost to France in the semis (in the infamous Warburton red card game), then lost to Oz in the meaningless 3rd/4th place play off and those defeats combined with the fact that RWC games count double dropped us to an artificially low position just in time for the draw for this RWC.London424 said:
Welshbeef said:
IRB rankings due out within the next hour or so.
Where do you think England will slip ? I wonder if they will drop to 8th or worse.
What's the obsession with the rankings? Who cares, they are pretty meaningless, same as the football ones. Where do you think England will slip ? I wonder if they will drop to 8th or worse.
Let me guess your English? I suppose if you've been 1st once then yea who cares if another team is now the highest they have ever been ranked. To lots of people KPI's mean a lot and indicates your doing the right things. England are not.
TheGreatSoprendo said:
London424 said:
What's the obsession with the rankings? Who cares, they are pretty meaningless, same as the football ones.
IIRC they're precisely what led to the group of death in the first place. In the 2011 WC, we lost to France in the semis (in the infamous Warburton red card game), then lost to Oz in the meaningless 3rd/4th place play off and those defeats combined with the fact that RWC games count double dropped us to an artificially low position just in time for the draw for this RWC.Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff