Discussion
Joey Ramone said:
Yep, as an England fan I'm concerned.
in total agreement - I'm thinking that bomber has been promoted to a level exceeding his ability 
faz really isn't one to make the backs work (how the f
k he got that I have no idea ) and I only hope that we are all proved wrong...rb26 said:
I'm sure Wales will pull through. I'd be more concerned if I was an England fan at the moment, as their set piece is shocking. I'm certainly looking forward to the group A fixtures as a neutral by-stander! 
England's set piece isn't shocking. Second string and a rusty first string had a beasting but it was only one (pre-season) game you don't become a ste scrummaging unit over night. As well as being rusty the intensity wasn't there, and for the nailed on guys you've got to wonder how much not wanting to pick up a knock plays on their minds in games like these. In Hartley we've lost a very accurate line out throwing and scrummaging prop and neither are his replacements strong suit. Was away at the weekend so haven't seen the Wales game yet. Don't think we can read too much in to it and still the same IMO in that Eng, Aus, and Wales are all capable of beating each other. Wales now ranked ahead of England with the Ireland win which is interesting given where they were when the pools were drawn leading to the group of death.
Home win against Ireland is important for morale. We're gona get a first look at JJ and Barritt.
Can we stop this Faz st please? Just because he isn't Ford or Danny and doesn't get the backs dancing like they are Welsh.
The English backs are not going to win the WC for England. They aren't now, they never have and they never will. The only thing that matters is how well the Pack plays, England lives and dies on that and that alone. The Pack plays properly and the back line will get the chance to do something. The Pack plays poorly and its game over.
World Cups aren't about entertaining flash harry stuff, they are about defence. NZ cut teams apart because their set piece is solid, they dont really lose their own ball and they monster the breakdown and ruck area to either steal ball or put pressure on opposing ball. Its then either lost, they have turn over ball with a misaligned defence ahead or the opposition kicks the ball away to clear their area and NZ get to counter strike. Their "fancy' rugby all stems from their Pack.
t please? Just because he isn't Ford or Danny and doesn't get the backs dancing like they are Welsh.The English backs are not going to win the WC for England. They aren't now, they never have and they never will. The only thing that matters is how well the Pack plays, England lives and dies on that and that alone. The Pack plays properly and the back line will get the chance to do something. The Pack plays poorly and its game over.
World Cups aren't about entertaining flash harry stuff, they are about defence. NZ cut teams apart because their set piece is solid, they dont really lose their own ball and they monster the breakdown and ruck area to either steal ball or put pressure on opposing ball. Its then either lost, they have turn over ball with a misaligned defence ahead or the opposition kicks the ball away to clear their area and NZ get to counter strike. Their "fancy' rugby all stems from their Pack.
DJRC said:
Can we stop this Faz st please? Just because he isn't Ford or Danny and doesn't get the backs dancing like they are Welsh.
The English backs are not going to win the WC for England. They aren't now, they never have and they never will. The only thing that matters is how well the Pack plays, England lives and dies on that and that alone. The Pack plays properly and the back line will get the chance to do something. The Pack plays poorly and its game over.
World Cups aren't about entertaining flash harry stuff, they are about defence. NZ cut teams apart because their set piece is solid, they dont really lose their own ball and they monster the breakdown and ruck area to either steal ball or put pressure on opposing ball. Its then either lost, they have turn over ball with a misaligned defence ahead or the opposition kicks the ball away to clear their area and NZ get to counter strike. Their "fancy' rugby all stems from their Pack.
yes and no - there has to be some creativity outside the F8 otherwise we'll still get stuffed. Look at Oz for example, frequently monstered up front but they still sneak matches because of their backs. Generally speaking my dreamteam would be an England pack and an Australian backline. That being said though look at the yarpees - some serious muscle up-front and now some decent creativity behind makes them better than just the 'traditional' way they (and us) used to try and just go for a 10 man gamet please? Just because he isn't Ford or Danny and doesn't get the backs dancing like they are Welsh.The English backs are not going to win the WC for England. They aren't now, they never have and they never will. The only thing that matters is how well the Pack plays, England lives and dies on that and that alone. The Pack plays properly and the back line will get the chance to do something. The Pack plays poorly and its game over.
World Cups aren't about entertaining flash harry stuff, they are about defence. NZ cut teams apart because their set piece is solid, they dont really lose their own ball and they monster the breakdown and ruck area to either steal ball or put pressure on opposing ball. Its then either lost, they have turn over ball with a misaligned defence ahead or the opposition kicks the ball away to clear their area and NZ get to counter strike. Their "fancy' rugby all stems from their Pack.
DJRC said:
Can we stop this Faz st please? Just because he isn't Ford or Danny and doesn't get the backs dancing like they are Welsh.
The English backs are not going to win the WC for England. They aren't now, they never have and they never will. The only thing that matters is how well the Pack plays, England lives and dies on that and that alone. The Pack plays properly and the back line will get the chance to do something. The Pack plays poorly and its game over.
World Cups aren't about entertaining flash harry stuff, they are about defence. NZ cut teams apart because their set piece is solid, they dont really lose their own ball and they monster the breakdown and ruck area to either steal ball or put pressure on opposing ball. Its then either lost, they have turn over ball with a misaligned defence ahead or the opposition kicks the ball away to clear their area and NZ get to counter strike. Their "fancy' rugby all stems from their Pack.
Thank god someone else sees it too.t please? Just because he isn't Ford or Danny and doesn't get the backs dancing like they are Welsh.The English backs are not going to win the WC for England. They aren't now, they never have and they never will. The only thing that matters is how well the Pack plays, England lives and dies on that and that alone. The Pack plays properly and the back line will get the chance to do something. The Pack plays poorly and its game over.
World Cups aren't about entertaining flash harry stuff, they are about defence. NZ cut teams apart because their set piece is solid, they dont really lose their own ball and they monster the breakdown and ruck area to either steal ball or put pressure on opposing ball. Its then either lost, they have turn over ball with a misaligned defence ahead or the opposition kicks the ball away to clear their area and NZ get to counter strike. Their "fancy' rugby all stems from their Pack.
I saw the Prem final and guess what happened. The sexy Ford, Joseph, Watson etc got dicked by Farrell, Barritt et al.
London424 said:
DJRC said:
Can we stop this Faz st please? Just because he isn't Ford or Danny and doesn't get the backs dancing like they are Welsh.
The English backs are not going to win the WC for England. They aren't now, they never have and they never will. The only thing that matters is how well the Pack plays, England lives and dies on that and that alone. The Pack plays properly and the back line will get the chance to do something. The Pack plays poorly and its game over.
World Cups aren't about entertaining flash harry stuff, they are about defence. NZ cut teams apart because their set piece is solid, they dont really lose their own ball and they monster the breakdown and ruck area to either steal ball or put pressure on opposing ball. Its then either lost, they have turn over ball with a misaligned defence ahead or the opposition kicks the ball away to clear their area and NZ get to counter strike. Their "fancy' rugby all stems from their Pack.
Thank god someone else sees it too.t please? Just because he isn't Ford or Danny and doesn't get the backs dancing like they are Welsh.The English backs are not going to win the WC for England. They aren't now, they never have and they never will. The only thing that matters is how well the Pack plays, England lives and dies on that and that alone. The Pack plays properly and the back line will get the chance to do something. The Pack plays poorly and its game over.
World Cups aren't about entertaining flash harry stuff, they are about defence. NZ cut teams apart because their set piece is solid, they dont really lose their own ball and they monster the breakdown and ruck area to either steal ball or put pressure on opposing ball. Its then either lost, they have turn over ball with a misaligned defence ahead or the opposition kicks the ball away to clear their area and NZ get to counter strike. Their "fancy' rugby all stems from their Pack.
I saw the Prem final and guess what happened. The sexy Ford, Joseph, Watson etc got dicked by Farrell, Barritt et al.
h fazlet wouldn't have been on the field - one definite yellow and a second possible.... irocfan said:
London424 said:
DJRC said:
Can we stop this Faz st please? Just because he isn't Ford or Danny and doesn't get the backs dancing like they are Welsh.
The English backs are not going to win the WC for England. They aren't now, they never have and they never will. The only thing that matters is how well the Pack plays, England lives and dies on that and that alone. The Pack plays properly and the back line will get the chance to do something. The Pack plays poorly and its game over.
World Cups aren't about entertaining flash harry stuff, they are about defence. NZ cut teams apart because their set piece is solid, they dont really lose their own ball and they monster the breakdown and ruck area to either steal ball or put pressure on opposing ball. Its then either lost, they have turn over ball with a misaligned defence ahead or the opposition kicks the ball away to clear their area and NZ get to counter strike. Their "fancy' rugby all stems from their Pack.
Thank god someone else sees it too.t please? Just because he isn't Ford or Danny and doesn't get the backs dancing like they are Welsh.The English backs are not going to win the WC for England. They aren't now, they never have and they never will. The only thing that matters is how well the Pack plays, England lives and dies on that and that alone. The Pack plays properly and the back line will get the chance to do something. The Pack plays poorly and its game over.
World Cups aren't about entertaining flash harry stuff, they are about defence. NZ cut teams apart because their set piece is solid, they dont really lose their own ball and they monster the breakdown and ruck area to either steal ball or put pressure on opposing ball. Its then either lost, they have turn over ball with a misaligned defence ahead or the opposition kicks the ball away to clear their area and NZ get to counter strike. Their "fancy' rugby all stems from their Pack.
I saw the Prem final and guess what happened. The sexy Ford, Joseph, Watson etc got dicked by Farrell, Barritt et al.
h fazlet wouldn't have been on the field - one definite yellow and a second possible.... If, buts, maybes.
The Aus have lost, not won, been butt fked consistently since John Eales retired, ie the last time they had a good Pack. Did you watch their victories over NZ and the Boks in the RC? I commented about it on here - based squarely on them having a Pack again. Poco like and Hooper blitzing the breakdown and mauls and worryingly - a solid scrum. They looked quite like NZ actually!
And yes their backs digging them out of holes. I'm usually the one on here pointing out frequently that Aus have the best back line in the world but they have been able to win nothing because their Pack has given them no solid foundation.
Their doesn't need to be any creativity in the English back line. Just two solid centres and lightning pace out wide. I want a boot on my fly half and a half decent pass. Speed of back line distribution comes from the scrum half, quick ball and use the pace. My centres are there to defend and solid midfield truck ball/hole punching.
Power creates holes, pace exploits it. England have pace to burn in the back 3 and a midfield to punch holes. If the Pack gives them go forward ball then we can score 2 backs tries each game. If the Pack doesn't give that ball then you are looking at 0 and the Pack doing nothing.
It's that simple. I like a midfield of rotating SB, BB and JJ. A lot of what can or will do will come down to how Care and/or Youngs play.
The Aus have lost, not won, been butt f
ked consistently since John Eales retired, ie the last time they had a good Pack. Did you watch their victories over NZ and the Boks in the RC? I commented about it on here - based squarely on them having a Pack again. Poco like and Hooper blitzing the breakdown and mauls and worryingly - a solid scrum. They looked quite like NZ actually!And yes their backs digging them out of holes. I'm usually the one on here pointing out frequently that Aus have the best back line in the world but they have been able to win nothing because their Pack has given them no solid foundation.
Their doesn't need to be any creativity in the English back line. Just two solid centres and lightning pace out wide. I want a boot on my fly half and a half decent pass. Speed of back line distribution comes from the scrum half, quick ball and use the pace. My centres are there to defend and solid midfield truck ball/hole punching.
Power creates holes, pace exploits it. England have pace to burn in the back 3 and a midfield to punch holes. If the Pack gives them go forward ball then we can score 2 backs tries each game. If the Pack doesn't give that ball then you are looking at 0 and the Pack doing nothing.
It's that simple. I like a midfield of rotating SB, BB and JJ. A lot of what can or will do will come down to how Care and/or Youngs play.
DJRC, thanks for reminding me of one of my pet hates - scrummies (little stes) who don't get the ball away!
This seems to be a contagious disease where the ball is on the floor and effectively ready; one of 3 things then happens:
A). Scrum half starts gesturing at forwards pointing where they need to be for his slow laboured pass to truck it up again and gain no (or even lose) ground!
B). After an age, (meerkatting) scrummy picks up and shuffles a step or two and then guess what, lobs a ste pass to the 10 or centre to..... Truck it into contact - rinse repeat.
C). Those God awful wind up passes where the 'backswing' or wind up of the pass gives the defence at least 3 free yards warning and also a rough idea where the balls going....
Little stes need a proper kicking at times!!!
tes) who don't get the ball away!This seems to be a contagious disease where the ball is on the floor and effectively ready; one of 3 things then happens:
A). Scrum half starts gesturing at forwards pointing where they need to be for his slow laboured pass to truck it up again and gain no (or even lose) ground!
B). After an age, (meerkatting) scrummy picks up and shuffles a step or two and then guess what, lobs a s
te pass to the 10 or centre to..... Truck it into contact - rinse repeat.C). Those God awful wind up passes where the 'backswing' or wind up of the pass gives the defence at least 3 free yards warning and also a rough idea where the balls going....
Little s
tes need a proper kicking at times!!!Slaav - agreed! Oh goody another pop pass to a pod of 3 forwards who get stopped 1m to the left of where the current breakdown is and offer another chance of turnover to the opposition. Quick Rick n maul game where the Pack and 9 repeat it in quick succession is very different to static, defence lined up and repeat.
It's the same with dicking about at the base of a scrum. Stop the no8 glory boy from pouncing about before he invariably loses control and get the bloody thing away!!! You will do far more damage with the quick ball away for the midfield boys to hammer it up the centre and already have the flankers coming in hard because the moment the ball arrived at the number 8 feet they were detaching to go ravaging...
It's the same with dicking about at the base of a scrum. Stop the no8 glory boy from pouncing about before he invariably loses control and get the bloody thing away!!! You will do far more damage with the quick ball away for the midfield boys to hammer it up the centre and already have the flankers coming in hard because the moment the ball arrived at the number 8 feet they were detaching to go ravaging...
Scotlands 31 RWC squad has been announced. Predictable but really surprised at the exclusion of John Barclay as he had a cracking game against Italy, has massive experience at an international level and was Scarlets players of the season...
Props: Alasdair Dickinson, Ryan Grant, Gordon Reid, Willem Nel, Jon Welsh
Hookers: Fraser Brown, Ross Ford, Stuart McInally
Locks: Grant Gilchrist, Jonny Gray, Richie Gray, Tim Swinson
Loose Forwards: David Denton, John Hardie, Josh Strauss, Alasdair Strokosch, Ryan Wilson
Scrum Halves: Greig Laidlaw (c), Sam Hidalgo-Clyne, Henry Pyrgos
Fly Halves: Finn Russell, Duncan Weir
Centres: Mark Bennett, Peter Horne, Matt Scott, Richie Vernon
Outside Backs: Stuart Hogg, Sean Lamont, Sean Maitland, Tommy Seymour, Tim Visser
Props: Alasdair Dickinson, Ryan Grant, Gordon Reid, Willem Nel, Jon Welsh
Hookers: Fraser Brown, Ross Ford, Stuart McInally
Locks: Grant Gilchrist, Jonny Gray, Richie Gray, Tim Swinson
Loose Forwards: David Denton, John Hardie, Josh Strauss, Alasdair Strokosch, Ryan Wilson
Scrum Halves: Greig Laidlaw (c), Sam Hidalgo-Clyne, Henry Pyrgos
Fly Halves: Finn Russell, Duncan Weir
Centres: Mark Bennett, Peter Horne, Matt Scott, Richie Vernon
Outside Backs: Stuart Hogg, Sean Lamont, Sean Maitland, Tommy Seymour, Tim Visser
Slaav said:
DJRC, thanks for reminding me of one of my pet hates - scrummies (little stes) who don't get the ball away!
This seems to be a contagious disease where the ball is on the floor and effectively ready; one of 3 things then happens:
A). Scrum half starts gesturing at forwards pointing where they need to be for his slow laboured pass to truck it up again and gain no (or even lose) ground!
B). After an age, (meerkatting) scrummy picks up and shuffles a step or two and then guess what, lobs a ste pass to the 10 or centre to..... Truck it into contact - rinse repeat.
C). Those God awful wind up passes where the 'backswing' or wind up of the pass gives the defence at least 3 free yards warning and also a rough idea where the balls going....
Little stes need a proper kicking at times!!!
They're just trying to suck in defenders to the breakdown to create space in the wider channels for the backline to get going. Being England fans of course, you wouldn't understand this concept.tes) who don't get the ball away!This seems to be a contagious disease where the ball is on the floor and effectively ready; one of 3 things then happens:
A). Scrum half starts gesturing at forwards pointing where they need to be for his slow laboured pass to truck it up again and gain no (or even lose) ground!
B). After an age, (meerkatting) scrummy picks up and shuffles a step or two and then guess what, lobs a s
te pass to the 10 or centre to..... Truck it into contact - rinse repeat.C). Those God awful wind up passes where the 'backswing' or wind up of the pass gives the defence at least 3 free yards warning and also a rough idea where the balls going....
Little s
tes need a proper kicking at times!!!
hornetrider said:
Slaav said:
DJRC, thanks for reminding me of one of my pet hates - scrummies (little stes) who don't get the ball away!
This seems to be a contagious disease where the ball is on the floor and effectively ready; one of 3 things then happens:
A). Scrum half starts gesturing at forwards pointing where they need to be for his slow laboured pass to truck it up again and gain no (or even lose) ground!
B). After an age, (meerkatting) scrummy picks up and shuffles a step or two and then guess what, lobs a ste pass to the 10 or centre to..... Truck it into contact - rinse repeat.
C). Those God awful wind up passes where the 'backswing' or wind up of the pass gives the defence at least 3 free yards warning and also a rough idea where the balls going....
Little stes need a proper kicking at times!!!
They're just trying to suck in defenders to the breakdown to create space in the wider channels for the backline to get going. Being England fans of course, you wouldn't understand this concept.tes) who don't get the ball away!This seems to be a contagious disease where the ball is on the floor and effectively ready; one of 3 things then happens:
A). Scrum half starts gesturing at forwards pointing where they need to be for his slow laboured pass to truck it up again and gain no (or even lose) ground!
B). After an age, (meerkatting) scrummy picks up and shuffles a step or two and then guess what, lobs a s
te pass to the 10 or centre to..... Truck it into contact - rinse repeat.C). Those God awful wind up passes where the 'backswing' or wind up of the pass gives the defence at least 3 free yards warning and also a rough idea where the balls going....
Little s
tes need a proper kicking at times!!!Watch what happens when the truck, truck, point and .... truck happens. The defence gets an opportunity to spread across the pitch like a training run out. Forwards swap with backs and it pretty much never leads to mis matches in the midfield etc.
In the case of the dreaded step and hesitate and.... pass - that is as bad as not only does it delay the possibly fast ball, but allows everyone to run up as an aggressive defence rather than a more passive version if they are defending at all angles against fast strike runners.
There can always be an argument for a few quick short attacks and probes followed by the then wider ball creating mis matches but Eng simply don't seem to even try that most of the time. That, in my view, is a real shame.
But what would I know eh??? I watch enough of the damn stuff and played a little over the years
ps - I probably actually do know **** all but that never stopps us in the West Car Park???
DJRC said:
If, buts, maybes.
Their doesn't need to be any creativity in the English back line. Just two solid centres and lightning pace out wide. I want a boot on my fly half and a half decent pass. Speed of back line distribution comes from the scrum half, quick ball and use the pace. My centres are there to defend and solid midfield truck ball/hole punching.
Power creates holes, pace exploits it. England have pace to burn in the back 3 and a midfield to punch holes. If the Pack gives them go forward ball then we can score 2 backs tries each game. If the Pack doesn't give that ball then you are looking at 0 and the Pack doing nothing.
It's that simple. I like a midfield of rotating SB, BB and JJ. A lot of what can or will do will come down to how Care and/or Youngs play.
The England pack aren't far ahead enough of their rivals that they can simply rely on an offensively limited back line to finish off field position. For God's sake, the Saffers scored from a rolling maul with 7 forwards on the park at Twickenham last year. Both the All Blacks and South Africa will be able to achieve parity up front, and at the breakdown. And once things are equal in that respect, it comes down to your backs having the vision and power to make the attacking difference out wide. Having a slow 10 in Farrell and a couple of tackling centres doesn't give you that, unfortunately. Ford, Slade and Joseph might give you a chance however.Their doesn't need to be any creativity in the English back line. Just two solid centres and lightning pace out wide. I want a boot on my fly half and a half decent pass. Speed of back line distribution comes from the scrum half, quick ball and use the pace. My centres are there to defend and solid midfield truck ball/hole punching.
Power creates holes, pace exploits it. England have pace to burn in the back 3 and a midfield to punch holes. If the Pack gives them go forward ball then we can score 2 backs tries each game. If the Pack doesn't give that ball then you are looking at 0 and the Pack doing nothing.
It's that simple. I like a midfield of rotating SB, BB and JJ. A lot of what can or will do will come down to how Care and/or Youngs play.
Team for the weekend:
M Brown (Harlequins); A Watson (Bath), J Joseph (Bath), B Barritt (Saracens)
J May (Gloucester); G Ford (Bath), B Youngs (Leicester); J Marler (Harlequins), T Youngs (Leicester), D Cole (Leicester), C Lawes (Northampton), G Parling (Exeter), T Wood (Northampton), C Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), B Morgan (Gloucester)
Replacements: J George (Saracens), M Vunipola (Saracens), K Brookes (Northampton), J Launchbury (Wasps), B Vunipola (Saracens), R Wigglesworth (Saracens), O Farrell (Saracens), S Burgess (Bath).
I'm not sure that Lancaster will have #10 decided as yet, I reckon if Ford has a mare on Saturday Fazzlet could start against Fiji. Ford has done well for England since he broke into the side, and IMO has been pivotal in creating a more attacking brand of rugby. Fazzlets your man for 10 man rugby which has it's time and place, however I'd contest we've already seen that early in the Lancaster tenure with the OF, MT, and BB midfield if well executed you'd beat most teams but our pack aren't quite dominant enough over the better (more forward oriented) teams. IMO you want your bench to have impact so to that end Fazzlet is a bit of a waste of a bench place, I'm not saying he should start but if you need a plan B with Farrell starting Ford will give that. I've never been a huge Farrell fan, but cliche has big game mentality and all in all is steady choice. Assuming Ford is first choice Slade is a far better bench option than Fazzlet but won't happen.
I'm a broken record but our back row is imbalanced, tight 5 will come good. George looking like he's bumped up to #2 already and if Youngs implodes at set piece time can see him starting. Parling in might help Youngs throwing.
Will hopefully get to see a Ford, Burgess, JJ, combo at some point in the Ireland game Barritt needs a good game as IMO he's been carried up until now. Pretty much the side I'd expect to see start against Fiji, minus Morgan unless he looks to have regained more fitness/form likewise Launchburry. Likewise with his Saracens teammate I don't see Wigglesworth as a bench type impact player, Ben Youngs was pretty poor last time out and pretty hot/cold at best.
M Brown (Harlequins); A Watson (Bath), J Joseph (Bath), B Barritt (Saracens)
J May (Gloucester); G Ford (Bath), B Youngs (Leicester); J Marler (Harlequins), T Youngs (Leicester), D Cole (Leicester), C Lawes (Northampton), G Parling (Exeter), T Wood (Northampton), C Robshaw (Harlequins, capt), B Morgan (Gloucester)
Replacements: J George (Saracens), M Vunipola (Saracens), K Brookes (Northampton), J Launchbury (Wasps), B Vunipola (Saracens), R Wigglesworth (Saracens), O Farrell (Saracens), S Burgess (Bath).
I'm not sure that Lancaster will have #10 decided as yet, I reckon if Ford has a mare on Saturday Fazzlet could start against Fiji. Ford has done well for England since he broke into the side, and IMO has been pivotal in creating a more attacking brand of rugby. Fazzlets your man for 10 man rugby which has it's time and place, however I'd contest we've already seen that early in the Lancaster tenure with the OF, MT, and BB midfield if well executed you'd beat most teams but our pack aren't quite dominant enough over the better (more forward oriented) teams. IMO you want your bench to have impact so to that end Fazzlet is a bit of a waste of a bench place, I'm not saying he should start but if you need a plan B with Farrell starting Ford will give that. I've never been a huge Farrell fan, but cliche has big game mentality and all in all is steady choice. Assuming Ford is first choice Slade is a far better bench option than Fazzlet but won't happen.
I'm a broken record but our back row is imbalanced, tight 5 will come good. George looking like he's bumped up to #2 already and if Youngs implodes at set piece time can see him starting. Parling in might help Youngs throwing.
Will hopefully get to see a Ford, Burgess, JJ, combo at some point in the Ireland game Barritt needs a good game as IMO he's been carried up until now. Pretty much the side I'd expect to see start against Fiji, minus Morgan unless he looks to have regained more fitness/form likewise Launchburry. Likewise with his Saracens teammate I don't see Wigglesworth as a bench type impact player, Ben Youngs was pretty poor last time out and pretty hot/cold at best.
But A3 the point being that until the last 2 matches England's Pack had been fking ruthless and better than anyone else, inc. last autumn against the southern boys. Lancaster was very much building a dominant traditional English team up front and a sturdy midfield around which pace could hit holes. In fact one of the themes from the AI's to the 6N this yr was Lancaster arguably playing less expansively and using England forward Pack to dictate and then go wide.
king ruthless and better than anyone else, inc. last autumn against the southern boys. Lancaster was very much building a dominant traditional English team up front and a sturdy midfield around which pace could hit holes. In fact one of the themes from the AI's to the 6N this yr was Lancaster arguably playing less expansively and using England forward Pack to dictate and then go wide.Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff