Cricket: 2014 India tour of England, 9th July-7th September

Cricket: 2014 India tour of England, 9th July-7th September

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Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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After the pitch in the last match being all set for a draw we were told that here it will be done to favour at least a result. An England result.

Given all that I am thinking another draw.... sigh.

Fishtigua

9,786 posts

196 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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Whoopie-bleedin'-doo. A lead of 24 after having that wicket on the first and second day and not getting stuck in. Just not good enough.

Nom de ploom

4,890 posts

175 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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i think prior has had his Swann moment and realised he's not up to 5 day cricket any more.

seeing him in the huddle you can't see his eyes but the face gives it away for me, he looks like he's already gone to me.

time to do a Swanny and call it a draw before he really gets found out.

Gargamel

14,997 posts

262 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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Agree re Prior, time to go I think, he isn't the batsman he was, and Buttler arguably is a better batsman, the case against Buttler is that his keeping isn't as sharp as Prior's.

After dropping some absolute sitters, I would say that is no longer the case for Prior.


BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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How can a trundler bowling 77/78mph have caused England so many problems? Lots of talk about this pitch being a 'green top' but with the exception of the first session on day 1 I really don't see what is so bad about it (from a batting pov). England should be disappointed with that batting performance imo. I reckon the Indians will do well now and set a challenging total for England to chase - perhaps 300-350 over 4 sessions? Which so long as the pitch doesn't start to crumble should be achievable for England.

It's been an enjoyable test so far - much better than the 1st test.

DJRC

23,563 posts

237 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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Its probably his last series. His keeping has dropped two notches and that is hurting. Its a bit of changing guard. Root to keep? Id try a bit of letting Cook go back to his county for second half of summer and rebuild away from the glare. Bell can be captain for a few matches and Chef come back in the winter in form and happy.

Gargamel

14,997 posts

262 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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Buttler would come in, Root could only be keeper if the bring Morgan in as captain, in which case we need the batting space as Morgan probably needs to bat six or seven

India top order haven't been that impressive so far, so this is their big moment to stick score on. Think it could be tough going this afternoon.


BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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One of England's biggest problems is their lack of a full time spinner. I can't seen Moeen ever being anything more than a part timer. Wonder if Monty can turn his personal life around and make a come back?

Amirhussain

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11,489 posts

164 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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Plunkett on fire, hat trick ball coming up

Fishtigua

9,786 posts

196 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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Amirhussain said:
Plunkett on fire, hat trick ball coming up
At last England are getting a bit of this innings their way.

zygalski

7,759 posts

146 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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Any more decisions like the Rahane one & I should think the Indians will soon want DRS themselves...

Gargamel

14,997 posts

262 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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That's three absolute shockers in this match alone.

All very well the Indians claiming DRS isn't accurate, but some of the umpiring lately seems to be much much worse.

zygalski

7,759 posts

146 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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Ok I can understand with regards to hawkeye because however accurate, at the end of the day it is predictive in nature. However, they're bonkers to not allow hot spot or replays to show where a ball has struck, what it's hit & if it's carried.

Edited by zygalski on Saturday 19th July 17:46

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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zygalski said:
Any more decisions like the Rahane one & I should think the Indians will soon want DRS themselves...
You would think so wouldn't you. They had DRS at the last world cup (because it was an ICC event and India had no say) and I remember it saving Tendulkar in the semi final when they played Pakistan. Ended up scoring 80 or 90 when he was given out in the 20s (then overturned).

So even that didn't prompt them changing their minds.

It's a bizarre position to hold.

spikeyhead

17,337 posts

198 months

Saturday 19th July 2014
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I can cope with Cook going through a poor spell. I can cope with Prior coming to the end of his career and accept that it was considered too risky to introduce another inexperienced player.

What I struggle to cope with is that the bowlers can't work out amongst themselves to pitch it up. Seems sad that the experienced bowlers can't organize that much.

Amirhussain

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11,489 posts

164 months

Sunday 20th July 2014
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Ben Stokes is having a poor time with the bat too. Tomorrow will be good, India currently have 145 runs lead, they will be looking to get at least another 150 runs, early wickets will be the key for England.

bigunit00

890 posts

148 months

Sunday 20th July 2014
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Can't see England getting more than 150-180 on this pitch batting last.

Not sure why England are not picking the best 11 players their disposal. If monty is the best spinner just pick him ( what has he actually done wrong?) same with buttler or read ahead of Prior. Picking the team seems far too political at the moment with a focus on who is kissing whose a** and if he is a nice guy or not........ You need a couple of a**holes in the team at the moment who can perform.

Cook and plunkett bowling short on that deck on Thursday was criminal. What were they thinking? That to me is the nail in the coffin for Cook. if you cant get the basic / easy stuff right then you have no hope. why would plunkett even agree to it? he should have stood at the top of his mark and not run in until he got the field and strategy he wanted. All the seamers are under performing at the moment (being outbowled by SL and India in home conditions) and no spinner. Hard to win games like that.


irocfan

40,537 posts

191 months

Sunday 20th July 2014
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bigunit00 said:
Not sure why England are not picking the best 11 players their disposal. If monty is the best spinner just pick him ( what has he actually done wrong?) same with buttler or read ahead of Prior. Picking the team seems far too political at the moment with a focus on who is kissing whose a** and if he is a nice guy or not........ You need a couple of a**holes in the team at the moment who can perform.
the great English fear of individuals in a 'team' sport - pick the best, who cares if no-one likes them, it's not like they pass him the ball or will deliberately run someone out (that being said didn't that happen to Boycs as he was going too slow?)

Gargamel

14,997 posts

262 months

Sunday 20th July 2014
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Yeah, Botham famously ran boycs out for batting slowly.

Monty is unpick able, fight in an night club and I think he also urinated on a tramp, or something very similar.

Has had several chances with his county side and has blown up repeatedly. Plus these days he isn't the bowler he used to be, has had the yips on more than one occasion. I fear you are looking back with rosé tinted specs.

If we don't have a spinner, so be it. But lets at least pick some variety. Kumar has shown that a controlled bowler coming in a bit slower but with great discipline can be at least as effective as a spinner.

juice

8,537 posts

283 months

Sunday 20th July 2014
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Gargamel said:
If we don't have a spinner, so be it. But lets at least pick some variety. Kumar has shown that a controlled bowler coming in a bit slower but with great discipline can be at least as effective as a spinner.
I'd say Bopara would be pretty much perfect for that sort of role...