Cricket: 2014 India tour of England, 9th July-7th September

Cricket: 2014 India tour of England, 9th July-7th September

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greygoose

8,269 posts

196 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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What a shambles.

SydneyBridge

8,635 posts

159 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Will Cook now resign/step down before he is pushed

Prior and Stokes need replacing, Cook is desperately out of form, captain or no captain

BraveSirRobin

842 posts

283 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Spineless

dav123a

1,220 posts

160 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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I'd drop Prior and Stokes. Its time to move on from prior and give the gloves to Buttler. Stokes is the worst form of his career a lot of ducks in the last 12 or so innings. Cook isn't likely to be sacked half way through a series. Bell deserves a few more goes to get some form.

SydneyBridge

8,635 posts

159 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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is Stokes meant to be an all-rounder, a batsman that bowls or vice versa?
he is none of the above at the moment

spikeyhead

17,339 posts

198 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Well done India.

I'm not a lover of knee jerk changes, but it is now time for change. Bring in some fresh blood, possibly Carberry to open. No idea who to make captain, I don't think Morgan is good enough at test level.

and I know not what happened at lunch, possibly change the caterers for the next test, it seemed to fall apart after the sandwiches.

Amirhussain

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11,489 posts

164 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Cook needs to go ASAP, his being treated too kindly, poor captain.

Stokes is in piss poor form, bring back Chris Jordan, and Matt Prior is in horrible form too.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Guardian:

England's last 10 Test match results: DLLLLLDLDL

greygoose

8,269 posts

196 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Listening to Cook being interviewed it seems to be up to the players whether they want to play and if they do they get a place, hardly breeding competition for places if players in poor form are allowed to stay on forever.

Leithen

10,931 posts

268 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Time to put a plan in place for the future. To do this successfully, England needs to look to the past for at least a couple of years.

They need a skilled, experienced captain. They need to stop making do with whoever is the least worst candidate from the current squad.

They also need a keeper who can actually catch the ball.

So appoint Chris Read as captain and keeper. Accept that he will only have 18-24months in the post. Make Root Vice-Captain and task Read to involve him deeply in every part of leading the team.

Send Cook back to the counties and find him a batting coach.

Prep Buttler to replace Read in 18-24 months.

Find the replacement for Anderson

Find two, maybe three spinners.

arfur sleep

1,166 posts

220 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Cook is currently too ineffective as a captain.

Look at 1st day, his bowlers were not delivering yet he couldn't motivate them too or they were delivering to the worst plan ever.

Today, we needed to bat through day and possibly gets the runs. Soon as wickets fall, he should be in the dressing room telling them calm and steady, ignore the wide bouncers as it's not a desperate run chase.

For me, Prior is done for this series - too many mistakes with gloves and bat. Stokes and Plunkett have done okay as have Broad and Anderson but i can see the former pairing being switched out

Bell needs to get some runs, he may survive into the next test but without a couple of big scores in that then he's done.

Cook will probably survive simply because there's no-one else to lead the team but some radical change needs to happen ASAP.

Suspect KP is quiet enjoying this in a perverse way.

Fishtigua

9,786 posts

196 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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This time last year we were thrashing the Aussies, what's gone wrong in just one year?

Amirhussain

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11,489 posts

164 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Eoin Morgan should be the new Captain.

Leithen

10,931 posts

268 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Fishtigua said:
This time last year we were thrashing the Aussies, what's gone wrong in just one year?
You can only paper over cracks for so long.

Oh and Australia got their st together.

benm3evo

383 posts

182 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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To be honest, I think the biggest problem England have is losing Swann. Fair enough I know we still got dicked in Australia in the games we played but before that he was number one spinner in the world.

Losing Trott (who averaged 50 odd?) doesn't help either.

As said, it may have only been papering over cracks but I don't think it's all Cook's fault.

Give him to the end of the series & if it's still this bad he'll resign. If there was a good Captain candidate to replace him now then maybe, but there isn't

Leithen

10,931 posts

268 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Amirhussain said:
Eoin Morgan should be the new Captain.
Perhaps one day, but at the moment he has little captaincy experience - if it happens it will be the same mistake repeated.

V41LEY

2,895 posts

239 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Downton choking on his sherry ?
He should be the first to go for blatantly backing the wrong horse - followed by Moores and Cook.
Moores is proving every bit as effective as his last stint when KP got the sack for saying he wasn't up to the job
whereas Downton says 'he is the outstanding coach of his generation'. What an omni-shambles !!

Amirhussain

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11,489 posts

164 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Leithen said:
Fishtigua said:
This time last year we were thrashing the Aussies, what's gone wrong in just one year?
You can only paper over cracks for so long.

Oh and Australia got their st together.
When they beat Australia 3-0 in the home ashes, the selectors should have seen the problems, plenty of players were outta form, but the 3-0 win got to their heads.

Ian bell is out of form badlu too. This is the same Ian Bell who scored three centuries in the home ashes series.

27 innings without a half century for Alastair Cook, never mind a century. Since the start of the 2013 ashes, he's averaged 23, and this year his average is 14.

Liam Pl

Gargamel

15,000 posts

262 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Stokes' recent scores for England: 0,5,5,4,0,4,0,0,0,0

That is all


hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Monday 21st July 2014
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Gargamel said:
Stokes' recent scores for England: 0,5,5,4,0,4,0,0,0,0

That is all
I don't know what to say. What can you say? Where do you start?