Cricket: 2014 India tour of England, 9th July-7th September
Discussion
Amirhussain said:
Leithen said:
Fishtigua said:
This time last year we were thrashing the Aussies, what's gone wrong in just one year?
You can only paper over cracks for so long.Oh and Australia got their s
t together.Ian bell is out of form badlu too. This is the same Ian Bell who scored three centuries in the home ashes series.
27 innings without a half century for Alastair Cook, never mind a century. Since the start of the 2013 ashes, he's averaged 23, and this year his average is 14.
Liam Pl
Winter in Aus showed the failings and we rightly received a hinding.
We have been found out as a side, and we have no plan B to turn to. Its like groundhog day every test match.
You can almost guarantee that we will have a batting collapse and we will bowl too short.
Cook does not look like captaincy material to me - take it away from him and give him a chance to regain his batting form. Broad could be an okay short term captain or perhaps bring in someone new (Morgan has been mentioned on here previously).
According to the Sky commentators Prior's body is falling apart and he is nowhere near 100% fit. Give the man a rest and bring in Jos Buttler.
And then find a full time spinner - you do not succeed at test cricket (long term anyway) without a spinner. Even a defensive one who can tie up an end all day and not go for many runs. Ali is just a part timer who bowls too many loose balls.
Stokes has been terrible with the bat but he's done an okay job as the 4th seamer for England. They should persist with him for a while longer I think.
According to the Sky commentators Prior's body is falling apart and he is nowhere near 100% fit. Give the man a rest and bring in Jos Buttler.
And then find a full time spinner - you do not succeed at test cricket (long term anyway) without a spinner. Even a defensive one who can tie up an end all day and not go for many runs. Ali is just a part timer who bowls too many loose balls.
Stokes has been terrible with the bat but he's done an okay job as the 4th seamer for England. They should persist with him for a while longer I think.
graphene said:
Yeah, let's keep on losing, because their form may return at any time. Bit of a leftfield approach, but foundations can't be rushed.
Indeed they can't be rushed , but we can't have jam tomorrow. Some players aren't good enough moving forward. The team is in a tricky spot too many players aren't performing but you can't drop half the team. So here we are, The side is failing to deliver to its on paper potential. Cook has a fine average, plenty of top draw centuries behind him, ditto Ian Bell.
Broad and Anderson would likely get picked in most world cricket teams, both are great bowlers.
The core of the team is still strong, but a combination of poor management, leadership and the in fill roles where new kids aren't delivering have meant that the core is also being dragged down (you can say they are failing to lift us either, but I think for now you have to park that chat)
In Root and Ballance we clearly have two good potential batsman, neither are letting us down at the moment.
Spinner, Keeper, Opener (s) and the third fast bowler or fifth bowler if you say we have no spin options - are the issue. So is coaching, management and Leadership.
The ECB bet the house on building around Cook. The KP affair and the Aussie have left scars on Cook and he is not the same player and the criticism he has personally received has clearly got to him. He CANNOT win from here, just not possible, he never had a natural game, he was always a technician with basically three shots. Now he has lost his judgement, doesn't trust his shots and really I don't think he knows which way is up.
Cook should in my view step back, take some time out and re discover his form out of the current circus that is English Cricket, I know he won't want to and I know the ECB don't want him too, but for the sake of his personal enjoyment of the game and his future, he really should.
We are only so frustrated because we know they are better than this.
hornetrider said:
Gargamel said:
Stokes' recent scores for England: 0,5,5,4,0,4,0,0,0,0
That is all
I don't know what to say. What can you say? Where do you start?That is all
Call 0,5,5,4,0,4,0,0,0,0 to vote for your England captain...
Press 1 for Cook
Press 2 for Root
Press 3 for Prior
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Just hangup for KP
England were undone by the short ball. The worst dismissal was Ben Stokes, why, why WTF would you play that shot?! His recent scores read like a foreign telephone number. 6 ducks in his last ten innings, including 4 in a row. His just living off the century he scored against the Aussies in the Ashes.
Liam Plunkett, Ballance, Moeen Ali and Joe Root have done alright IMO.
Liam Plunkett, Ballance, Moeen Ali and Joe Root have done alright IMO.
So how does that work? India bounce us out but when we try it we get battered.
We don't have anyone who can take the game away from the opposition anymore since KP was told he wasn't needed anymore. We need someone who can blitz a quick 50 or 60 runs and demoralise the oppose. That didn't happen today.
Utter shambles.
Downton out
Moores should never have been in
Cook needs to go to captains school and drop down the order
Utter shower of st.
We don't have anyone who can take the game away from the opposition anymore since KP was told he wasn't needed anymore. We need someone who can blitz a quick 50 or 60 runs and demoralise the oppose. That didn't happen today.
Utter shambles.
Downton out
Moores should never have been in
Cook needs to go to captains school and drop down the order
Utter shower of s
t.TheAngryDog said:
So how does that work? India bounce us out but when we try it we get battered.
We don't have anyone who can take the game away from the opposition anymore since KP was told he wasn't needed anymore. We need someone who can blitz a quick 50 or 60 runs and demoralise the oppose. That didn't happen today.
Utter shambles.
Downton out
Moores should never have been in
Cook needs to go to captains school and drop down the order
Utter shower of st.
India had a plan on bowling short, and set fields with catchers In the deep. England players got suckered in and played right in their hands. India also for the majority of the time bowled full and kept the runs to a minimum. We don't have anyone who can take the game away from the opposition anymore since KP was told he wasn't needed anymore. We need someone who can blitz a quick 50 or 60 runs and demoralise the oppose. That didn't happen today.
Utter shambles.
Downton out
Moores should never have been in
Cook needs to go to captains school and drop down the order
Utter shower of s
t.England set fields for full swing bowling and our thick bowlers decided to bowl all the time and therefore allowed India to score easy runs. Plus when 5 out of 6 balls are short Indian batsman kind of got used to it.
I refrained from commenting on the cricket related threads, probably since the shower of ste that was the last Ashes tour...... Have we hit rock bottom? Possibly. All be it a short series loss to Sri Lanka and getting beat in a test to another subcontinent side on a wicket that suited our bowlers after winning the toss we should have won comfortably.
These lot are meant to be professionals and looked anything but. India at the moment really aren't that good but know their limitations and play to their strengths-we'd get put away by pretty much any top tier side at the moment. Even at home.
Cook seems to think if he starts getting runs again it will make him a good captain, it won't. A break from cricket won't either, he's been in the England set up for most of his first class career-around 8-9 years now? He's just not cut out to be captain regardless IMO. However like most it seems I'm scratching my head as to who the credible candidates to replace him are.
It's a bit like when my old granddad got me into cricket in the 90's but I do believe unlike the odd beacon back then we do have good players. When you look at it the spine of the team has gone, KP, Swann (at least Cook has the balls to see a series out wanted or not) Trotty etc. Senior players didn't show up.
te that was the last Ashes tour...... Have we hit rock bottom? Possibly. All be it a short series loss to Sri Lanka and getting beat in a test to another subcontinent side on a wicket that suited our bowlers after winning the toss we should have won comfortably.These lot are meant to be professionals and looked anything but. India at the moment really aren't that good but know their limitations and play to their strengths-we'd get put away by pretty much any top tier side at the moment. Even at home.
Cook seems to think if he starts getting runs again it will make him a good captain, it won't. A break from cricket won't either, he's been in the England set up for most of his first class career-around 8-9 years now? He's just not cut out to be captain regardless IMO. However like most it seems I'm scratching my head as to who the credible candidates to replace him are.
It's a bit like when my old granddad got me into cricket in the 90's but I do believe unlike the odd beacon back then we do have good players. When you look at it the spine of the team has gone, KP, Swann (at least Cook has the balls to see a series out wanted or not) Trotty etc. Senior players didn't show up.
IMO Cook is being treated too kindly, if he wasn't captain, he would have been out of the side ages ago. I don't know what Graeme Swann has been smoking;
"He's standing tall and refusing to buckle. It's brilliant from him," Swann, who retired at the end of 2013, told BBC Sport.
"He has an inner steel, stronger than anyone else I've ever known. He's going to fight like hellfire to change it round."
'Brilliant'. Really??
"He's standing tall and refusing to buckle. It's brilliant from him," Swann, who retired at the end of 2013, told BBC Sport.
"He has an inner steel, stronger than anyone else I've ever known. He's going to fight like hellfire to change it round."
'Brilliant'. Really??
Matt Prior taking break from England duty because of fitness issues
• Wicketkeeper hopes to play for England again
• Prior will miss remainder of series against India
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jul/21/matt-...
• Wicketkeeper hopes to play for England again
• Prior will miss remainder of series against India
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jul/21/matt-...
BlackLabel said:
Matt Prior taking break from England duty because of fitness issues
• Wicketkeeper hopes to play for England again
• Prior will miss remainder of series against India
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jul/21/matt-...
I don't expect he'll be back in the test side which would be a shame if it is the case as to use the old cliché he's been a great servant to English cricket.• Wicketkeeper hopes to play for England again
• Prior will miss remainder of series against India
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/jul/21/matt-...
Got to ask the question of the selectors/management set up etc picking someone who was unfit.
Onions is never getting picked for England.
Robson is also at risk here, he just isn't delivering. Playing cook down the order isn't going to work. He only has three shots.
Finn might come in, but I don't think they will drop broad. In the end Cook sets the fields and tells the bowlers what he wants.
He needs to be telling the bowlers, pitch it up or field at short leg, your call.
Robson is also at risk here, he just isn't delivering. Playing cook down the order isn't going to work. He only has three shots.
Finn might come in, but I don't think they will drop broad. In the end Cook sets the fields and tells the bowlers what he wants.
He needs to be telling the bowlers, pitch it up or field at short leg, your call.
I'm afraid I'm feeling like a complete old fogey these days. Nothing seems to be as it should be.
The next test is starting on a Sunday, the replacement keeper is really a batsman and the Captain, although a terribly nice bloke, really needs to be given the chance to remember why he was a test cricketer in the first place. But he's clinging valiantly on whilst every likely replacement barely seems to have had any leadership experience at all.
The days of Brearley, Knott and Boycott seem so far away. They had rest days on Sundays then......
On a serious note, I have long suspected that the modern fashion of requiring almost all eleven players to have batting skills, simply makes it more likely that one or more of the top five will continually fail.
The next test is starting on a Sunday, the replacement keeper is really a batsman and the Captain, although a terribly nice bloke, really needs to be given the chance to remember why he was a test cricketer in the first place. But he's clinging valiantly on whilst every likely replacement barely seems to have had any leadership experience at all.
The days of Brearley, Knott and Boycott seem so far away. They had rest days on Sundays then......
On a serious note, I have long suspected that the modern fashion of requiring almost all eleven players to have batting skills, simply makes it more likely that one or more of the top five will continually fail.
It's not a surprise that Prior has gone. He almost certainly would have been dropped for the next test anyway. As befits such a distinguished senior player, he has clearly been allowed to jump before he was pushed.
He is obviously very far from fit, which has badly affected his keeping, and his confidence with the bat was brutally shattered by Mitchell Johnson. Prior was once a good player of fast bowling, but now he looks like the proverbial rabbit in the headlights against the short stuff.
I hope he can re-build his form, fitness and confidence but if Jos Buttler does well, we may have seen the
last of Prior in an England shirt.
He is obviously very far from fit, which has badly affected his keeping, and his confidence with the bat was brutally shattered by Mitchell Johnson. Prior was once a good player of fast bowling, but now he looks like the proverbial rabbit in the headlights against the short stuff.
I hope he can re-build his form, fitness and confidence but if Jos Buttler does well, we may have seen the
last of Prior in an England shirt.
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