Cricket: 2014 India tour of England, 9th July-7th September

Cricket: 2014 India tour of England, 9th July-7th September

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Amirhussain

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11,486 posts

162 months

Wednesday 2nd July 2014
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Five tests, five ODIs and one T20. First test begins next Wednesday at headingley. Big news for England is Ben Stokes is back.

England squad for first test:
Alastair Cook, Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Gary Ballance, Ian Bell, Stuart Broad, Chris Jordan , Liam Plunkett, Matt Prior, Sam Robson, Joe Root, Ben Stokes, Chris Woakes

India squad:
M.S. Dhoni, Murali Vijay, Shikhar Dhawan, Gautam Gambhir, Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Rohit Sharma, Ravindra Jadeja, R. Ashwin, Bhuvneshwar Kumar, Mohammed Shami, Ishwar Pandey, Ishant Sharma, Stuart Binny, Varun Aaron, Wriddhiman Saha, Pankaj Singh.

spikeyhead

17,224 posts

196 months

Tuesday 8th July 2014
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Starts tonorrow. Here's hoping for some good cricket.

Amirhussain

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11,486 posts

162 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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spikeyhead said:
Starts tonorrow. Here's hoping for some good cricket.
Think Ben Stokes will get the nod ahead of Chris Jordan.

Gargamel

14,958 posts

260 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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Morning All,

Can I just go on record as saying England are st, We won't win anything with Cook as captain. The Mighty Hammer of Justice is past it, and can no longer get it off the square. The pitches are too slow and Jimmy A is no longer the best bowler in the world. We have no spinner and whilst we are at it Prior is an old man and isn't up to it anymore.


Thank you.


Gargamel

14,958 posts

260 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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BTW in all genuineness, I feel instinctively that India will beat us by 1 - 3 tests.


hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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You think we'll win a test?

I see we lost the toss and are fielding. Cook's captaincy is going to be under the cosh today, big time. They are already trotting along at a run a minute.

Challo

10,043 posts

154 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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I think not having a first choice spinner will really impact us in the long run. No variation and you cannot expect Ali or Root to bowl 25-30 overs between them.

We end up with the 4 quicks running in bowling the same stuff.

BraveSirRobin

842 posts

281 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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Looks like another lifeless pitch and we're struggling to get wickets.
Can't we prepare pitches more suited to our bowling attack?

Challo

10,043 posts

154 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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BraveSirRobin said:
Looks like another lifeless pitch and we're struggling to get wickets.
Can't we prepare pitches more suited to our bowling attack?
We did that before when we had Swanny, so i dont understand why we cant at least try and get a wicket with some pace and bounce.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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ECB needs five day pitches. Agree we should be preparing green wickets with our seam attacks.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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They've put something jolly good into their lunch. 2 wickets taken and only 19 runs conceded in 16 overs. Good show.

Amirhussain

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162 months

Wednesday 9th July 2014
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Challo said:
I think not having a first choice spinner will really impact us in the long run. No variation and you cannot expect Ali or Root to bowl 25-30 overs between them.

We end up with the 4 quicks running in bowling the same stuff.
Wonder if Adil Rashid or Azeem Rafik will get to play for England.

spikeyhead

17,224 posts

196 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Another dull pitch, designed to ensure that five days of cricket occur, but to annoy as many fans as possible so that they are less likely to want to spend lots of money on a ticket in the future. I hate such shortsightedness.

If anyone is in the vicinity, can they give Monty a good hard slap. Then slap him a bit more.

Gargamel

14,958 posts

260 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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spikeyhead said:
Another dull pitch, designed to ensure that five days of cricket occur, but to annoy as many fans as possible so that they are less likely to want to spend lots of money on a ticket in the future. I hate such shortsightedness.

If anyone is in the vicinity, can they give Monty a good hard slap. Then slap him a bit more.
I understand that the pitch situation is probably more an unintended consequence of the new under pitch drainage systems that have been fitted to all test venues. These fast draining systems have made it much more difficult to get a "character" pitch or keep pace in the pitch.

I agree though we should be using home advantage.

Challo

10,043 posts

154 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Gargamel said:
spikeyhead said:
Another dull pitch, designed to ensure that five days of cricket occur, but to annoy as many fans as possible so that they are less likely to want to spend lots of money on a ticket in the future. I hate such shortsightedness.

If anyone is in the vicinity, can they give Monty a good hard slap. Then slap him a bit more.
I understand that the pitch situation is probably more an unintended consequence of the new under pitch drainage systems that have been fitted to all test venues. These fast draining systems have made it much more difficult to get a "character" pitch or keep pace in the pitch.

I agree though we should be using home advantage.
With these drainage systems your basically you tie the hands of the groundsman. Yes they allow more cricket to be played, but pretty much means you get the same pitch at every ground.

Not sure how much difference more grass on the wicket would have made?

Gargamel

14,958 posts

260 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Hard to say of course until both sides have batted, England look quite brittle at the moment so you wouldn't be too confident of them breezing a steady 400 in reply. Especially as I am sure this wicket will take spin on day three onwards.

India are going to post 500+ here, so lets hope Cook can remember how to bat. Vijay by the way has played a beautiful test innings here. Lovely effortless batting.

Nom de ploom

4,890 posts

173 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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hornetrider said:
ECB needs five day pitches. Agree we should be preparing green wickets with our seam attacks.
as someone on TMS said yesterday - might have been vaughnie - this is a chief exec's pitch. 5 days of cricket, 5 days of crowds.

I'm a bit torn here tbh - we see so many 3 and 4 day matches at test level I have no problem with a 5 day pitch, that said however it should offer "something" to bowlers and batsmen alike.

alternatively the england attack might "shock horror" have to work something out for itself.

there seems to be over recent series an almost unshakable faith in off stump line with the odd short ball - seam attack line and lentght hoping it will swing or move off the seam.

its not good enough, there needs to be imho much more variation of pace - jimmy took a wicket yesterday with an off cutter slower delivery - not enough of that kind of variety for me at all.

also to a degree arguments about the pitch are irrelevant until both teams have batted or bowled on it.

its a 5 day match.

could be ideal for cooky to get a big knock and restore his confidence for a puch on in the rest of the series.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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I can easily see us crumbling under scoreboard pressure in our reply I'm afraid. Too many out of form or relative newbies.

Challo

10,043 posts

154 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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Nom de ploom said:
hornetrider said:
ECB needs five day pitches. Agree we should be preparing green wickets with our seam attacks.
alternatively the england attack might "shock horror" have to work something out for itself.

there seems to be over recent series an almost unshakable faith in off stump line with the odd short ball - seam attack line and lentght hoping it will swing or move off the seam.

its not good enough, there needs to be imho much more variation of pace - jimmy took a wicket yesterday with an off cutter slower delivery - not enough of that kind of variety for me at all.
From I saw in the Sri Lanka series we often reverted to trying to bang it in short and hope to catch them in the deep, or they might glove to the keeper.

I agree with you though that they need to offer more variation, and that's where having a true spin option gives that variation, ties up an end and can force wickets. With 4 quick's that pretty bowl the same then once the batsman is set the batsman is set.

spikeyhead

17,224 posts

196 months

Thursday 10th July 2014
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We've suddenly remembered how to bowl