The Official Ryder Cup Thread 2014
Discussion
Escort3500 said:
stu1984 said:
A real lack of class from Mickelson this week for a few things which he said and supposedly did - the litigation statement before the tournament was not necessary (and unlike him I thought), the petulance and lack of acceptance of Watsons decision not to play him on Saturday (even if if he may well have had a point, you must accept, for the benefit of the team the decision of your captain) and finally his words this evening in the post tournament press conference. He has lost a lot of the respect I had for him after him.
Totally agree. I've always like Mickelson; not just his game but the way that he always seemed to take disappointment with a wry smile and lose with good grace, unlike players like Woods for example. However, his behaviour this week was little short of appalling in a sport where the great majority of players display an admirable level of sportsmanlike qualities. He's gone down a lot in my estimation as a result.
Really?Totally agree. I've always like Mickelson; not just his game but the way that he always seemed to take disappointment with a wry smile and lose with good grace, unlike players like Woods for example. However, his behaviour this week was little short of appalling in a sport where the great majority of players display an admirable level of sportsmanlike qualities. He's gone down a lot in my estimation as a result.
I respect someone whose got the balls to be honest.
Fittster said:
Escort3500 said:
stu1984 said:
A real lack of class from Mickelson this week for a few things which he said and supposedly did - the litigation statement before the tournament was not necessary (and unlike him I thought), the petulance and lack of acceptance of Watsons decision not to play him on Saturday (even if if he may well have had a point, you must accept, for the benefit of the team the decision of your captain) and finally his words this evening in the post tournament press conference. He has lost a lot of the respect I had for him after him.
Totally agree. I've always like Mickelson; not just his game but the way that he always seemed to take disappointment with a wry smile and lose with good grace, unlike players like Woods for example. However, his behaviour this week was little short of appalling in a sport where the great majority of players display an admirable level of sportsmanlike qualities. He's gone down a lot in my estimation as a result.
Really?Totally agree. I've always like Mickelson; not just his game but the way that he always seemed to take disappointment with a wry smile and lose with good grace, unlike players like Woods for example. However, his behaviour this week was little short of appalling in a sport where the great majority of players display an admirable level of sportsmanlike qualities. He's gone down a lot in my estimation as a result.
I respect someone whose got the balls to be honest.
Edited by whoami on Sunday 28th September 23:07
Digger said:
whoami said:
Digger said:
Can't find any video though!?
It's there!
"Phil Mickelson"
"phil mickelson ryder cup interview"
Gives me nuffink.
Edited by Digger on Sunday 28th September 23:09
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9494213/mick...
GloverMart said:
stu1984 said:
A real lack of class from Mickelson this week for a few things which he said and supposedly did - the litigation statement before the tournament was not necessary (and unlike him I thought), the petulance and lack of acceptance of Watsons decision not to play him on Saturday (even if if he may well have had a point, you must accept, for the benefit of the team the decision of your captain) and finally his words this evening in the post tournament press conference. He has lost a lot of the respect I had for him after these outbursts.
I'd forgotten about that litigation statement, good spot to bring it back up. Who knows whether there is any disharmony between GMac and RMac but Mickelson was wrong to try to use it as a tool to get under the skin of the Europeans. He probably ended up doing exactly the opposite as both men seem to be hugely popular within their teams. I can imagine Paul McGinley using it as a motivational tool on the first day.And as someone else says, all of this happens in golf which has a generally terrific reputation for sportsmanship and grace.
http://nypost.com/2014/08/31/experts-weigh-in-on-i...
Can't see what the fuss is about.Firstly Mickleson's comment about litigation was obviously in jest, wouldn't surpise me at all if he made sure both players knew it. If anything it was a dig at the press, who tried all week to make a story out of Rory and G-Mac not playing together (and it must be because of the court case) when it was blindingly obvious there was no problem with their friendship.
As for the comments he made at the press conference,he was asked what Azinger had done differently as the last USA winning captain. He made a point of saying the three captains since had strayed from what worked in 2008(not just Watson),and simply gave an honest answer instead of the robotic stuff we listen to from others.The USA lost because player for player they were slightly weeker,couldn't gel at foursomes and hada captain that quite possibly was out of touch with how the RC has moved on,as alluded to in the studio.
Either way Mickleson's still got a damn site more class than Faldo proved to have this week, and more in his little finger than the t
t that shouted out at Reed on the first tee this morning, embarrassing himself,and his own country.If that had been a Yank, we'd be moaning about if for weeks.
was it just me that thought the opening and closing cermonies were rather drab affairs compared with previous ones( and caked with layers of Scottish love-in quotes) and that Di Dougherty's presentation was simply flat?
More importantly there was some magnificient golf played this week,coupled with balls of steel.
As for the comments he made at the press conference,he was asked what Azinger had done differently as the last USA winning captain. He made a point of saying the three captains since had strayed from what worked in 2008(not just Watson),and simply gave an honest answer instead of the robotic stuff we listen to from others.The USA lost because player for player they were slightly weeker,couldn't gel at foursomes and hada captain that quite possibly was out of touch with how the RC has moved on,as alluded to in the studio.
Either way Mickleson's still got a damn site more class than Faldo proved to have this week, and more in his little finger than the t
t that shouted out at Reed on the first tee this morning, embarrassing himself,and his own country.If that had been a Yank, we'd be moaning about if for weeks.was it just me that thought the opening and closing cermonies were rather drab affairs compared with previous ones( and caked with layers of Scottish love-in quotes) and that Di Dougherty's presentation was simply flat?
More importantly there was some magnificient golf played this week,coupled with balls of steel.
Edited by sjc on Monday 29th September 06:33
Speaking of the Yank press.
http://nypost.com/2014/09/28/mickelson-blasts-us-c...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ryder-cup-2014...
http://nypost.com/2014/09/28/mickelson-blasts-us-c...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-ryder-cup-2014...
How does the expression go, a victory has a thousand fathers, a defeat none.
I think Tom Watson made a couple of errors this weekend, to which he has not really answered for, the captain should assume some of the responsibility, so he is to blame there.
However Phil made a big mistake in saying what he said at the press conference. He obviously had a lot on his mind and I actually think he was just trying to say what he thought, but there is a time and place and that was neither. It's like at a party where someone after a drink starts telling you something they think is really important and everyone else just thinks "shut up now for gods sake".
I don't believe he was vindictive to Watson, just didn't have the thought process to listen to how bad it sounded to everyone.Perhaps I am being too kind though.
Jim Furyk came out of the press conference well though. He might make a good captain.
The European team did very very well. It was almost an anticlimax to be honest, normally we are all girding ourselves for a touch and go last day, but this went very smoothly.
Rory and Justin played like old timers leading the youngsters. Impressive.
And apart from the last day Spieth for the americans did well. Very steady headed, I suspect his first major will be in 2015.
I think Tom Watson made a couple of errors this weekend, to which he has not really answered for, the captain should assume some of the responsibility, so he is to blame there.
However Phil made a big mistake in saying what he said at the press conference. He obviously had a lot on his mind and I actually think he was just trying to say what he thought, but there is a time and place and that was neither. It's like at a party where someone after a drink starts telling you something they think is really important and everyone else just thinks "shut up now for gods sake".
I don't believe he was vindictive to Watson, just didn't have the thought process to listen to how bad it sounded to everyone.Perhaps I am being too kind though.
Jim Furyk came out of the press conference well though. He might make a good captain.
The European team did very very well. It was almost an anticlimax to be honest, normally we are all girding ourselves for a touch and go last day, but this went very smoothly.
Rory and Justin played like old timers leading the youngsters. Impressive.
And apart from the last day Spieth for the americans did well. Very steady headed, I suspect his first major will be in 2015.
whoami said:
Great, thanks.... I couldn't find that interview anywhere.Wasn't there controversy in the locker room some years ago when Mickleson refused to shake hands with the Europeans afterwards.
He seems a little petulant.
sjc said:
Can't see what the fuss is about.Firstly Mickleson's comment about litigation was obviously in jest, wouldn't surpise me at all if he made sure both players knew it. If anything it was a dig at the press, who tried all week to make a story out of Rory and G-Mac not playing together (and it must be because of the court case) when it was blindingly obvious there was no problem with their friendship.
As for the comments he made at the press conference,he was asked what Azinger had done differently as the last USA winning captain. He made a point of saying the three captains since had strayed from what worked in 2008(not just Watson),and simply gave an honest answer instead of the robotic stuff we listen to from others.The USA lost because player for player they were slightly weeker,couldn't gel at foursomes and hada captain that quite possibly was out of touch with how the RC has moved on,as alluded to in the studio.
Either way Mickleson's still got a damn site more class than Faldo proved to have this week, and more in his little finger than the tt that shouted out at Reed on the first tee this morning, embarrassing himself,and his own country.If that had been a Yank, we'd be moaning about if for weeks.
was it just me that thought the opening and closing cermonies were rather drab affairs compared with previous ones( and caked with layers of Scottish love-in quotes) and that Di Dougherty's presentation was simply flat?
More importantly there was some magnificient golf played this week,coupled with balls of steel.
There were a couple of reasons why McIlroy and McDowell didn't play together and it had nothing to do with any fallout there was or wasn't. McDowell said before the lineups for the first day were announced that he found that it could be awkward playing with Rory in that format. And also, he added that the dynamic between the pair of them had changed as previously, it had been a sort of uncle/nephew relationship but with McIlroy being number one in the world, that had changed.As for the comments he made at the press conference,he was asked what Azinger had done differently as the last USA winning captain. He made a point of saying the three captains since had strayed from what worked in 2008(not just Watson),and simply gave an honest answer instead of the robotic stuff we listen to from others.The USA lost because player for player they were slightly weeker,couldn't gel at foursomes and hada captain that quite possibly was out of touch with how the RC has moved on,as alluded to in the studio.
Either way Mickleson's still got a damn site more class than Faldo proved to have this week, and more in his little finger than the t
t that shouted out at Reed on the first tee this morning, embarrassing himself,and his own country.If that had been a Yank, we'd be moaning about if for weeks.was it just me that thought the opening and closing cermonies were rather drab affairs compared with previous ones( and caked with layers of Scottish love-in quotes) and that Di Dougherty's presentation was simply flat?
More importantly there was some magnificient golf played this week,coupled with balls of steel.
Edited by sjc on Monday 29th September 06:33
Probably also something to do with their RC experience meaning that they could help more players by being apart than by being together. I'd agree about Faldo though; great player but somewhat classless at times.
I just think that an awful lot of people have massive respect for Tom Watson after his career, especially in Scotland where he won four Open Championships. But Mickelson put the knife in less than an hour after the event, with Watson there, whereas it could have been done in private. Felt really sorry for Watson there.
What was everyone's shot of the tournament?
For me, I have two. Justin Rose's shot from behind a tree yesterday. Looked like a poor lie, behind a tree (albeit a small one) and a fair way to the green. Hit it to just a few feet.
The second one was Martin Kaymer's chip in yesterday. Had that little bit of "Would the ball topple in" excitement at the end but what a superb chip to win the hole and his match. Great stuff.
For me, I have two. Justin Rose's shot from behind a tree yesterday. Looked like a poor lie, behind a tree (albeit a small one) and a fair way to the green. Hit it to just a few feet.
The second one was Martin Kaymer's chip in yesterday. Had that little bit of "Would the ball topple in" excitement at the end but what a superb chip to win the hole and his match. Great stuff.
Gandahar said:
How does the expression go, a victory has a thousand fathers, a defeat none.
I think Tom Watson made a couple of errors this weekend, to which he has not really answered for, the captain should assume some of the responsibility, so he is to blame there.
However Phil made a big mistake in saying what he said at the press conference. He obviously had a lot on his mind and I actually think he was just trying to say what he thought, but there is a time and place and that was neither. It's like at a party where someone after a drink starts telling you something they think is really important and everyone else just thinks "shut up now for gods sake".
I don't believe he was vindictive to Watson, just didn't have the thought process to listen to how bad it sounded to everyone.Perhaps I am being too kind though.
Jim Furyk came out of the press conference well though. He might make a good captain.
The European team did very very well. It was almost an anticlimax to be honest, normally we are all girding ourselves for a touch and go last day, but this went very smoothly.
Rory and Justin played like old timers leading the youngsters. Impressive.
And apart from the last day Spieth for the americans did well. Very steady headed, I suspect his first major will be in 2015.
Good post. I also thought Poulter spoke well in post match interview (apart from grammar obviously). Someone's got to him and told him there's no 'I' in team....we shall see.I think Tom Watson made a couple of errors this weekend, to which he has not really answered for, the captain should assume some of the responsibility, so he is to blame there.
However Phil made a big mistake in saying what he said at the press conference. He obviously had a lot on his mind and I actually think he was just trying to say what he thought, but there is a time and place and that was neither. It's like at a party where someone after a drink starts telling you something they think is really important and everyone else just thinks "shut up now for gods sake".
I don't believe he was vindictive to Watson, just didn't have the thought process to listen to how bad it sounded to everyone.Perhaps I am being too kind though.
Jim Furyk came out of the press conference well though. He might make a good captain.
The European team did very very well. It was almost an anticlimax to be honest, normally we are all girding ourselves for a touch and go last day, but this went very smoothly.
Rory and Justin played like old timers leading the youngsters. Impressive.
And apart from the last day Spieth for the americans did well. Very steady headed, I suspect his first major will be in 2015.
Also feel, not for the first time, the RC means a lot more to the Europeans than the US team. Could be wrong, but interest is definitely waning for them. They need some young guns to put spark back in IMO, this lot just looked like fairly seasoned pros, lacking the real hunger apart from the likes of Spieth.
Our lot in contrast, look like their on a golf tour in Portugal with their local club mates and wholly enjoy it.
The US look like they're off for. Root canal filling. Just a thought.
GloverMart said:
What was everyone's shot of the tournament?
For me, I have two. Justin Rose's shot from behind a tree yesterday. Looked like a poor lie, behind a tree (albeit a small one) and a fair way to the green. Hit it to just a few feet.
The second one was Martin Kaymer's chip in yesterday. Had that little bit of "Would the ball topple in" excitement at the end but what a superb chip to win the hole and his match. Great stuff.
Really difficult.... Poulter's chip in was pretty good too. The winning approach shot from Donaldson?For me, I have two. Justin Rose's shot from behind a tree yesterday. Looked like a poor lie, behind a tree (albeit a small one) and a fair way to the green. Hit it to just a few feet.
The second one was Martin Kaymer's chip in yesterday. Had that little bit of "Would the ball topple in" excitement at the end but what a superb chip to win the hole and his match. Great stuff.
Mickleson showed himself to be the classless tt I have always suspected (Smug face all the time. Mark of a dick)
His lack of respect for an all time great was staggering. You really cant and shouldnt do that with someone inches away from you. By all means do it a day later in the wisconsin daily bugle but not post losing.
Patrick Reed has a very punchable face. Also he looks like someone who would be thanking Jesus for his win.
Bubba is the only one who gets away with that sort of thing.
t I have always suspected (Smug face all the time. Mark of a dick)His lack of respect for an all time great was staggering. You really cant and shouldnt do that with someone inches away from you. By all means do it a day later in the wisconsin daily bugle but not post losing.
Patrick Reed has a very punchable face. Also he looks like someone who would be thanking Jesus for his win.
Bubba is the only one who gets away with that sort of thing.
Rosscow said:
Mind you - Sergio's 3 iron on the par 5 16th and subsequent eagle putt was rediculously good.
The emotion on his face when he made the putt - goose pimple time!
Sergio for me as well. Pressure was on to come back into that game. The emotion on his face when he made the putt - goose pimple time!
Donaldson...as good as the shot was, was a no pressure situation really. 4 up, 4 to play he'd already got the half point needed to retain in the bag...was really just a matter of time to get the full point. (Not trying to take anything away from the shot as it was brilliant, just the combination of factors made Sergios more impressive for me).
Can't give the Rose shot from behind the bush as Kaymer (or was it Stensen) did almost exactly the same thing...can't have been that hard
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