A fishing rod question

[otolith]

There is no stretch in braid. I often use it straight through, but I'm not catching tigerfish. If your rods aren't too stiff and your clutch is set correctly and you aren't too ham fisted, you should be fine.

[slow_poke]

blindswelledrat said:

Oh sorry, and another technical question.
I am using 50lbs braid which I have never used before. Someone said to me that you should always have a mono leader as a shock absorber or the 50lb braid will easily break.
Is this correct?

Kinda bks. Set your drsg right and there's your shock absorber. But it is vital if your fishing a rocky, sharp area. Brsid has less abrasion resistance than mono and will go ping a lot quicker. You know good knots for joining mono to braid?

[HarryW]

If braid has no stretch then you will need a shock leader for casting.

[ManFromDelmonte]

blindswelledrat said:

Oh sorry, and another technical question.
I am using 50lbs braid which I have never used before. Someone said to me that you should always have a mono leader as a shock absorber or the 50lb braid will easily break.
Is this correct?

I would use mono on the end, preferably with a breaking strain of slightly less than your braid. This is how I've always fished when using braid and I don't see why you wouldn't for the sake of a tenner.

[blindswelledrat]

HarryW said:

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[KemP]

blindswelledrat said:

Oh sorry, and another technical question.
I am using 50lbs braid which I have never used before. Someone said to me that you should always have a mono leader as a shock absorber or the 50lb braid will easily break.
Is this correct?

Never heard of this


As another guy said make sure the drag is set on the reels correctly. Never had braid break on me. I use a florocarbon leader on all my rigs as its clear and doesnt spook the fish. Maybe.

Be carful with you knots tho braid doesnt work on all knots

[otolith]

If he's chucking lures or livebaits from a boat, I think 50lb braid will probably be OK for casting.

[blindswelledrat]

Okay, last minute change of plan. Mono it is as it will definitely be rocky.
How long a leader will suffice? (Assuming the rod/clutch will be the man shock absorber)

[Mr Gearchange]

slow_poke said:

blindswelledrat said:

Oh sorry, and another technical question.
I am using 50lbs braid which I have never used before. Someone said to me that you should always have a mono leader as a shock absorber or the 50lb braid will easily break.
Is this correct?

Kinda bks. Set your drsg right and there's your shock absorber. But it is vital if your fishing a rocky, sharp area. Brsid has less abrasion resistance than mono and will go ping a lot quicker. You know good knots for joining mono to braid?

Not in my experience - Mono is a single filament so as soon as you get a slight nick in it it will break easily. Braid is, obviously, a number of strands braided together and both pound for pound and diameter for diameter holds up to a lot more abrasion than nylon.
If you are fishing someone really horribly snaggy and with big sharp rocks I'd consider using a snag leader - something like Kryson Quicksilver which has dynema/kevlar fibres woven into it and it virtually indestructable.
Some people add a mono leader so there is some 'give' when the fish is on a short-line under the rod tip as it has a decent ammount of stretch compared to braid. However, if you're reel has a decent clutch you should be ok.

[otolith]

Were I going to use one, I think I would want one long enough that it's on the reel plus at least a few turns when a fish is under the rod tip.

[KemP]

How much deadbury on the bottom are you expecting? Are fishing baits on the bottom? How long a rod are you casting with?

Id make my leader as long as possible. Normally if I fish with a 6ft rod I have about 8ft of leader. I prefer the leader main knot not to be on the spool when casting. Make sense?

Id go flurocarbon rather than mono.

[slow_poke]

blindswelledrat said:

slow_poke said:

Wire traces?

On this front I have 3 spools of 10m trace wire.
How much wire should I typically leave above the hooks, and how much in total will one trace tend to use. Any ideas anyone?

Hang on, crimps and crimper for the wire? Leave 12 inches as a bite trace, i'd say

[blindswelledrat]

KemP said:

How much deadbury on the bottom are you expecting? Are fishing baits on the bottom? How long a rod are you casting with?

Id make my leader as long as possible. Normally if I fish with a 6ft rod I have about 8ft of leader. I prefer the leader main knot not to be on the spool when casting. Make sense?

Id go flurocarbon rather than mono.

Yes it does make sense. The rods are 12 ft and the answer to the bait-bit is two fold. In the day I will be fishing near the surface and at night I will put some on the bottom for catfish. I wont be doing much casting as Ill probably fish from the boat in the day and place the baits with the boat at night.

[blindswelledrat]

slow_poke said:

Hang on, crimps and crimper for the wire?

Yes!

[KemP]

blindswelledrat said:

Yes it does make sense. The rods are 12 ft and the answer to the bait-bit is two fold. In the day I will be fishing near the surface and at night I will put some on the bottom for catfish. I wont be doing much casting as Ill probably fish from the boat in the day and place the baits with the boat at night.

You would probably get away with 4m leaders. Im not sure how deep you will be fishing but if you are fighting the fish from the boat you shouldnt hit to many rocks and from the shore 4m of leader should be okay.

Just be really really careful with tying the leader to braid. All of my rigs that failed failed here.

[slow_poke]

KemP said:

How much deadbury on the bottom are you expecting? Are fishing baits on the bottom? How long a rod are you casting with?

Id make my leader as long as possible. Normally if I fish with a 6ft rod I have about 8ft of leader. I prefer the leader main knot not to be on the spool when casting. Make sense?

Id go flurocarbon rather than mono.

I'm kinda the same. 3 or 4 turns around the reel for non casting rods, or for casting, have the knot hanging outside the rings entirely.

[otolith]

Of course, if your shock leader is for casting, you can't have the knot off the reel, defeats the object.

[grand cherokee]

Mr Gearchange said:

Not in my experience - Mono is a single filament so as soon as you get a slight nick in it it will break easily. Braid is, obviously, a number of strands braided together and both pound for pound and diameter for diameter holds up to a lot more abrasion than nylon.
If you are fishing someone really horribly snaggy and with big sharp rocks I'd consider using a snag leader - something like Kryson Quicksilver which has dynema/kevlar fibres woven into it and it virtually indestructable.
Some people add a mono leader so there is some 'give' when the fish is on a short-line under the rod tip as it has a decent ammount of stretch compared to braid. However, if you're reel has a decent clutch you should be ok.

totally agree - as a braid only user for over fifteen years I would not ever dream of a 'shock leader' unless for casting distances eg when carping at over 100yds with a 'light' braid mainline - and then I would use a braid shock leader, but I use 30lb Powerpro or Fireline and a 3.5oz lead can be cast 150yds without any form of leader - if you can cast correctly!!

again Quicksilver is superb as are some of the Kevlar braids

I even use 6lb floating braid when trotting a float with a centre pin - superb line control

[Rosscow]

slow_poke said:

blindswelledrat said:

slow_poke said:

Wire traces?

On this front I have 3 spools of 10m trace wire.
How much wire should I typically leave above the hooks, and how much in total will one trace tend to use. Any ideas anyone?

Hang on, crimps and crimper for the wire? Leave 12 inches as a bite trace, i'd say

12" trace for these fkers?!



I'd go for at least a 2' or 3' wire trace personally..... I'd use 12" for pike!

[Rosscow]

BSR, I get the horrible feeling that if you actually hook a monster like the picture above that you are going to st your pants!

Be careful out there!