6 Nations 2015

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Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

246 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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spikeyhead said:
hornetrider said:
Art0ir said:
Heaslip has a suspected broken vertebrae after the knee incident.
Has the other guy been cited? Shocker that one.
BBC reported as cited, which I thought couldn't happen for an incident that the ref had seen. However I do believe that Pape should be given a few months off for it.
I too thought you couldn't be cited for an incident which the referee had addressed at the time, but Finn Russell has been cited for the tackle in the air that he got a yellow for.

Maybe the law has been changed.

Derek Smith

45,703 posts

249 months

Tuesday 17th February 2015
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Corpulent Tosser said:
spikeyhead said:
hornetrider said:
Art0ir said:
Heaslip has a suspected broken vertebrae after the knee incident.
Has the other guy been cited? Shocker that one.
BBC reported as cited, which I thought couldn't happen for an incident that the ref had seen. However I do believe that Pape should be given a few months off for it.
I too thought you couldn't be cited for an incident which the referee had addressed at the time, but Finn Russell has been cited for the tackle in the air that he got a yellow for.

Maybe the law has been changed.
As I posted earlier, a yellow does not stop citing. The RFU will only contemplate a citing for an offence that would generate a red card in the match and therefore a ban. Further, a totting up red does not preclude a citing.


anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 18th February 2015
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Derek Smith said:
Greg66 said:
Only got in for the last quarter. Scotland butchered a draw and possibly a win. Poor discipline, poor decision making, poor execution. Tons of effort, but not sufficiently focused.

Ref was all over the shop though.

Garland and Wales must be concerned right now, both for the 6N and the RWC. They don't look the same side they have been in recent years and that's not where they need to be in the RWC pool o' death.
I think if you saw the whole match you might modify your opinion somewhat.

The Scots were exhausted. It was a very taxing match for them. They had to work harder for each yard I thought.

Their application was just about the best I've seen with them. They lack the skill of the Welsh - that's taken overall - and they had to make up for it with effort.

I felt that the Welsh could have walked it with the same amount of effort as the Scots. Still, it is the win that counts. It was good to see one of the wooden spoon teams improving.

Part of the problem with Wales is that the team picks itself. There's no strength in dept, at least compared to England, and their play is becoming predictable as so easier to counter. England played to a tight game plan against them I thought which negated their strengths. England has the other problem: when players recover there's a choice of whether they play or we keep with a winning side. We are, perhaps, not at our strongest all through but we brought on a player who handn't been in the shirt since 2008 and he scored a try within 2 mins.

Whether we're good enough for the RWC at the moment is another subject of course, but we're playing to plan, playing well, and had a lot on hand against both Wales and Italy. Two big tests to come. It should be exciting.
I don't know. I watched the whole match over the last couple of evenings. Scotland had to work twice as hard as Wales in the second half, yes. But around 68 minutes they should have taken the three points in front of the posts instead of kick and go, and around 72 minuts they had sustained pressure and came away with nothing. Then there were the two long penalty kicks which both failed to make touch... poor decisions, poor execution. It's the old adage: turn pressure into points, of any description. Otherwise you hand confidence and momentum to the other side.

Also noteworthy that Wales used their 5 minutes of being a man up to rack points. Scotland didn't.

All that, I'm not especially looking forward to Eng v Sco, because of that irritatg knack the Scots have of raising their game considerably against us, and tat we have of letting them do it.

irocfan

40,541 posts

191 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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so if Brown can't make it will we see (no)Goode or will we see a proper international player? Maybe Pennel?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31134602

Kermit power

28,682 posts

214 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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irocfan said:
so if Brown can't make it will we see (no)Goode or will we see a proper international player? Maybe Pennel?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31134602
If Pennel does make it, would that be the first time a player has been selected whilst playing for a club in the second tier? Or am I right in thinking there was the occasional appearance by Newcastle props in some of their relegation seasons?

spikeyhead

17,340 posts

198 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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Kermit power said:
irocfan said:
so if Brown can't make it will we see (no)Goode or will we see a proper international player? Maybe Pennel?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/31134602
If Pennel does make it, would that be the first time a player has been selected whilst playing for a club in the second tier? Or am I right in thinking there was the occasional appearance by Newcastle props in some of their relegation seasons?
Wade Dooley used to play for Preston Grasshoppers, who were about five leagues from the top.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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Chris is a seriously talented bloke. It would certainly be rare for someone in the full professional era to make the jump though.

I hope he does, as it will help stop the exodus of young talent from Worcester to get international recognition (at least a little). Dylan Hartley and Tom Wood were both on the books once upon a time. Lost several other real talents along the way too.

steveT350C

6,728 posts

162 months

Thursday 19th February 2015
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Pennel played for the Saxons a couple of weeks ago and was impressive. Gets my vote.

Derek Smith

45,703 posts

249 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/feb/19/pasca...

10 weeks for Pape, which means him missing the rest of the 6N. Heaslip out for the Ireland/England match at least.

I'm not sure the penalty should have been reduced by 5 weeks, according to the Guardian, just for coughing to it once the video evidence was presented.


hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Friday 20th February 2015
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Oh come on Derek, he brought custard creams to the hearing.

epom

11,550 posts

162 months

Saturday 21st February 2015
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Glad to see Johnny Sexton got some more game time under his belt before next weekend.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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And Chris P has been called up to England

spikeyhead

17,340 posts

198 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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Captain Caveman out for Italy after being bitten on the nose by a friends dog

Slaav

4,257 posts

211 months

Monday 23rd February 2015
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I'm not convinced by Goode at 15. Very good club player but that seems to be it for me.

There is a large part of me that wishes Cips had come on at 15 when Brown first went off and played a blinder - he did after all play quite a bit for Wasps there in the earlier years and also in a Heiny final if memory serves me well?

If he had played well at 15, he could have started this next game? Or is that too left field for Lancaster?

I am also a little surprised that Farrell hasn't been picked there smile (despite the injury...)

Pace from the back three is terrifying for a defence and back row in my experience as I was happy smashing anyone near me when I played (rather large No 6 and then as I got older and even fatter, No 4) but if the oppo was a quick bu66er, I and my fellow back row were pretty stuffed unless we double teamed them and that just led to other issues around us. Bl00dy tiring running around after the little bastids as well smile



a311

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5,806 posts

178 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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Brown is definitely out I’d like to see Pennel come in. Goode isn’t a bad player but doesn’t have any pace but is good in the air, decent boot (can place kick but not sure on his range?).

Going to be an interesting game on Sunday, looking at Ireland’s stats they’ve really strangled teams but not done much at all going forward, they’ve also conceded very few turnovers but won very few. I expect them to kick for territory or kick chase all night long, and try to win kickable penalties. If Lancaster and the players can combat that and look to get a half decent start to the game it will interesting to see if Ireland can adapt. Going to be the greatest examination of the English pack of the tournament, I really hope another specialist lock is brought in at the cost on Tom Croft on the bench. We’ve finally got a bit of balance in the backrow and would have much preferred to see a young carrying type 6 brought in to get some game time i.e. Ewers.

Good to see Cipriani has avoided the lure of the French top 14 and signed another deal to stay at Sale I really hope he’s rewarded by the international set up.

Vocal Minority

8,582 posts

153 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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Slaav

he played there for Wasps but that was several years ago - he has played the majority of his rugby at 10 since then. His tackling has improved, but is a little suspect still - and his positioning was never the best at full back either.

With specialist 15s still in the squad my choice would to be to keep him at ten.

London424

12,829 posts

176 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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Ireland's aerial game is very very good. The number of box kicks they challnege for and win is very high so I'm a little worried with Goode (new into the team) and May (not the greatest defensively) being tested here.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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London424 said:
May (not the greatest defensively)
With the (sole) exception of his genuinely stunning try against the ABs, I'm struggling to see his attacking qualities when playing for England. He turns inside too often, runs into tacklers rather than space, and generally looks like a player who doesn't have faith in his own pace.

He also seems to shed a lot of pace when he turns inside, so finds it hard to slip past the defender on the inside quickly while they are still off balance.

a311

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178 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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May
I’d agree he’s a bit of a liability in my eyes. I could live with his flakiness if he did a bit more in attack he’s murdered a few chances in my eyes. He does have genuine pace but needs to back himself more often as he spends far too much time running across the field rather than forwards towards the try line. He also seems to dance on the spot a bit trying to step but is too big and lanky to sell it to the opposition.

There aren’t a great number of other options in my eyes that have at least some experience. Christian Wade has defensive question marks and a lack of international experience. I’d put Jack Nowell in, he doesn’t score that many but is overall a very solid all round player with a good boot. Pre –tournament I’d have said just to stick some solid defensive options for all the ball they were actually getting with Fazlet at #10. The Midfield seems to firing more these days though.

irocfan

40,541 posts

191 months

Tuesday 24th February 2015
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a311 said:
I’d agree he’s a bit of a liability in my eyes. I could live with his flakiness if he did a bit more in attack he’s murdered a few chances in my eyes. He does have genuine pace but needs to back himself more often as he spends far too much time running across the field rather than forwards towards the try line. He also seems to dance on the spot a bit trying to step but is too big and lanky to sell it to the opposition.

There aren’t a great number of other options in my eyes that have at least some experience. Christian Wade has defensive question marks and a lack of international experience. I’d put Jack Nowell in, he doesn’t score that many but is overall a very solid all round player with a good boot. Pre –tournament I’d have said just to stick some solid defensive options for all the ball they were actually getting with Fazlet at #10. The Midfield seems to firing more these days though.
given May's defensive issues I'd go for Wade all day long (in as much as he also has defensive issues but at least he knows where to damn well run!) or Ashton or Nowell or Strettle or Roko (albeit he's injured?)