The Golf Thread - 2015
Discussion
Has anyone got any experience of the Custom Fitting service at AG?
I was in my local AG a few weeks ago getting a club repaired and the chap was talking about custom fit, he reckoned he could get me 20+yards. Now I hit my irons very well, I'm very comfortable with them, and in my last round the only mistake I made with them was an over-club. My putter and Wedge are terrible, and I made more bad shots with my Driver than good ones, but my Irons were good.
Obviously there is an element of sales in their service (they don't do it for free without hoping to get you into a £300 set of irons) but how close to reality are their yardages when you hit your current set?
I was in my local AG a few weeks ago getting a club repaired and the chap was talking about custom fit, he reckoned he could get me 20+yards. Now I hit my irons very well, I'm very comfortable with them, and in my last round the only mistake I made with them was an over-club. My putter and Wedge are terrible, and I made more bad shots with my Driver than good ones, but my Irons were good.
Obviously there is an element of sales in their service (they don't do it for free without hoping to get you into a £300 set of irons) but how close to reality are their yardages when you hit your current set?
tvradict said:
Has anyone got any experience of the Custom Fitting service at AG?
I was in my local AG a few weeks ago getting a club repaired and the chap was talking about custom fit, he reckoned he could get me 20+yards. Now I hit my irons very well, I'm very comfortable with them, and in my last round the only mistake I made with them was an over-club. My putter and Wedge are terrible, and I made more bad shots with my Driver than good ones, but my Irons were good.
Obviously there is an element of sales in their service (they don't do it for free without hoping to get you into a £300 set of irons) but how close to reality are their yardages when you hit your current set?
I'm not sure if they all have the same tracking equipment, but the system in my local one seems very optimistic on yardages and doesn't really seem to pick up that much spin. I was in my local AG a few weeks ago getting a club repaired and the chap was talking about custom fit, he reckoned he could get me 20+yards. Now I hit my irons very well, I'm very comfortable with them, and in my last round the only mistake I made with them was an over-club. My putter and Wedge are terrible, and I made more bad shots with my Driver than good ones, but my Irons were good.
Obviously there is an element of sales in their service (they don't do it for free without hoping to get you into a £300 set of irons) but how close to reality are their yardages when you hit your current set?
I'd be very sceptical of anyone claiming they can get you 20 yds without suggesting a lot of time at the gym or a good few lessons.
How far do you hit your irons now?
Those were the sorts of lines I was thinking along. Reporting short with existing and long with new.
Current yardages are pretty normal I think.
PW 110, 9 125, 8 145, 7 155, 6 165, 5 175, 4 185, 3 200.
The chap did say he thought technology could gain 20yds on its own. I'm using a set of Henry Cotton Blades. However, a few years ago one of my regular playing partners bought a brand new set of TM Tour Burner irons, and kept telling me how I would hit further with his, so I did a back to back test with 8 irons, and hit mine a little further with more control. Confidence with mine and not 'knowing' the other club are both factors that come into play, but no different being handed a club stood in front of a Trackman.
Current yardages are pretty normal I think.
PW 110, 9 125, 8 145, 7 155, 6 165, 5 175, 4 185, 3 200.
The chap did say he thought technology could gain 20yds on its own. I'm using a set of Henry Cotton Blades. However, a few years ago one of my regular playing partners bought a brand new set of TM Tour Burner irons, and kept telling me how I would hit further with his, so I did a back to back test with 8 irons, and hit mine a little further with more control. Confidence with mine and not 'knowing' the other club are both factors that come into play, but no different being handed a club stood in front of a Trackman.
tvradict said:
Those were the sorts of lines I was thinking along. Reporting short with existing and long with new.
Current yardages are pretty normal I think.
PW 110, 9 125, 8 145, 7 155, 6 165, 5 175, 4 185, 3 200.
The chap did say he thought technology could gain 20yds on its own. I'm using a set of Henry Cotton Blades. However, a few years ago one of my regular playing partners bought a brand new set of TM Tour Burner irons, and kept telling me how I would hit further with his, so I did a back to back test with 8 irons, and hit mine a little further with more control. Confidence with mine and not 'knowing' the other club are both factors that come into play, but no different being handed a club stood in front of a Trackman.
In the battle for sales most modern clubs are lengthened and de-lofted to give the perception that, like for like, they're hitting longer, Cobra are notorious for this, their irons sets are almost one club bigger than the numbers suggest.Current yardages are pretty normal I think.
PW 110, 9 125, 8 145, 7 155, 6 165, 5 175, 4 185, 3 200.
The chap did say he thought technology could gain 20yds on its own. I'm using a set of Henry Cotton Blades. However, a few years ago one of my regular playing partners bought a brand new set of TM Tour Burner irons, and kept telling me how I would hit further with his, so I did a back to back test with 8 irons, and hit mine a little further with more control. Confidence with mine and not 'knowing' the other club are both factors that come into play, but no different being handed a club stood in front of a Trackman.
cheddar said:
tvradict said:
Those were the sorts of lines I was thinking along. Reporting short with existing and long with new.
Current yardages are pretty normal I think.
PW 110, 9 125, 8 145, 7 155, 6 165, 5 175, 4 185, 3 200.
The chap did say he thought technology could gain 20yds on its own. I'm using a set of Henry Cotton Blades. However, a few years ago one of my regular playing partners bought a brand new set of TM Tour Burner irons, and kept telling me how I would hit further with his, so I did a back to back test with 8 irons, and hit mine a little further with more control. Confidence with mine and not 'knowing' the other club are both factors that come into play, but no different being handed a club stood in front of a Trackman.
In the battle for sales most modern clubs are lengthened and de-lofted to give the perception that, like for like, they're hitting longer, Cobra are notorious for this, their irons sets are almost one club bigger than the numbers suggest.Current yardages are pretty normal I think.
PW 110, 9 125, 8 145, 7 155, 6 165, 5 175, 4 185, 3 200.
The chap did say he thought technology could gain 20yds on its own. I'm using a set of Henry Cotton Blades. However, a few years ago one of my regular playing partners bought a brand new set of TM Tour Burner irons, and kept telling me how I would hit further with his, so I did a back to back test with 8 irons, and hit mine a little further with more control. Confidence with mine and not 'knowing' the other club are both factors that come into play, but no different being handed a club stood in front of a Trackman.
The guy on YouTube who does reviews and tips and has a range in the south west.. Mark someone? Anyway he debunked TMs claims of how long and far their new irons were buy taking a mizuno jpx iron head and building to the same specs as the TM specs. The Mizuno
Went 3-5 yards longer.
TVR. You are playing pretty old blades which will have old style lofts and standard lengths. Technology doesn't come into it. It is PR bs that makes people think they hit it longer and make them buy wedges to fill in gaps that appear!
Edited by exocet ape on Thursday 22 October 13:10
exocet ape said:
cheddar said:
tvradict said:
Those were the sorts of lines I was thinking along. Reporting short with existing and long with new.
Current yardages are pretty normal I think.
PW 110, 9 125, 8 145, 7 155, 6 165, 5 175, 4 185, 3 200.
The chap did say he thought technology could gain 20yds on its own. I'm using a set of Henry Cotton Blades. However, a few years ago one of my regular playing partners bought a brand new set of TM Tour Burner irons, and kept telling me how I would hit further with his, so I did a back to back test with 8 irons, and hit mine a little further with more control. Confidence with mine and not 'knowing' the other club are both factors that come into play, but no different being handed a club stood in front of a Trackman.
In the battle for sales most modern clubs are lengthened and de-lofted to give the perception that, like for like, they're hitting longer, Cobra are notorious for this, their irons sets are almost one club bigger than the numbers suggest.Current yardages are pretty normal I think.
PW 110, 9 125, 8 145, 7 155, 6 165, 5 175, 4 185, 3 200.
The chap did say he thought technology could gain 20yds on its own. I'm using a set of Henry Cotton Blades. However, a few years ago one of my regular playing partners bought a brand new set of TM Tour Burner irons, and kept telling me how I would hit further with his, so I did a back to back test with 8 irons, and hit mine a little further with more control. Confidence with mine and not 'knowing' the other club are both factors that come into play, but no different being handed a club stood in front of a Trackman.
The guy on YouTube who does reviews and tips and has a range in the south west.. Mark someone? Anyway he debunked TMs claims of how long and far their new irons were by taking a mizuno jpx iron head and building to the same specs as the TM specs. The Mizuno
Went 3-5 yards longer.
TVR. You are playing pretty old blades which will have old style lofts and standard lengths. Technology doesn't come into it. It is PR bs that makes people think they hit it longer and make them buy wedges to fill in gaps that appear!
Edited by exocet ape on Thursday 22 October 13:10
exocet ape said:
I'd put Taylormade down as the worst at jacking lofts and lengthening shafts.
The guy on YouTube who does reviews and tips and has a range in the south west.. Mark someone? Anyway he debunked TMs claims of how long and far their new irons were buy taking a mizuno jpx iron head and building to the same specs as the TM specs. The Mizuno
Went 3-5 yards longer.
TVR. You are playing pretty old blades which will have old style lofts and standard lengths. Technology doesn't come into it. It is PR bs that makes people think they hit it longer and make them buy wedges to fill in gaps that appear!
Absolutely, iron technology hasn't moved far at all. Some of the specs they come out with for clubs now are just ridiculous.The guy on YouTube who does reviews and tips and has a range in the south west.. Mark someone? Anyway he debunked TMs claims of how long and far their new irons were buy taking a mizuno jpx iron head and building to the same specs as the TM specs. The Mizuno
Went 3-5 yards longer.
TVR. You are playing pretty old blades which will have old style lofts and standard lengths. Technology doesn't come into it. It is PR bs that makes people think they hit it longer and make them buy wedges to fill in gaps that appear!
For example the TaylorMade Aeroburner irons have a 6-iron loft of 25.5 degrees and a length of 37.63"
That is bound to go further than the even the 5-iron of the Mizuno MP4 which is 26 degrees with a length of 37.75"
All they have done is jack the loft and the length. Yes, you hit it further but you massively compromise the ability to stop it the other end.
Your irons look nicely gapped as they are, will you really get more benefit from them all going 20 yards further? Surely that will just created a big gap at the short end of your bag? It's all marketing BS.
The idea of wanting irons to go further is daft.
All you want from your irons is that they go in the direction you want, with the flight you want, feel nice, and stop on the green.
If you're upset that your 6 iron doesn't go as far as you'd like.....ta da! Use your bloody 5 iron.
Total non-problem, and another example of manufacturers shamelessly selling an attribute to golfers focussing on the wrong things.
See also: silly names and graphics. (Roketballz? Really? Jeez....)
All you want from your irons is that they go in the direction you want, with the flight you want, feel nice, and stop on the green.
If you're upset that your 6 iron doesn't go as far as you'd like.....ta da! Use your bloody 5 iron.
Total non-problem, and another example of manufacturers shamelessly selling an attribute to golfers focussing on the wrong things.
See also: silly names and graphics. (Roketballz? Really? Jeez....)
SpeckledJim said:
The idea of wanting irons to go further is daft.
Agreed - but the marketing hype worksI played with a 4 handicapper in last weeks tournament and he constantly asked what iron I'd played only to show me that he always played one club less. He was turning himself inside out hitting a sand wedge 120 from the green
On the 17th, a 180 metre par3 with an elevated tee I hit a wind assisted 6 iron and quickly showed him the club stating "9 iron", he went to tee off and I quietly switched my 6 for my 9 and stood, leaning on my club watching his shot, after he hit he came over and asked if I'd really used a 9 so I showed it too him, poor chap didn't know what to say
I've just read through the last few posts.....finally people that haven't fallen for the marketing hype!!
I've been playing these clubs for 20 years, my dad had them 15 years before me (which makes the clubs older than me by the way
) and I'm very comfortable with them, I re gripped them during the summer, after I found out I was playing with grips that were too thin, and my confidence with them is even higher than before. Standing over a ball 160yds out knowing that I can stick it on the green and stop it is a great feeling. The 4 putts to get it in from 10ft.....not so inspiring.
When I was in AG getting my club reshafted, the chap compared it to a new club, Nike I think, and the Nike was a good 2 or 3 inches longer. Just shows how much they've lengthened clubs over the years.
I've been playing these clubs for 20 years, my dad had them 15 years before me (which makes the clubs older than me by the way
) and I'm very comfortable with them, I re gripped them during the summer, after I found out I was playing with grips that were too thin, and my confidence with them is even higher than before. Standing over a ball 160yds out knowing that I can stick it on the green and stop it is a great feeling. The 4 putts to get it in from 10ft.....not so inspiring.When I was in AG getting my club reshafted, the chap compared it to a new club, Nike I think, and the Nike was a good 2 or 3 inches longer. Just shows how much they've lengthened clubs over the years.
cheddar said:
SpeckledJim said:
The idea of wanting irons to go further is daft.
Agreed - but the marketing hype worksI played with a 4 handicapper in last weeks tournament and he constantly asked what iron I'd played only to show me that he always played one club less. He was turning himself inside out hitting a sand wedge 120 from the green
On the 17th, a 180 metre par3 with an elevated tee I hit a wind assisted 6 iron and quickly showed him the club stating "9 iron", he went to tee off and I quietly switched my 6 for my 9 and stood, leaning on my club watching his shot, after he hit he came over and asked if I'd really used a 9 so I showed it too him, poor chap didn't know what to say
Gross for 18.
That is the only standard. The rest is 19th hole bulls
t.(and I hate it when people who are trying to beat me ask me what I just hit. Very poor form.)
SpeckledJim said:
That is the heart of it. Club-selection boasting. There is only one single golf boast worth having.
Gross for 18.
That is the only standard. The rest is 19th hole bullst.
(and I hate it when people who are trying to beat me ask me what I just hit. Very poor form.)
I love listening to the BS from some people. I work with a guy who's off 7. A good player, no doubt, but doesn't hit the ball nearly as far as he claims. Gross for 18.
That is the only standard. The rest is 19th hole bulls
t.(and I hate it when people who are trying to beat me ask me what I just hit. Very poor form.)
He recently bought an R15 driver, and started claiming he'd be hitting it 350yds. I played against him recently and despite the flight from his driver looking very impressive, we pretty much matched each other all the way round off the tee, and I don't really hit it much past 260 this time of year.
Completely agree about irons and lofts. It's gotten ridiculous. It annoys me that people fall for the hype. They'd be so much better off being able to control the ball, but are obsessed with hitting it as far as possible. There's no need these days with hybrids around.
cheddar said:
Love it 
350yd average with a shop bought driver would put him number one in the world for distance
I tried to tell him, but he was having none of it. He was adamant he'd be out past 300 easily. I beat him too. 350yd average with a shop bought driver would put him number one in the world for distance
In other news... I'm playing my 5th round in 6 days tomorrow. My hands are sore from so much golf, but I can't stop. Whenever I've got free time it's all I want to do. I haven't really played well since shooting 77 a couple of weeks ago. Courses are so wet at the moment, so they're playing long.
SpeckledJim said:
If you're upset that your 6 iron doesn't go as far as you'd like.....ta da! Use your bloody 5 iron.
Probably the best, and most simple, advice on the thread.... 
I'm a big guy, 6'4" tall and stocky (fat) with it but because I'm not too supple and can only manage a three quarter swing, my shots don't go as far as they should. Yet it's rarely hindered me because I just go up a club and hit that instead.
roboxm3 said:
Good going - Great FIR and GIR on the back 9 and great putting on the front!
Cheers! The front 9 was actually very similar to the back, except I was chipping from just off the green or using my putter to get up and down, hence the putting stats. Who's playing this weekend? I'm taking a break for a few days. I think my body needs a rest!
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