2014 Cricket World Cup - Official Thread
Discussion
London424 said:
Don't worry everyone...it's a happy dressing room.
Absolutely pathetic management of the team. Not picking your best one day players and then the ones you do pick you shuffle them round the order at the last minute.
Absolute incompetence. This is what you get with a bunch of yes men.
It is pathetic and embarrassing.Absolutely pathetic management of the team. Not picking your best one day players and then the ones you do pick you shuffle them round the order at the last minute.
Absolute incompetence. This is what you get with a bunch of yes men.
Do we need to make any changes to the bowling line-up??? Austrailia hit a huge score in the first game, and NZ picked us off in only 12 overs with McCullum hitting the quickest 50 in 18 balls.
Why is treadwell not in the team? Is Finn becoming too easy to hit?? Aus knocked him for 7 an over in the first game, and went for 49 off 2 against NZ.
Why is treadwell not in the team? Is Finn becoming too easy to hit?? Aus knocked him for 7 an over in the first game, and went for 49 off 2 against NZ.
The only good thing about this is at least I'm blissfully asleep. Just watched the highlights. Southee and Mccullum were just awesome.
Personally never liked moors first time round. I never liked KP as a person. Infact a lot of the great cricketers I have never liked as a person. I've met a few. But he was and still is our best batsmen. Yes men don't win cricket matches.
I'd love NZ to go and win this.
Personally never liked moors first time round. I never liked KP as a person. Infact a lot of the great cricketers I have never liked as a person. I've met a few. But he was and still is our best batsmen. Yes men don't win cricket matches.
I'd love NZ to go and win this.
johnfm said:
speedy_thrills said:
New Zealand play Australia in about a week. Australia have a really talented team at the moment and New Zealand will want to make them feel pressure.
Remember the Australians can't under-arm bowl any more either.
Should be an interesting match. Kiwis should have home advantage - will be interesting if Boult and Southee swing the ball. Remember the Australians can't under-arm bowl any more either.
Looking forwards to the Aussie-New Zealand game! New Zealand are on a roll at the moment, but I think the Aussies will win that contest.
As for England, bloody hell, is Eoin Morgan trying to pay tribute to Alastair Cook? Embarrassingly embarrassing.
Well for those of us who have been saying that we need to rip down the entire ECB structure and start again, sack the lot of them and put in a NON CRICKET Chairperson.
Coaching staff are not performing, team is talented, but not able to bring it when they need it. Sell Ian Bell or Borad for details. Both world class on their day, their day is only about 1 in 20 performances.
Total Crap
What an embarrassment. Have a few acquaintances that have gone out there to watch the world cup and follow England and this is how they are treated.
The ECB obviously don't give a s
t about odi cricket (and perhaps some players feel the same) which is their choice however one day soon test cricket will decline in England (it already has to some extent with attendances dropping slightly and tickets taking way longer to sell out). I mean who the fk wants to pay money to watch the English test team demolish disinterested teams like the West Indies and India every few years. When that happens the one day game will be needed in order to bring in more money for English cricket.
English cricket bosses take the fans for granted - expensive test tickets, no free-to-air cricket etc. One day the supporters will just walk away.
I really thought England would get to the semis but that prediction now looks rather silly.
The ECB obviously don't give a s
t about odi cricket (and perhaps some players feel the same) which is their choice however one day soon test cricket will decline in England (it already has to some extent with attendances dropping slightly and tickets taking way longer to sell out). I mean who the fk wants to pay money to watch the English test team demolish disinterested teams like the West Indies and India every few years. When that happens the one day game will be needed in order to bring in more money for English cricket.English cricket bosses take the fans for granted - expensive test tickets, no free-to-air cricket etc. One day the supporters will just walk away.
I really thought England would get to the semis but that prediction now looks rather silly.
Edited by BlackLabel on Friday 20th February 12:54
Can't add much more , its hugely embarrassing. I'm sure one of the better teams in the Yorkshire leagues would have done a better job. Should we lose to one of the minnows then Moores will be under the cosh . I wonder if Trott is ready for a comeback in the summer ?
Morgan has said there will be no wholesale changes , in a way I agree they have got England into a mess as sportsmen they should get out there and start winning. Too many players live on the odd good game every 30 ODIs added to the management have no idea what is the best team.
Morgan has said there will be no wholesale changes , in a way I agree they have got England into a mess as sportsmen they should get out there and start winning. Too many players live on the odd good game every 30 ODIs added to the management have no idea what is the best team.
BlackLabel said:
What an embarrassment. Have a few acquaintances that have gone out there to watch the world cup and follow England and this is how they are treated.
The ECB obviously don't give a st about odi cricket (and perhaps some players feel the same) which is their choice however one day soon test cricket will decline in England (it already has to some extent with attendances dropping slightly and tickets taking way longer to sell out). When that happens the one day game will be needed in order to bring in more money for English cricket.
English cricket bosses take the fans for granted - expensive test tickets, no free-to-air cricket etc. One day the supporters will just walk away.
I really thought England would get to the semis but that prediction now looks rather silly.
Well this exactly. They are running cricket into being even more of a minority sport. I have given up going to Test Matches, a day out at Lords is running close to £400 for two people. Just not worth it (especially if you have no real stars) The ECB obviously don't give a s
t about odi cricket (and perhaps some players feel the same) which is their choice however one day soon test cricket will decline in England (it already has to some extent with attendances dropping slightly and tickets taking way longer to sell out). When that happens the one day game will be needed in order to bring in more money for English cricket.English cricket bosses take the fans for granted - expensive test tickets, no free-to-air cricket etc. One day the supporters will just walk away.
I really thought England would get to the semis but that prediction now looks rather silly.
Leithen said:
What is it about English sport? Rugby, Cricket, Football. Enormous player bases, both amateur and professional and a complete inability to convert that into dominance on the world stage.
Something very rotten at the heart of it all - to my mind it's all money related.
Apart from when you were #1 test nation and won the Ashes a few times in a row, won the Rubg my World Cup, won a shed load of gold medals at the Olympics etc etcSomething very rotten at the heart of it all - to my mind it's all money related.
It's only one game of ODI cricket - not the end of the world vis a vis British Sport.
johnfm said:
It's only one game of ODI cricket.
It's more than that. A lot more. We are playing light years away from the southern hemisphere teams ... that all comes back to history, training, coaching, mindset, youth set up, management, in fact everything!After every World Cup we say, yes, we'll start to plan for the next one etc - and then two years away from it we're playing s
te, then we get to it and we're still playing ste, with players who you think - hang on, these aren't modern one-day players like the other top teams seem to have ...The one-day game is just a slightly longer Twenty20 for a lot of these *modern* players - the McCullums, the Kohlis, the Finchs... it's not like the old one-dayers of our youth ... WI won the first WC in 1975 scoring 261 - OFF SIXTY OVERS! FFS!!
We're still stuck playing cricket from the 90s, hit a few fours in the first 10 overs, then just push the singles round in the middle overs, and the odd two and boundary, then in the last 5-10 overs, swing the bat and run like hell ... that is just old hat. We have standard field placings for most of the opponent's innings, fielders on the ring etc - a lot of other sides, have people in what look like strange positions but they've obviously done thweir homework on opposing players. Then to cap it all, we have Anderson come on last night, our TOP swing bowler, who starts to bowl from the OTHER end to Southee ... just mindless.
The fact we had Cook as one-day capt up until a few games ago says it all really as to our approach. The fact we haven't got Carbery (one of the the Top English Twenty20 players - and that is how other teams are approaching these opening overs, like a game of Twenty20) out there opening with Hales, says it all ... we have Ian f
king Bell opening the innings ffs ... now he is a decent player with a sound technique and I'm not against him being in the team, but opening, come on! I even think Jos Buttler could become a Gilchrist type player and he ended up openging in the end I think in the shorter forms ... but we've got to be far more adventurous with our game and tactics. Everyone else has moved on, the minnows are getting better all the time - and we're not, put simply.
Stuart f
king Broad, my god. You're a lanky streak of pi55 okay, but batting like a girl, ffs - get in fking line for christ's sake! wker.I was sitting there last night, looking blankly into the iPad watching on SkyGo - and NZ were 96-0 OFF SIX OVERS! My face had no expression, I was shocked, f
king shocked!In footy terms, it was like England losing away to Belgium 7-0. Opponents, couple of decent players, maybe one world class, but nothing more, do nothing at major tourneys etc ... can you imagine the English press if that happened? Jesus ... this is as bad ... who's got another bail to burn?
Edited by uk66fastback on Friday 20th February 14:31
Challo said:
McCullum hitting the quickest 50 in 18 balls.
It was actually the quickest world cup 50. AB De Villiers has the fastest 50, of 16 balls against West Indies. Anyone remember the game Stick Cricket? Playing the easy teams, that's what McCullums innings reminded me of. Total and utter humiliation.
johnfm said:
Leithen said:
What is it about English sport? Rugby, Cricket, Football. Enormous player bases, both amateur and professional and a complete inability to convert that into dominance on the world stage.
Something very rotten at the heart of it all - to my mind it's all money related.
Apart from when you were #1 test nation and won the Ashes a few times in a row, won the Rubg my World Cup, won a shed load of gold medals at the Olympics etc etcSomething very rotten at the heart of it all - to my mind it's all money related.
It's only one game of ODI cricket - not the end of the world vis a vis British Sport.
The Test success / Ashes success is looking like a blip - the exception to prove the rule. It was fun while it lasted. As has been mentioned above, the limited overs game has moved on without England catching the train.
The same applies to Rugby Union. One Rugby World Cup win. The player base is enormous - and yet few would argue we exploit anything like the available potential.
And football - well enough said. Never have the consequences of the pursuit of money been laid more bare.
It sounds counter-intuitive, but in nearly all cases I'd argue that less is more. The lure of television money leads to too many fixtures, not enough development of skill and strategy and the wrong people in charge. Spread your assets too thin and you lessen your return. The professional world of sport is a strange beast.
I'm not really arguing England ought to dominate, instead that with the resources available, in each sport the international teams ought to be consistently one of the top contenders.
Some really below average batting. Southee bowled very well and swung the ball - but at 84mph it's hardly unplayable. Woakes and Bell just played around gentle out swingers. Taylor and Ali got good yorkers - but not 95mph yorkers, A top order batsman should be keeping those out.
I don't think Southee and Boult are good enough to win the cup for the kiwis. Good batsmen will deal with them.
SA v OZ final?
I don't think Southee and Boult are good enough to win the cup for the kiwis. Good batsmen will deal with them.
SA v OZ final?
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