English Cricket Summer Tests 2016 - NZ & Aus

English Cricket Summer Tests 2016 - NZ & Aus

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zygalski

7,759 posts

145 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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johnfm said:
DJRC said:
johnfm said:
Legend83 said:
As much as it fun to watch McCullum, that is truly dreadful and selfish test batting.
McCullum is confusing 'attacking' and 'aggressive' with slogging.

Threw is wicket at Lords in the first innings. Really has no idea what test cricket is about and how to win.
Apart from having not lost a Test in two yrs until Monday wasn't it?
fk knows how (other than most tests at home against WI, India and SL) - not his batting that's for certain. Averages less than 40 in all forms of the game. His batting is just childish in the long form of the game. Great in a T20 slugfest though. Useful in a 50 over game too.
McCullum's test match average in 2014 was 73, scoring 1164 runs from 16 innings.
His run of form has been abruptly ended by the quality of the English attack.

spikeyhead

17,312 posts

197 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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Bowl at the stumps
Bowl at the stumps
Bowl at the stumps
Bowl at the stumps
Bowl at the stumps
Bowl at the stumps
Bowl at the stumps

Leithen

10,878 posts

267 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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The inability to bowl a yorker in Yorkshire is particularly galling.

spikeyhead

17,312 posts

197 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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Well done Chef, now Englands leading test run scorer at age 30 and many seasons left in him.

spikeyhead

17,312 posts

197 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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50 for Lyth, with a century opening partnership.

johnfm

13,668 posts

250 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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zygalski said:
McCullum's test match average in 2014 was 73, scoring 1164 runs from 16 innings.
His run of form has been abruptly ended by the quality of the English attack.
McCullum has a had a decent year. His career stats are not great.

NZ 0-148 at Lords. 300-2. Made 500 in first innings. Your bowers had one good session and NZ threw away the game.

300 in 2 sessions yesterday. 50 in the first 7 overs today by number 10 & 11.

Quality bowling attack.



spikeyhead

17,312 posts

197 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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163 without loss at tea, satisfactory so far, if unspectacular, however there are still 10 sessions of this match to go, so bat for another six then bowl them out.

DJRC

23,563 posts

236 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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Chef gone for 75.

To be honest Im not that fussed, they seem to have got themselves bogged down after tea so this might shake things up and move them along a bit.

spikeyhead

17,312 posts

197 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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DJRC said:
Chef gone for 75.

To be honest Im not that fussed, they seem to have got themselves bogged down after tea so this might shake things up and move them along a bit.
Are you not feeling well? Grind the buggers down, wear them out and once they're worn out, keep grinding them some more, surely? If only as practice for what's to come later this summer.

DocJock

8,357 posts

240 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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DJRC said:
Chef gone for 75.

To be honest Im not that fussed, they seem to have got themselves bogged down after tea so this might shake things up and move them along a bit.
By having Ballance come in with his strike rate of around 25 you mean? wink

Gargamel

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14,986 posts

261 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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202/1 is a decent score in any conditions/pitch

Kiwis struggling have gone into the game with only four frontline bowlers.

Great to see Lyth get a score, perfect timing and settles him in for the rest of the summer.

English bowling attack is still a little inconsistent, but I like the look of Wood, seems to have something slightly different. Broad remains an expensive bowler, but a wicket taker.


Gargamel

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14,986 posts

261 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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DocJock said:
By having Ballance come in with his strike rate of around 25 you mean? wink
Three fours of that over, so not too shabby

DJRC

23,563 posts

236 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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spikeyhead said:
DJRC said:
Chef gone for 75.

To be honest Im not that fussed, they seem to have got themselves bogged down after tea so this might shake things up and move them along a bit.
Are you not feeling well? Grind the buggers down, wear them out and once they're worn out, keep grinding them some more, surely? If only as practice for what's to come later this summer.
It wasn't that kind of context though. The bowlers were throttling the batsmen, rather than batsman frustrating them. In the end it was very high class bowling and a thorough examination of Adam L and his patience.

RichB

51,566 posts

284 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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Grind them down eh wink trailing by 100 and not much batting left to come. Predictions? I reckon all out for around 325 after the first innings. Probably NZ just edged that day.

Gargamel

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14,986 posts

261 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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200 for 1, 253 for 5

Our "world class" middle order, looking pretty ordinary today.

Anyway, the Hammer of Justice is still out there, so that's a bonus, he needs to scratch himself back into form.
But Ballance running out the Lyth was just poor.

Anyway, reckon we will get to par, but it could and should have been a little better than that.


spikeyhead

17,312 posts

197 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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A few bits of carelessness today, but Bell, Buttler and Moeen still to swing the wood, then Wood and Broad, with Jimmy holding an end up for a while at the end. A lot will depend on the overhead conditions, if there's swing for the bowlers then we'll have to work hard to reach par, otherwise we should be capable of getting 50-100 ahead.

dav123a

1,220 posts

159 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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That last hour NZ really bowled well , new ball and cloud cover really made a difference. The game is 50\50 really need the rest to bat well and get another 150 minimum. Lyth played well , nice to see him score a hundred at Headingley.

zetec

4,468 posts

251 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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Gargamel said:
200 for 1, 253 for 5

Our "world class" middle order, looking pretty ordinary today.

Anyway, the Hammer of Justice is still out there, so that's a bonus, he needs to scratch himself back into form.
But Ballance running out the Lyth was just poor.

Anyway, reckon we will get to par, but it could and should have been a little better than that.
As much as I admire Cook as an opening batsman, he is not a match winner. Had he and Lythe carried on batting I could see England at 250/0 at stumps, still 100 runs behind going into day 3 with rain forecast. The middle order HAD to accelerate in order to make a game of it, but with a new ball the NZ bowlers had the upper hand.

spikeyhead

17,312 posts

197 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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zetec said:
Gargamel said:
200 for 1, 253 for 5

Our "world class" middle order, looking pretty ordinary today.

Anyway, the Hammer of Justice is still out there, so that's a bonus, he needs to scratch himself back into form.
But Ballance running out the Lyth was just poor.

Anyway, reckon we will get to par, but it could and should have been a little better than that.
As much as I admire Cook as an opening batsman, he is not a match winner. Had he and Lythe carried on batting I could see England at 250/0 at stumps, still 100 runs behind going into day 3 with rain forecast. The middle order HAD to accelerate in order to make a game of it, but with a new ball the NZ bowlers had the upper hand.
Would you rather be at 253/5 than 250/0?

We only need a draw to win the series, it's NZ that need to chase the game. See off the new ball, wear their bowlers out and then up the rate. It's called test cricket because it's a test. A series of tests. Chef is too negative as a captain, but to suggest that we'd be better off losing five wickets for a extra three runs is a view that I'm struggling to understand.

Challo

10,125 posts

155 months

Saturday 30th May 2015
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johnfm said:
DJRC said:
johnfm said:
Legend83 said:
As much as it fun to watch McCullum, that is truly dreadful and selfish test batting.
McCullum is confusing 'attacking' and 'aggressive' with slogging.

Threw is wicket at Lords in the first innings. Really has no idea what test cricket is about and how to win.
Apart from having not lost a Test in two yrs until Monday wasn't it?
fk knows how (other than most tests at home against WI, India and SL) - not his batting that's for certain. Averages less than 40 in all forms of the game. His batting is just childish in the long form of the game. Great in a T20 slugfest though. Useful in a 50 over game too.
It's quite refreshing to see how NZ play the test format. Michael Vaughan on TMS made a good point, they are a very strong T20 and ODI side, so take those strengths into the longer format of the game. They want to attack and are willing to take there chances. In both tests no matter if they lose wickets they would rather get the runs on the board and score around 4 an over, England would prefer to go at 2 an over.
Just because they don't want to grind out scores and bat for 4 days doesn't make it childish. They would rather get on with it and try and get a result.
Wouldn't hurt England to take a few more chances when batting.