English Cricket Summer Tests 2016 - NZ & Aus

English Cricket Summer Tests 2016 - NZ & Aus

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Gargamel

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14,993 posts

261 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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I don't know about this. Lots of tears for bowler stats, but I watched an interesting piece on the C5 show last night.

It shoes three different ball release positions from Finn and Stokes, the cutter, a back of the hand release and a knuckle ball (scrambling the seam)

There are variations out there for good bowlers, I think Wood only went for 5 an over yesterday, so it is possible.

Black caps skip said, England scored 34 boundaries off too short bowling, so the case for better bowling is surely still in the hands of the bowlers ?

Rashid can hardly complain about being smashed for 28 off an over, they were utter pies, too short, no spin and lacking any kind of pace.

Challo

10,155 posts

155 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Gargamel said:
I don't know about this. Lots of tears for bowler stats, but I watched an interesting piece on the C5 show last night.

It shoes three different ball release positions from Finn and Stokes, the cutter, a back of the hand release and a knuckle ball (scrambling the seam)

There are variations out there for good bowlers, I think Wood only went for 5 an over yesterday, so it is possible.

Black caps skip said, England scored 34 boundaries off too short bowling, so the case for better bowling is surely still in the hands of the bowlers ?

Rashid can hardly complain about being smashed for 28 off an over, they were utter pies, too short, no spin and lacking any kind of pace.
I think there is a couple of things bowlers can do. 1) Consistency - Being able to bowl the exact delivery you want to bowl every ball. Its a very hard task to hit the money 6 out of 6. 2) Variation - Bowlers need to have the ability to bowl yorkers, slower balls, cutters etc. Hitting the seam is good in test cricket, not as good in ODI's. 3) Bowling to a plan/field - Often a plan is put in place, and then the bowler doesn't bowl to the field.

Watching the IPL you can see how the best bowlers play batsman. Yes they get carted around at times but they can also tie up an end, and get batsman out. Starc is the prime example of one of the best death bowlers. 90mph left arm in swinging yorkers will get most batsman out.


Cheib

23,260 posts

175 months

Thursday 18th June 2015
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Leithen said:
Sat watching the end of the England innings with Mrs L remarking what a transformation had taken place. Confidence, aggression, along with great sportsmanship - what's not to like.

Unless of course you are a bowler....

Interesting article in today's Times by Michael Atherton putting the development and advances in batting against the physical and technical limits of bowling. The gist is that like horse racing, bowlers are not going to physically develop any more and are limited by tendon and ligament fragility.

The hint was that perhaps it would be necessary to relax the strict arm action rules that has neutered a number of spinners such as Saeed Ajmal, who is a shadow of his former self having had to alter the straightening of his arm.
They were talking about this on Sky last night. Apparently we have been using the Kookaburra ball for three or four years in England in ODI's. Suggestion is to switch to the Duke/Reader as it's got a bigger seam and thus gives the bowler more to work with.

Reality is for a seamer with the current ball unless you are 90 mph quick or can bowl a yorker everything can be scored off. Bowlers need to find the variety batmsen now have....use the crease more....be happy to switch around the wicket (and back) during overs and obviously pace and length. There's 4 ft either side of the stumps...they need to use all of it!


SydneyBridge

8,617 posts

158 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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England win toss and bowl.

This series, 4 matches

2676 runs at an Ave of 7.32 an over

England average 356.3

7 maidens, 3 of those from Finn

6.5 balls per boundary

269 fours and 69 sixes

SydneyBridge

8,617 posts

158 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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6 and a wicket in first over

Great music, will young, leave right now as he walks off

Gargamel

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14,993 posts

261 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Less than five an over, what is going in ?

Seems a decent pitch, bowlers seem to be getting it right so far.

Still expect a 300 total though


johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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this 5 an over stuff is sold old school.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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johnxjsc1985 said:
this 5 an over stuff is sold old school.
smile

Gargamel

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14,993 posts

261 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Eight down, NZ struggling to make 260.


hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Couple of good overs here could still see 275.

FourWheelDrift

88,541 posts

284 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Damn, means we can't get another 300+ and set new records.

RichB

51,591 posts

284 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Or 280?

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Nice little wag there. Should knock these off in oh, about 35 overs.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Hmmm. I'm going to take a wild stab at another D/L stitch up.

Leithen

10,909 posts

267 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Can someone please explain Duckworth fking Lewis to me? NZ score at 5 an over and we're given a shortened innings at 7 an over.

What the fk?

SydneyBridge

8,617 posts

158 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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I don't think anyone can explain it

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

164 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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SydneyBridge said:
I don't think anyone can explain it
I think strong drugs where used .

Gargamel

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14,993 posts

261 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Leithen said:
Can someone please explain Duckworth fking Lewis to me? NZ score at 5 an over and we're given a shortened innings at 7 an over.

What the fk?
It is to do with wickets, so shortened innings, but we are unlikely To be bowled out, so we can fling the bat a bit more from the start.

I do agree though, looks a little steep and spoils the work done by the bowlers.

dav123a

1,220 posts

159 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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I think it's time for the DL formula to be updated. Seems a tough target.

SydneyBridge

8,617 posts

158 months

Saturday 20th June 2015
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Doesn't even make much sense on the D/L website...

http://www.duckworth-lewis.com/home.aspx