The **BOXING** thread Vol 2

[lord trumpton]

FredClogs said:

lord trumpton said:

tuscaneer said:

caterhamboy said:

I really loving reading the boxing thread, ( although never contributed before) but thought i would post regarding this topic.

I have been a veggie since i was 5, the only one in the family. Caused many a problem growing up in the 70's!! Why i'm a veggie i'm not sure, not against anyone eating meat. But just never have wanted to eat it myself. One thing i can tell you is i really easily put on muscle and can lose weight very easily. I'm 5'11 and 15st but carry no fat and don't train.

i take your points on board mate...that's applicable to you not training....but if you trained with anything like the intensity of a pro boxer you would more than likely hit a brick wall very quickly....it wouldn't take long before you ran out of steam. haye's explosive training footage shows me a guy that shouldn't be able to do what he does/look like he looks while not fueling his body in a manner most athletes would

Because he's on the gear

Hmmm, I do believe you can get that big on a veggie diet, vegan's harder but there's plenty of non animal protein you can get into.

Steroids and stuff only help you recover faster they don't provide the basic proteins and amino acids and that you need to build muscle, you still have to get that from your diet.

That said I know fk all about all that, but I'd like to think there is someone in the heavyweight division not tripping balls on all sorts of chemical nasties.

I used to take the gear in my 20's (20 years ago) for bodybuilding. it was just anabolics then.

These days they are on GH, cocktails of different steriod stacks and probably even more than I know.

Nothing on earth chases fat and builds muscle like steroids.

[m4tti]

Well Haye is back in the U.K!

I think Bellew is going the way of Enzo Macaroni... I wonder if Haye will do his usual fact finding first round, and splatter him in the second or go straight for him.

[m4tti]

[Amirhussain]

Came across these two fights from yesteryear. Enjoy

Hamed vs Kelley, four rounds, six knockdowns
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=116559...

Trinidad vs Mayorga
https://youtu.be/nHjItwoPx60

[Yiliterate]

Absolute scum, whoever did this...

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/michael-watson-hos...

[RumbleOfThunder]

Yiliterate said:

Absolute scum, whoever did this...

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/michael-watson-hos...

fking WISH they tried that bks on The Force back in the day. Hope they're both alright.

[m4tti]

Shame it was Michael... if they'd tried this st on Nigel today they'd have a collection of injuries.

[tuscaneer]

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/scott-quigg-teams-...

[FredClogs]

tuscaneer said:

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/scott-quigg-teams-...

Surprise, you can't get good black pudding in L.A, he'll be back.

[m4tti]

Latest from Bellew. He's been sparring dereck chisora in preparation for haye. It's all a bit cringey..

"Del Boy is a true heavyweight. I'm fighting this guy and in my opinion, he's not a true heavyweight, he's a big cruiserweight. I'm facing something that I've seen before."

I wonder if he actually owns a television and saw what happened to chisora when he fought haye.

Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 21st February 07:29

[RumbleOfThunder]

m4tti said:

Latest from Bellew. He's been sparring dereck chisora in preparation for haye. It's all a bit cringey..

"Del Boy is a true heavyweight. I'm fighting this guy and in my opinion, he's not a true heavyweight, he's a big cruiserweight. I'm facing something that I've seen before."

I wonder if he actually owns a television and saw what happened to chisora when he fought haye.

Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 21st February 07:29

He'd be better sparring a Cruiser more in Haye's stylistic mold. Dereck sounds like terrible preparation.

[m4tti]

That's what I was thinking. The polar opposite of Haye... as much as chisoras good to watch he's fairly ponderous and chucks windmills that the back row can see coming. Like you say a cruiser or maybe even a more nimble heavy weight like Povetkin. Maybe Pulev.

Although I can't really think of many people currently that have all of Hayes attributes.

Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 21st February 08:05

Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 21st February 11:09

[StuTheGrouch]

Can someone clarify something for me?

AJ is fighting Klitschko soon, for the WBA 'super' title. I thought that the super title was only given to a champion who possessed 2x regular titles. So, there's the IBF belt from AJ, so how is this fight for the super title?

On a related note, if the WBA regular champion (vacant in the heavyweight division) retains their title 5 times then they get promoted to the status of 'super champion'. So should that happen then either AJ or Klitchsko get stripped of the super belt. WTF?

I've always ignored the WBA interim, regular and super st, but as AJ is now mixed up in it I'd like to know more.

Edit- just seen that the vacant IBO belt is also up for grabs. That probably explains it.

Edited by StuTheGrouch on Tuesday 21st February 11:21

[StuTheGrouch]

m4tti said:

Latest from Bellew. He's been sparring dereck chisora in preparation for haye. It's all a bit cringey..

"Del Boy is a true heavyweight. I'm fighting this guy and in my opinion, he's not a true heavyweight, he's a big cruiserweight. I'm facing something that I've seen before."

I wonder if he actually owns a television and saw what happened to chisora when he fought haye.

Bellew is getting utterly destroyed by Haye. I cannot see a way in which it could be any different.

On the 'facing something I've seen before', is Bellew referring to Stevenson (a light heavy) who beat the st out of him?

[Robatr0n]

StuTheGrouch said:

Bellew is getting utterly destroyed by Haye. I cannot see a way in which it could be any different.

On the 'facing something I've seen before', is Bellew referring to Stevenson (a light heavy) who beat the st out of him?

He's referring to the sparring they had many many years ago whereby he claimed to have got the better of Haye.

Unless Haye is a shadow of his former self, this is a very easy fight for him.

[272BHP]

Is there a website where it details what boxing matches are scheduled and if they are shown on TV?

I have missed a few fights over the years when I did not realise TV coverage was on.

Thanks.

[Yiliterate]

StuTheGrouch said:

Can someone clarify something for me?

AJ is fighting Klitschko soon, for the WBA 'super' title. I thought that the super title was only given to a champion who possessed 2x regular titles. So, there's the IBF belt from AJ, so how is this fight for the super title?

On a related note, if the WBA regular champion (vacant in the heavyweight division) retains their title 5 times then they get promoted to the status of 'super champion'. So should that happen then either AJ or Klitchsko get stripped of the super belt. WTF?

I've always ignored the WBA interim, regular and super st, but as AJ is now mixed up in it I'd like to know more.

Edit- just seen that the vacant IBO belt is also up for grabs. That probably explains it.

Edited by StuTheGrouch on Tuesday 21st February 11:21

Really don't know what your issue is. The boxing fraternity is by and large in agreement that having multiple WBA champions per division makes no sense. The WBA has taken on board that feedback and has decided it is committed to having but one champion per division. Now, due to some 'unfortunate' circumstances, the WBA currently has no heavyweight title-holders. So, in summary, they have no heavyweight champions and they want one heavyweight champion.

Now, I ask you, if you have no champions and you want to have one champion, can you think of a more obvious or straightforward way of doing this than simply setting up fights to create two champions, then seeing if, somewhere down the road, you might be able to persuade those two champions, if they're not too busy doing anything else, to maybe, you know, possibly have a think about fighting each other so there's only one champion...???

Makes sense to me!

[tuscaneer]

On a totally unrelated topic I see an ancient punch drunk shell of himself in Roy Jones has just knocked out the notorious Bobby gunn in 6 one sided rounds.....you know the one, the bare knuckle world champion who has never lost a bare knuckle bout??
Well old Roy has just completely mugged him off!!

[RumbleOfThunder]

tuscaneer said:

On a totally unrelated topic I see an ancient punch drunk shell of himself in Roy Jones has just knocked out the notorious Bobby gunn in 6 one sided rounds.....you know the one, the bare knuckle world champion who has never lost a bare knuckle bout??
Well old Roy has just completely mugged him off!!

He made Roy look like his old self. . He lives to get brutally knocked out another day it seems.

[Yiliterate]

Yiliterate said:

StuTheGrouch said:

Can someone clarify something for me?

AJ is fighting Klitschko soon, for the WBA 'super' title. I thought that the super title was only given to a champion who possessed 2x regular titles. So, there's the IBF belt from AJ, so how is this fight for the super title?

On a related note, if the WBA regular champion (vacant in the heavyweight division) retains their title 5 times then they get promoted to the status of 'super champion'. So should that happen then either AJ or Klitchsko get stripped of the super belt. WTF?

I've always ignored the WBA interim, regular and super st, but as AJ is now mixed up in it I'd like to know more.

Edit- just seen that the vacant IBO belt is also up for grabs. That probably explains it.

Edited by StuTheGrouch on Tuesday 21st February 11:21

Really don't know what your issue is. The boxing fraternity is by and large in agreement that having multiple WBA champions per division makes no sense. The WBA has taken on board that feedback and has decided it is committed to having but one champion per division. Now, due to some 'unfortunate' circumstances, the WBA currently has no heavyweight title-holders. So, in summary, they have no heavyweight champions and they want one heavyweight champion.

Now, I ask you, if you have no champions and you want to have one champion, can you think of a more obvious or straightforward way of doing this than simply setting up fights to create two champions, then seeing if, somewhere down the road, you might be able to persuade those two champions, if they're not too busy doing anything else, to maybe, you know, possibly have a think about fighting each other so there's only one champion...???

Makes sense to me!

In farness to the WBA, allowing the vacant WBA 'super' title to be contested between Joshua and Klitschko was arguably essential in facilitating the fight, so can be seen as a 'judicious' decision in that regard (even though it ignored the fact that Ortiz, rather than Klitschko, was their highest ranked contender).

Essentially, Klitschko wasn't ranked by the IBF, so wasn't eligible to fight Joshua for the IBF belt alone. Similarly, as IBF champion, Joshua isn't actually ranked by the WBA (though as a champion of another organisation, would go to the head of the queue when fighting a unification). Also, it had to be the main WBA belt on the line as the other sanctioning bodies don't generally recognise the 'Regular' or 'Interim' versions for unifications. So, by allowing the WBA 'super' title to be on the line, it quite neatly tied up a number of loose ends to allow the Joshua-Klitschko fight to go ahead...