The **BOXING** thread Vol 2

[Bring on the clowns]

mikebradford said:

After watching that vid, i watched a few more GGG vids
Interesting comments from the trainer Abel Sanchez claiming that Kovalev was either scared of, or respectful of GGG's power in sparring.
Which may be more believable after watching his amateur fights.

Seeing him beat the likes of Andre Dirrell, and then even with head gear putting Lucian Bute on his arse.
Given Lucian Bute, and Andre Dirrell both went on to fight at higher weight than GG. It shows he carried a little bit more power than them at that original weight.

Youtube GGG vs Lucian Bute

Blimey, 13 years ago! He looks like a kid - probably was ,more or less. He's come on a lot since then; didn't look too fit and was very wild, but still had some power. I bet in a rematch now he'd find Bute easier.

[tuscaneer]

gutted for wlad if this happens.....the chance to regain the titles might be disappearing

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-re...

[tuscaneer]

Bring on the clowns said:

mikebradford said:

After watching that vid, i watched a few more GGG vids
Interesting comments from the trainer Abel Sanchez claiming that Kovalev was either scared of, or respectful of GGG's power in sparring.
Which may be more believable after watching his amateur fights.

Seeing him beat the likes of Andre Dirrell, and then even with head gear putting Lucian Bute on his arse.
Given Lucian Bute, and Andre Dirrell both went on to fight at higher weight than GG. It shows he carried a little bit more power than them at that original weight.

Youtube GGG vs Lucian Bute

Blimey, 13 years ago! He looks like a kid - probably was ,more or less. He's come on a lot since then; didn't look too fit and was very wild, but still had some power. I bet in a rematch now he'd find Bute easier.

sanchez did say in one interview that when he was training kovalev he was much more green as a fighter than he is today. golovkin was at a much more advanced stage as a fighter but , yes , golovkin dropped kovalev in sparring.


incidentally, as an amateur he went 345-5 , avenging all the defeats....sometimes numerous times!

Edited by tuscaneer on Friday 5th February 08:24

[FredClogs]

tuscaneer said:

gutted for wlad if this happens.....the chance to regain the titles might be disappearing

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-re...

I think its fair to say that even Tyson Fury doesn't know what Tyson Fury will do or say from one day to the next, he was talking about running to be the MP for Morecambe at one point, but I doubt he'll retire yet, his biggest challenges are still ahead of him.

[Bring on the clowns]

FredClogs said:

tuscaneer said:

gutted for wlad if this happens.....the chance to regain the titles might be disappearing

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-re...

I think its fair to say that even Tyson Fury doesn't know what Tyson Fury will do or say from one day to the next, he was talking about running to be the MP for Morecambe at one point, but I doubt he'll retire yet, his biggest challenges are still ahead of him.

I don't believe him for a minute - though he's odd enough for anything to happen, but there is something to be said for getting out before you do too much damage. This is an interesting article with a reference to boxing (the punch drunk syndrome) and is quite sobering.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/04/health/5-things-...

[tuscaneer]

Bring on the clowns said:

I don't believe him for a minute - though he's odd enough for anything to happen, but there is something to be said for getting out before you do too much damage. This is an interesting article with a reference to boxing (the punch drunk syndrome) and is quite sobering.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/04/health/5-things-...

it bothers me a lot that even though i'm not so active now...for a decent chunk of time i was training and sparring 3 times a week, and i have been knocked out before. never flat on my back for 5 minutes but a good few knockdowns that i didn't even know had happened til i was sat on the floor.

i now wear glasses permanently for 2 reasons. when my eldest was a baby she scratched my cornea badly and the scar never fully healed....but the other reason according to the optician was down to trauma caused by impact. she said the left eye had more than likely been damaged by repeatedly taking blows with no protective headgurd to stop gloves pushing on the eyeball.

as much as it's great fun at amateur level it's still a pretty dangerous hobby. when you look at the ferocity of the pro game it's potentially life and death. i've mentioned it here before...i was in sheffield arena the night paul ingle got damaged and it made me feel incredibly guilty being a paying spectator to such a devastating event.

last year i saw a rehabilitation video of abdusolamov after his brain injury against mike perez. the guy is a cabbage. he's not going to be able to feed himself and in the great scheme of things was it worth ruining a man's life for a few quid and the roar of the crowd.



if fury goes i suppose i couldn't blame him but on a selfish level i really hope i get to get to see klitschko regain his status as the best heavyweight on the planet

[andburg]

tuscaneer said:

Bring on the clowns said:

I don't believe him for a minute - though he's odd enough for anything to happen, but there is something to be said for getting out before you do too much damage. This is an interesting article with a reference to boxing (the punch drunk syndrome) and is quite sobering.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/04/health/5-things-...

it bothers me a lot that even though i'm not so active now...for a decent chunk of time i was training and sparring 3 times a week, and i have been knocked out before. never flat on my back for 5 minutes but a good few knockdowns that i didn't even know had happened til i was sat on the floor.

i now wear glasses permanently for 2 reasons. when my eldest was a baby she scratched my cornea badly and the scar never fully healed....but the other reason according to the optician was down to trauma caused by impact. she said the left eye had more than likely been damaged by repeatedly taking blows with no protective headgurd to stop gloves pushing on the eyeball.

as much as it's great fun at amateur level it's still a pretty dangerous hobby. when you look at the ferocity of the pro game it's potentially life and death. i've mentioned it here before...i was in sheffield arena the night paul ingle got damaged and it made me feel incredibly guilty being a paying spectator to such a devastating event.

last year i saw a rehabilitation video of abdusolamov after his brain injury against mike perez. the guy is a cabbage. he's not going to be able to feed himself and in the great scheme of things was it worth ruining a man's life for a few quid and the roar of the crowd.



if fury goes i suppose i couldn't blame him but on a selfish level i really hope i get to get to see klitschko regain his status as the best heavyweight on the planet

Its a dangerous game, I know Jerome Wilson and what's hes been through and is still going through from 1 punch is very sobering!

[FredClogs]

Yep, I've read and heard a few things that have worried me and I'd definitely steer my kids away from combat sports, although my lad seems determined to bang his head if anything hard anyway. there was a doc on TBIs in rugby anfew months ago and the biggest worry in terms of storing damage for later life is there seems to be a large genetic proponent of how the brain copes, I cant remember the gene (poor memory, strictly middle age though) but it is reported on that 21andMe test.

But, life is for living.

[jbswagger]

Dublin boxing weigh-in: Man shot dead, two men injured

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35503937

AK47 rifles!!

[pc.iow]

Anyone seen this madness?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35503937

[A10]

Anyone seen Terry Marsh?

[The Mad Monk]

jbswagger said:

Dublin boxing weigh-in: Man shot dead, two men injured

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35503937

AK47 rifles!!

Anyone out there still saying that boxing is not completely and utterly council from top to bottom?

[A10]

Must be some footage of it. Lots of cameras and phones etc at a weigh in.

[hornetrider]

A10 said:

Must be some footage of it. Lots of cameras and phones etc at a weigh in.

Yep. Shocking.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/i...

[briangriffin]

tuscaneer said:

it bothers me a lot that even though i'm not so active now...for a decent chunk of time i was training and sparring 3 times a week, and i have been knocked out before. never flat on my back for 5 minutes but a good few knockdowns that i didn't even know had happened til i was sat on the floor.

i now wear glasses permanently for 2 reasons. when my eldest was a baby she scratched my cornea badly and the scar never fully healed....but the other reason according to the optician was down to trauma caused by impact. she said the left eye had more than likely been damaged by repeatedly taking blows with no protective headgurd to stop gloves pushing on the eyeball.

as much as it's great fun at amateur level it's still a pretty dangerous hobby. when you look at the ferocity of the pro game it's potentially life and death. i've mentioned it here before...i was in sheffield arena the night paul ingle got damaged and it made me feel incredibly guilty being a paying spectator to such a devastating event.

last year i saw a rehabilitation video of abdusolamov after his brain injury against mike perez. the guy is a cabbage. he's not going to be able to feed himself and in the great scheme of things was it worth ruining a man's life for a few quid and the roar of the crowd.



if fury goes i suppose i couldn't blame him but on a selfish level i really hope i get to get to see klitschko regain his status as the best heavyweight on the planet

What weight/level do/did you fight at mate?

Made me think a little about head guards now as I don't wear one anymore really when sparring although I used to when I started, I had laser eye surgery and do find my eyes are much more sensitive now and I've had to nearly stop a spar from a punch in the eye (not hard just made my eye water badly). Not fought at any real level though just a few white collar bouts , ,not the train for 10 weeks ones il add in my defence. We weren't affiliated originally and had a lot of kick boxers in our gym so it was on kick boxing shows really.

Crazy about Dublin, gangland connections it seems. Wonder if there's a bigger picture here given what happened to Jamie Moore and Kell Brook recently

[Bring on the clowns]

tuscaneer said:

Bring on the clowns said:

I don't believe him for a minute - though he's odd enough for anything to happen, but there is something to be said for getting out before you do too much damage. This is an interesting article with a reference to boxing (the punch drunk syndrome) and is quite sobering.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/04/health/5-things-...

it bothers me a lot that even though i'm not so active now...for a decent chunk of time i was training and sparring 3 times a week, and i have been knocked out before. never flat on my back for 5 minutes but a good few knockdowns that i didn't even know had happened til i was sat on the floor.

i now wear glasses permanently for 2 reasons. when my eldest was a baby she scratched my cornea badly and the scar never fully healed....but the other reason according to the optician was down to trauma caused by impact. she said the left eye had more than likely been damaged by repeatedly taking blows with no protective headgurd to stop gloves pushing on the eyeball.

as much as it's great fun at amateur level it's still a pretty dangerous hobby. when you look at the ferocity of the pro game it's potentially life and death. i've mentioned it here before...i was in sheffield arena the night paul ingle got damaged and it made me feel incredibly guilty being a paying spectator to such a devastating event.

last year i saw a rehabilitation video of abdusolamov after his brain injury against mike perez. the guy is a cabbage. he's not going to be able to feed himself and in the great scheme of things was it worth ruining a man's life for a few quid and the roar of the crowd.



if fury goes i suppose i couldn't blame him but on a selfish level i really hope i get to get to see klitschko regain his status as the best heavyweight on the planet

It worries me too, for myself and others and I often can't shake off the guilt at watching fighters yet can't beat the addiction. The opening bout on last week's BoxNation bill was one of those where you admired their guts but constantly felt uncomfortable thinking about what they were doing to each other, especially with one being 46.

I know - I can just 'feel' - that I'm not as bright as I was, I can still do my job etc. but that is experience and natural aptitude and in terms of speed of thought and concentration I know I'm less than I was. Worse with mental arithmetic/problem solving than words which seem to be less affected and especially memory. It might be just age, but I do wonder...

I'm lucky in that I've never been KO'd or even put down - just one of those lucky chin things - but have been hit so often sometimes (take 10 to give 1) and had some blinding headaches after, including a pain I can only describe as a 'black' pain several times after being illegally hit on the back of the head and neck (which made me so angry) so I wonder if I've escaped or not? Now dithering over my boys who only tonight said they want to go back to the club they left a couple of years ago. I want them to be able to defend themselves and feel confident but I worry about the damage they might incur from sparring.

[Bring on the clowns]

jbswagger said:

Dublin boxing weigh-in: Man shot dead, two men injured

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35503937

AK47 rifles!!

As soon as I heard this and "Dublin" I wondered if it's linked to the Jamie Moore shooting and the gangland drug scum around the Macklin gym and its 'partners'?

[MitchmachineUAE]

So AJ vs. Martin looking a possibility. If they are aiming for the 9th of April bout in London I can't help but feel that this is coming a bit too soon as a potential World Title fight.

Not seen enough of Martin apart from his last two fights to think he'll cause AJ too many problems. However, he has got the belt now, is a big guy at 6ft6 and looks in good condition.

Povetkin vs. Wilder should be interesting though, looking forwards to that one.

[tuscaneer]

andburg said:

Its a dangerous game, I know Jerome Wilson and what's hes been through and is still going through from 1 punch is very sobering!

i always knew i never had aspirations to take it particularly seriously because the inherent danger was always at the fore front of my mind.that constant nagging fear...probably from reading stories about fights like emile griffith versus benny kid paret.....shaped me into being a counterpuncher first and foremost. i was never one to rush in and take unnecessary punishment.you can't really call it gun shy....more self preservation!!


here's a link to the jerome wilson story for others if they don't know the story


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/mens-health/...

[tuscaneer]

briangriffin said:

What weight/level do/did you fight at mate?

Made me think a little about head guards now as I don't wear one anymore really when sparring although I used to when I started, I had laser eye surgery and do find my eyes are much more sensitive now and I've had to nearly stop a spar from a punch in the eye (not hard just made my eye water badly). Not fought at any real level though just a few white collar bouts , ,not the train for 10 weeks ones il add in my defence. We weren't affiliated originally and had a lot of kick boxers in our gym so it was on kick boxing shows really.

Crazy about Dublin, gangland connections it seems. Wonder if there's a bigger picture here given what happened to Jamie Moore and Kell Brook recently

back in my 20s i was at 75 kg (11 and a half)....it was a struggle but i could just about do it. i fought 3 years ago at 13stone 10lb which was a good 16lb over where i would have been comfortable.

after years of gym fighting i was medicalled all ready to go a few times but cancelled shows or injusy always deprived me of fighting for real. i was out of the sport for years with chronic back problems but ended up training with derry mathews at his gym for 6 weeks to get back in shape a bit to contest.

it was god fun !!...busy at the minute but i'll post it up in a bit