The **BOXING** thread Vol 2

[tuscaneer]

Bring on the clowns said:

It worries me too, for myself and others and I often can't shake off the guilt at watching fighters yet can't beat the addiction. The opening bout on last week's BoxNation bill was one of those where you admired their guts but constantly felt uncomfortable thinking about what they were doing to each other, especially with one being 46.

I know - I can just 'feel' - that I'm not as bright as I was, I can still do my job etc. but that is experience and natural aptitude and in terms of speed of thought and concentration I know I'm less than I was. Worse with mental arithmetic/problem solving than words which seem to be less affected and especially memory. It might be just age, but I do wonder...

I'm lucky in that I've never been KO'd or even put down - just one of those lucky chin things - but have been hit so often sometimes (take 10 to give 1) and had some blinding headaches after, including a pain I can only describe as a 'black' pain several times after being illegally hit on the back of the head and neck (which made me so angry) so I wonder if I've escaped or not? Now dithering over my boys who only tonight said they want to go back to the club they left a couple of years ago. I want them to be able to defend themselves and feel confident but I worry about the damage they might incur from sparring.

funnily enough i looked a right tit in a discussion about stalling aeroplanes a few weeks ago. i had lessons some 20 years ago. not loads but tens of hours in the air. i packed it in to follow the career path i'm on now and haven't given it much thought since.

so....i am explaining to someone the lowered flap stall drill and was referring to the flaps as ailerons.i mixed up the flaps on the inner side of the wing with the aileron flaps on the outer edge of the wing.
when someone righteously corrected me it was obvious but something like forgetting a fact like that after a number of hours in the air ( admittedly 20 years ago, but still!!) makes me wonder.

sometimes the wife will give me a load of grief for not doing something and i'm left genuinely perplexed that i can't remember what she's going on about!!

now that might be just zoning out!!.... but i do sometimes wonder that rugby as a kid and boxing from my 20s on can't have helped!!

[tuscaneer]

tuscaneer said:

back in my 20s i was at 75 kg (11 and a half)....it was a struggle but i could just about do it. i fought 3 years ago at 13stone 10lb which was a good 16lb over where i would have been comfortable.

after years of gym fighting i was medicalled all ready to go a few times but cancelled shows or injusy always deprived me of fighting for real. i was out of the sport for years with chronic back problems but ended up training with derry mathews at his gym for 6 weeks to get back in shape a bit to contest.

it was god fun !!...busy at the minute but i'll post it up in a bit

so......a good 16 /17 lb overweight and a more than generous helping of red wine during my training led to the below. when i first watched it back i was gutted that i basically ended up a one-two merchant after the first shellacking whereas in the gym i have so much more variety...it is what it is and at least my overhand left still carried a bit of pop!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJ9DLteE1w


after the fight i looked like this.....yes i did have a headache the next morning...but i did get pissed afterwards!...the low blow pain stayed with me a couple of days as well..

[jbswagger]

Dublin weigh-in murder: Continuity IRA claims murder of David Byrne

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35523444

[Yiliterate]

Looking increasingly likely that Joshua's next fight will be against Charles Martin for the IBF belt. Normally I'd say it was a little premature for someone at Joshua's career stage to be going for a world title, but in this circumstance, I think it might be a gamble worth taking. Firstly, he'd be taking on someone who is barely out of the novice phase, has only fought at world title level once himself and had fought nobody of note prior to that...so not exactly a highly experienced, seasoned champion.

Also, having had a look at the current IBF rankings, if Joshua won, he'd have the opportunity of following the Deontay Wilder path of learning 'on the job' - though they need updating, the other fighters holding high rankings with the IBF are Erkan Teper (probably going to be removed for the failed drugs test anyway), Carlos Takam, Joshua Parker, Steve Cunningham, Andy Ruiz...none of whom (other than Cunningham and maybe Takam) have more meaningful experience than Joshua and all of whom are the sorts of fight you'd now be expecting Joshua to take if he were building for a title shot in say 12-18 months. As such, if he were to beat Martin, he could have maybe two voluntaries and a mandatory over that kind of timeframe against the fighters he should be mixing with anyway...it's just he'd be doing it with the IBF title on the line.

Should be a lively night at the O2 if Eddie Hearn lines this one up!

Edited by Yiliterate on Wednesday 10th February 08:29

[MitchmachineUAE]

David Haye seems to think AJ will be walking away with the title by KO anyway.
Potentially an all British matchup between Haye and AJ on the cards for the IBF title in 2017. That'll be the biggest British Heavyweight fight since Bruno vs. Lewis.

[FredClogs]

Yiliterate said:

Looking increasingly likely that Joshua's next fight will be against Charles Martin for the IBF belt. Normally I'd say it was a little premature for someone at Joshua's career stage to be going for a world title, but in this circumstance, I think it might be a gamble worth taking.

BBC Radio 5 Live were reporting it as a nailed on certainty this morning, 9th April.

I've never seen this Charles Martin chap, obviously he can't be terrible but 2 fights ago he was fighting Tom Dallas, who I'm sure is a lovely fella and all but I have a feeling Joshua might be as big a step up for Martin as Martin is for Joshua.

[Yiliterate]

Kevin Mitchell has announced his retirement. Thought he was unlucky against Linares but last time out was outclassed by Barroso, so probably the right time to call it a day, especially as he has a few miles on the clock now. Was usually good value when he fought but just a pity he didn't live the life when he was younger as he probably had the talent to win a world title, as he showed against Linares...

[A10]

As you mention a fighter calling it a day, there's talk of Roy Jones jnr fighting GGG. He's 47 years old. Surely this is foolhardy?

[Yiliterate]

A10 said:

As you mention a fighter calling it a day, there's talk of Roy Jones jnr fighting GGG. He's 47 years old. Surely this is foolhardy?

I'd say this was highly doubtful - leave aside the chasm in weight divisions (Middleweight to Cruiserweight), don't think there would be any major interest in this fight other that possibly within the ex-Soviet bloc and, sadly, there's now basically no credibility in beating Jones, so what's in it for Golovkin? GGG vs Hopkins much more likely, though as I posted before, I'd far rather see Hopkins finish off with Stevenson for the WBC Light-Heavyweight belt...

[A10]

You know what, I'm an idiot. I meant Bernard Hopkins all along. Apologies. But he's 51! It's even worse!

[Yiliterate]

A10 said:

You know what, I'm an idiot. I meant Bernard Hopkins all along. Apologies. But he's 51! It's even worse!

Haha! Actually, no it isn't worse...Hopkins is more than capable of looking after himself against Golovkin despite his age; in his last fight he went 12 rounds with one of the most dangerous fighters on the planet and though was comfortably beaten, never looked in any danger of getting battered. RJJ on the other hand...well, I think everybody with an ounce of sense and an ounce of compassion genuinely fears for his well-being should he continue to fight at anything close to the top level...

[A10]

I doubt he'd go 12 rounds with GGG. No-one does!

[FredClogs]

Some say he's older than 51 and that he has 7 shredded wheat injected into his eyeballs each morning, all we know is... he's an alien.

It'll be a good test to see how much power GGG can carry up to super middle or light heavy.

[The Mad Monk]

The Daily Telegraph speaks well of Floyd Mayweather:-

http://tinyurl.com/jtf9gsy

[Bring on the clowns]

The Mad Monk said:

The Daily Telegraph speaks well of Floyd Mayweather:-

http://tinyurl.com/jtf9gsy

And well deserved! Great boxer. Egomaniacal tt. The epitome of skill. The epitome of tasteless. A man with sublime skills. And absolutely no class.

[tuscaneer]

A few bits back from the framers today.particularly pleased with the joe louis signature.first one of joe's I've got.

[tuscaneer]

[Amirhussain]

Great stuff tusc

[andburg]

tuscaneer said:

so......a good 16 /17 lb overweight and a more than generous helping of red wine during my training led to the below. when i first watched it back i was gutted that i basically ended up a one-two merchant after the first shellacking whereas in the gym i have so much more variety...it is what it is and at least my overhand left still carried a bit of pop!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBJ9DLteE1w


after the fight i looked like this.....yes i did have a headache the next morning...but i did get pissed afterwards!...the low blow pain stayed with me a couple of days as well..

I'd say you were more than 16lb above a comfortable weight for your height there against a guy at his natural weight.


Never fought myself, don't really coach any more due to work but a friend has just signed up for uwcb and I'm working with him on defense and movement as after 3 weeks training they have done 10 varieties of jab and cross. Worries me how little real training is given to these guys. They seem to think you can't get hurt in 16Oz gloves and headguard

[Bring on the clowns]

andburg said:

. They seem to think you can't get hurt in 16Oz gloves and headguard

Oh dear, oh dear. They aren't exactly pillows even at 16oz. Not to mention the belief by some that long term brain damage via shaking of the brain might be more likely from wearing headguards (esp. if not tightened correctly) than without. Some potentially dangerous lessons to be learned here.

Then there's the sudden shock of being hit hard by someone with 8oz gloves with nothing but your whiskers for cushioning if all you are used to is sparring with 16s in a headboard.