The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
Eddie will want to milk AJ as much as possible, I think he'll fight every 3 or 4 months from now until he looses/looses motivation or lifestyle events over take him, he's young enough and well enough looked after that injuries shouldn't be a big issue if he just stays in camp.
Eddie and other sponsors etc... Will have put a lot of money into him over the last 4 years it's time to repay and he'll very much want to bank enough to set himself up, don't forget he's a London boy so that means a nice property in London, a couple of cars etc...at least £10million I'd say before he can take his foot off the gas and think about a few months off ;-) then unifying Wilders title in a Vegas showdown.
Eddie and other sponsors etc... Will have put a lot of money into him over the last 4 years it's time to repay and he'll very much want to bank enough to set himself up, don't forget he's a London boy so that means a nice property in London, a couple of cars etc...at least £10million I'd say before he can take his foot off the gas and think about a few months off ;-) then unifying Wilders title in a Vegas showdown.
SR7492 said:
Eddie has turned on AJ's next fight very quickly . . . . .
Guess they want to keep him busy, he's young and hasn't fought that many rounds so regular fights probably aren't and issue, they keep the cache registers ringing and help give AJ more experience. As for the opponent, seems like it's a fair selection considering the limitation placed on them by the sanctioning body and that other fighters already have commitments.
As for it being PPV, hmmm.
lord trumpton said:
To me the GGG fight reminded me of the AJ fight in many ways. Total mismatch
The ref should have stopped it at the 2nd knockdown (first one in round 2) imho
I don't follow all of this as much as many here, but how come GGG was even in the ring against a guy who was fighting his first fight scheduled for 12 rounds? (at least I read that somewhere). The ref should have stopped it at the 2nd knockdown (first one in round 2) imho
London424 said:
I don't follow all of this as much as many here, but how come GGG was even in the ring against a guy who was fighting his first fight scheduled for 12 rounds? (at least I read that somewhere).
GGG is very very good but he's from Kazakhstan and as such doesn't pull massive money, outside of boxing nerds and hardcore sports nuts no one is going to pay (or can afford has access) to drop £15 or whatever dollars on a GGG PPV event. As such he's confined to fighting brave youngsters and people managed by those on the outer circles of the business of boxing.He's desperately trying to capture America, but as with most people outside of America he's struggling to understand quite what it is America likes so much about the Mayweathers and Broners of this world.
He needs Alvarez to step up really,if he beats Khan, cant see Khan wanting GGG if he wins. Can't see GGG going up to light heavy to take on Ward either.
tuscaneer said:
no doubt groves is a better "boxer" than murray.....but murray is one hard,.hard man.
Agreed but so was Froch. I don't think Murray is as hardy as Froch was at the time Froch v Groves1 but, IMO Murray has better skills than Froch. Although ,not sure how much hype this is, GGG camp were saying the other day that he has let fights carry on to try different things & not to put to many fighters off
This fight & a Brook v Khan fight will eclispe any other UK fights IMO.
GGG v Eubank Jnr...Well he would have to learn how to fight-move(run more like) for the full 3 mins as he won't be able to have a flurry & stand back to admire his work Lol.
One thing it would do is teach him some humilty.
FredClogs said:
GGG is very very good but he's from Kazakhstan and as such doesn't pull massive money, outside of boxing nerds and hardcore sports nuts no one is going to pay (or can afford has access) to drop £15 or whatever dollars on a GGG PPV event. As such he's confined to fighting brave youngsters and people managed by those on the outer circles of the business of boxing.
He's desperately trying to capture America, but as with most people outside of America he's struggling to understand quite what it is America likes so much about the Mayweathers and Broners of this world.
He needs Alvarez to step up really,if he beats Khan, cant see Khan wanting GGG if he wins. Can't see GGG going up to light heavy to take on Ward either.
WBC have said if Alvarez doesn't fight GGG after Khan they will strip him of this belt. I think he'll give up the belt rather than get in the ring with GGG at 160.He's desperately trying to capture America, but as with most people outside of America he's struggling to understand quite what it is America likes so much about the Mayweathers and Broners of this world.
He needs Alvarez to step up really,if he beats Khan, cant see Khan wanting GGG if he wins. Can't see GGG going up to light heavy to take on Ward either.
Fittster said:
WBC have said if Alvarez doesn't fight GGG after Khan they will strip him of this belt. I think he'll give up the belt rather than get in the ring with GGG at 160.
We'll have to wait and see, you don't see many Mexican fighters backing down and whilst Alvarez might not look like you're average poor Mexican his back story belies his freckly good looks, he turned pro at 15 - he's not short on cojones, whether it makes sense for him financially - who knows?FredClogs said:
Fittster said:
WBC have said if Alvarez doesn't fight GGG after Khan they will strip him of this belt. I think he'll give up the belt rather than get in the ring with GGG at 160.
We'll have to wait and see, you don't see many Mexican fighters backing down and whilst Alvarez might not look like you're average poor Mexican his back story belies his freckly good looks, he turned pro at 15 - he's not short on cojones, whether it makes sense for him financially - who knows?"If he wants to fight with me, let him come down to 155 and I'll fight him whatever day he wants."
"At this moment, my body isn't ready for 160 pounds. Maybe 1 or 2 more years I'll be ready for 160, I don't know, but I'd be delighted to fight someone like Gennady. He's a great fighter and I think it would be a great fight. I'd be delighted to get him in a fight."
Ahh, tough luck. The limit is 160, fight at 160 or give up the belt.
Fittster said:
FredClogs said:
Fittster said:
WBC have said if Alvarez doesn't fight GGG after Khan they will strip him of this belt. I think he'll give up the belt rather than get in the ring with GGG at 160.
We'll have to wait and see, you don't see many Mexican fighters backing down and whilst Alvarez might not look like you're average poor Mexican his back story belies his freckly good looks, he turned pro at 15 - he's not short on cojones, whether it makes sense for him financially - who knows?"If he wants to fight with me, let him come down to 155 and I'll fight him whatever day he wants."
"At this moment, my body isn't ready for 160 pounds. Maybe 1 or 2 more years I'll be ready for 160, I don't know, but I'd be delighted to fight someone like Gennady. He's a great fighter and I think it would be a great fight. I'd be delighted to get him in a fight."
Ahh, tough luck. The limit is 160, fight at 160 or give up the belt.
Golovkin refuses to budge from 160lbs for exactly the same reason Alvarez is keen on 155lbs...it's where each fighter feels they have the greatest advantage. As I've said before on here, Golovkin is perfectly within his right to do that, but what are the consequences of doing so? Were Alvarez (assuming he beats Khan) to stick to his guns, he is forced to vacate his WBC belt, which is then handed to Golovkin. So Golovkin picks up another title, but misses out on a career-defining fight (along with the biggest pay-day of his career by quite some margin), leaving him with little else on the horizon beyond a succession of Dominic Wade-a-like mandatory defences. Sure, he might be able to persuade Billy Joe Saunders or Chris Eubank to fight him, but that would still be small-fry compared to a fight with Alvarez, both in status and financial reward...and who's to say that either of those two wouldn't suddenly remember they actually have far more important (read 'sensible from a risk-reward perspective') business trying to shove their fists down James DeGale's throat up at Super-Middle?
Alvarez, on the other hand, loses his WBC belt but will never lose the status of having been WBC Middleweight champion of the world. Although he would have missed the opportunity for a massive fight against Golovkin, there are still plenty of other huge fights in the pipeline for him, particularly against other big-name Welterweights willing to follow Khan's lead. For Alvarez, the future remains bright indeed...
Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 25th April 22:26
A fantasy fight for me would be to see GGG fight Mayweather; I know it'll never happen
That would be a huge fight and a very interesting one as both fighters and technicians in the ring and masters of their craft - GGG master of attack and Mayweather master of avoiding attacks.
I'd pay a lot of money to watch that fight
I'm sure Mayweather could fight at 160; c'mon Floyd show us that you are a man! ha ha
That would be a huge fight and a very interesting one as both fighters and technicians in the ring and masters of their craft - GGG master of attack and Mayweather master of avoiding attacks.
I'd pay a lot of money to watch that fight
I'm sure Mayweather could fight at 160; c'mon Floyd show us that you are a man! ha ha
To quote the bard of Mississippi:-
"I would say something about this GGG. GGG, hey, if GGG can make weight, that would be different, but -- no, no, we not fixin' to fight no damn giant. I'm gonna tell you like this right here. He comes down, he be at 154, by the time he eats and fight that night, maybe 180, you just don't know, man. People can eat up stuff, man, and hey. He don't need to fight nobody like that, man. Now they say that Floyd won't beat him, but I'm just telling you because, the guy is probably just so big and strong, man. Floyd probably, all he would be doing is, he'd take a lot of punches. He'd come in, Floyd would run the stuff off of him. But the whole thing is, it'd be a struggle, but Floyd probably could beat him. I can't say that he can't beat him."
-Mayweather Snr
"I would say something about this GGG. GGG, hey, if GGG can make weight, that would be different, but -- no, no, we not fixin' to fight no damn giant. I'm gonna tell you like this right here. He comes down, he be at 154, by the time he eats and fight that night, maybe 180, you just don't know, man. People can eat up stuff, man, and hey. He don't need to fight nobody like that, man. Now they say that Floyd won't beat him, but I'm just telling you because, the guy is probably just so big and strong, man. Floyd probably, all he would be doing is, he'd take a lot of punches. He'd come in, Floyd would run the stuff off of him. But the whole thing is, it'd be a struggle, but Floyd probably could beat him. I can't say that he can't beat him."
-Mayweather Snr
Yiliterate said:
Okay, so why is Alvarez's refusal to fight above 155lbs (a weight he has never fought above) considered to be 'running' from Golovkin, yet Golovkin's steadfast refusal to fight at anything below 160lbs - despite him not being a particularly big Middleweight - goes unquestioned? That the Middleweight limit is 160lbs is not really the point - if Golovkin was so motivated, I'm pretty sure his sanctioning bodies would be amenable to him defending his titles in a unification fight with Alvarez at whatever weight between 155lbs and 160lbs was mutually agreed between the two parties.
Golovkin refuses to budge from 160lbs for exactly the same reason Alvarez is keen on 155lbs...it's where each fighter feels they have the greatest advantage. As I've said before on here, Golovkin is perfectly within his right to do that, but what are the consequences of doing so? Were Alvarez (assuming he beats Khan) to stick to his guns, he is forced to vacate his WBC belt, which is then handed to Golovkin. So Golovkin picks up another title, but misses out on a career-defining fight (along with the biggest pay-day of his career by quite some margin), leaving him with little else on the horizon beyond a succession of Dominic Wade-a-like mandatory defences. Sure, he might be able to persuade Billy Joe Saunders or Chris Eubank to fight him, but that would still be small-fry compared to a fight with Alvarez, both in status and financial reward...and who's to say that either of those two wouldn't suddenly remember they actually have far more important (read 'sensible from a risk-reward perspective') business trying to shove their fists down James DeGale's throat up at Super-Middle?
Alvarez, on the other hand, loses his WBC belt but will never lose the status of having been WBC Middleweight champion of the world. Although he would have missed the opportunity for a massive fight against Golovkin, there are still plenty of other huge fights in the pipeline for him, particularly against other big-name Welterweights willing to follow Khan's lead. For Alvarez, the future remains bright indeed...
You've made fair points about Golovkin really making his name against Canelo, making money etc BUT if Canelo does duck GGG as Middle Weight champ it hurts him too. The Mexicans will see him as being a coward. He has no belt. TV deals is the only bargaining chip. Where as GGG has stated he wants to unite the division. Will either fight Canelo or Jacobs for the vacated title then it's only the WBO title from Saunders. Would the WBO make GGG a mandatory?Golovkin refuses to budge from 160lbs for exactly the same reason Alvarez is keen on 155lbs...it's where each fighter feels they have the greatest advantage. As I've said before on here, Golovkin is perfectly within his right to do that, but what are the consequences of doing so? Were Alvarez (assuming he beats Khan) to stick to his guns, he is forced to vacate his WBC belt, which is then handed to Golovkin. So Golovkin picks up another title, but misses out on a career-defining fight (along with the biggest pay-day of his career by quite some margin), leaving him with little else on the horizon beyond a succession of Dominic Wade-a-like mandatory defences. Sure, he might be able to persuade Billy Joe Saunders or Chris Eubank to fight him, but that would still be small-fry compared to a fight with Alvarez, both in status and financial reward...and who's to say that either of those two wouldn't suddenly remember they actually have far more important (read 'sensible from a risk-reward perspective') business trying to shove their fists down James DeGale's throat up at Super-Middle?
Alvarez, on the other hand, loses his WBC belt but will never lose the status of having been WBC Middleweight champion of the world. Although he would have missed the opportunity for a massive fight against Golovkin, there are still plenty of other huge fights in the pipeline for him, particularly against other big-name Welterweights willing to follow Khan's lead. For Alvarez, the future remains bright indeed...
Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 25th April 22:26
Regarding your last paragraph about fighting Welterweights. He hasn't fought at even Junior Middleweight for over 2 years He has fought at 155 catch weight for that time and struggles to make that. No wonder when he is coming into the ring at near enough Light Heavy. The Khan fight was supposed to be a 160 tune up for GGG... so he goes and brings in a WW at 155?
Thing is I think Canelo would take the fight at 160. De La Hoya on the other hand don't want his cash cow getting beat.
ExocetApe said:
You've made fair points about Golovkin really making his name against Canelo, making money etc BUT if Canelo does duck GGG as Middle Weight champ it hurts him too. The Mexicans will see him as being a coward. He has no belt. TV deals is the only bargaining chip. Where as GGG has stated he wants to unite the division. Will either fight Canelo or Jacobs for the vacated title then it's only the WBO title from Saunders. Would the WBO make GGG a mandatory?
Regarding your last paragraph about fighting Welterweights. He hasn't fought at even Junior Middleweight for over 2 years He has fought at 155 catch weight for that time and struggles to make that. No wonder when he is coming into the ring at near enough Light Heavy. The Khan fight was supposed to be a 160 tune up for GGG... so he goes and brings in a WW at 155?
Thing is I think Canelo would take the fight at 160. De La Hoya on the other hand don't want his cash cow getting beat.
I think you've missed the point about fighting Welterweights...I wasn't suggesting he would fight at Welterweight; I was referring to the possibility of getting other big name Welterweights to do what Amir Khan has done (and Mayweather before him) and step up to fight him - a very realistic possibility if he were back at Light-Middleweight. I'd also question the assertion that he's struggling to make his current weight; he certainly didn't look like he was feeling the effects of being weight-drained when fighting Cotto at just 1lb over the Light-Middleweight limit. As such I think going back to 154lbs would be manageable for him, at least in the shorter term.Regarding your last paragraph about fighting Welterweights. He hasn't fought at even Junior Middleweight for over 2 years He has fought at 155 catch weight for that time and struggles to make that. No wonder when he is coming into the ring at near enough Light Heavy. The Khan fight was supposed to be a 160 tune up for GGG... so he goes and brings in a WW at 155?
Thing is I think Canelo would take the fight at 160. De La Hoya on the other hand don't want his cash cow getting beat.
Also, I'm not so sure his fellow countrymen will be as damning of him as you seem to think. He's always expressed a willingness to fight Golovkin, just at his preferred fighting weight; the weight he's fought at - give or take 1lb - for the last six years. He also hasn't ruled out fighting Golovkin at 160lbs, just that it might be a little further down the line. Regarding him not having a belt - no major deal. He was without a title for over two years after losing to Mayweather but he didn't exactly become boxing's forgotten man over that period! As for his TV pulling power being his only negotiating chip, well even if that were true, it's still a bloody huge negotiating chip! But it's not quite the full picture because if he were to vacate and step back down to Light Middleweight, you can be pretty much guarantee he'd get ranked very highly by the WBC straight away (and potentially the other sanctioning bodies as well).
However, don't get me wrong - I still think there's a possibility the fight could be made at 160lbs, but I'd expect Canelo to be able to negotiate some other pretty significant favourable terms if it is...maybe the purse would be 60-40 (or better) rather than 50-50; maybe they'd find themselves fighting outdoors in the Californian sun rather than an air-conditioned casino in Vegas...maybe it would be in Mexico City rather than New York City. First things first, though...let's see how he gets on against Khan. I certainly don't think he should be looking beyond 7th May...!!!
i think canelo is still haunted by the mayweather fight. the lessons he learned by draining that extra weight to tip the scales in floyd's favour has left a mental scar on him, and by his own admission he should never have cut the extra weight.
i'm not saying it cuts both ways and he'd find it harder going that bit extra north but with a fighter like ggg in the other corner ( an already daunting task for anyone) i think canelo is trying to "pull a floyd" and force golovkin to drop. nobody knows better than him how that negatively impacts on you....and he will want every advantage going in
i'm not saying it cuts both ways and he'd find it harder going that bit extra north but with a fighter like ggg in the other corner ( an already daunting task for anyone) i think canelo is trying to "pull a floyd" and force golovkin to drop. nobody knows better than him how that negatively impacts on you....and he will want every advantage going in
Nope..first one wasn't great, second I fear will be more dull.
Fury is claiming hes working out 3-4 times a day in a sweatsuit and has already lost a stone in 9 days.
What a great example to set to the youngsters, you don't need to stay in shape just dehydrate yourself at the start of training and then steady off from there.
He obviously took his training tips from Ricky Hatton, it will catch up with him and he'll not see it coming.
Fury is claiming hes working out 3-4 times a day in a sweatsuit and has already lost a stone in 9 days.
What a great example to set to the youngsters, you don't need to stay in shape just dehydrate yourself at the start of training and then steady off from there.
He obviously took his training tips from Ricky Hatton, it will catch up with him and he'll not see it coming.
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