The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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i'm of the same opinion pal.....i can see canelo catching him at some stage...and there's a very great possibility he will starch him at that point.....but i'd bet that khan will be ahead on points by the time that eventually happened.
alvarez's only weakness for me is his footwork. he does tend to plod after people. great if they want to stand there and fight it out....but no good if they are fleet footed.
alvarez's only weakness for me is his footwork. he does tend to plod after people. great if they want to stand there and fight it out....but no good if they are fleet footed.
quite!
anyway... on to other matters for a minute. i watched the fury/klitschko presser in manchester and found tyson's rants quite amusing as per usual(you're a hall of dog s
t fighter!!)....i also was quite amused hearing wlad say "fk off" for the first time!
this morning i stumbled across this face to face from the german presser from yesterday. after the face to face when the journalist guy hands fury the mic i can't quite believe the conversation between the pair of them.fury is a completely split personality...he's quite an enigma. he's also put on his twitter feed that his purse is either going to kids with cancer or starving kids in africa. and i believe he'd do that as well.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=5787354489718...
a psychologist would have a field day poking around in his head
anyway... on to other matters for a minute. i watched the fury/klitschko presser in manchester and found tyson's rants quite amusing as per usual(you're a hall of dog s
t fighter!!)....i also was quite amused hearing wlad say "fk off" for the first time!this morning i stumbled across this face to face from the german presser from yesterday. after the face to face when the journalist guy hands fury the mic i can't quite believe the conversation between the pair of them.fury is a completely split personality...he's quite an enigma. he's also put on his twitter feed that his purse is either going to kids with cancer or starving kids in africa. and i believe he'd do that as well.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=5787354489718...
a psychologist would have a field day poking around in his head
Edited by tuscaneer on Friday 29th April 09:20
Turquoise said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but GGG fought Dominic Wade because, regardless of his quality, he was his IBF MANDATORY challenger. If Canelo fought his MANDATORY challenger we’d be seeing him fight GGG instead of watching a bloody welterweight get a chance at the Middleweight Title.
To my view of the world - pragmatic (or cynical) though it may be - you are only partially correct. GGG fought Dominic Wade because he was the IBF mandatory AND because Golovkin had no other better/preferable option that precluded him from making that defence.I appreciate it is a different set of circumstances, but Tyson Fury recently relinquished (or was forced to relinquish) his IBF belt because he chose not to fulfil his mandatory obligation against Glazkov in favour of a re-match with Wladimir Klitschko. Leave aside the issue that Fury might not have had a great deal of choice in the matter (and that seems to have been of his own volition, so not a huge amount of sympathy), if Golovkin were facing a similar decision in respect of his mandatory, I'd be very surprised if his conclusion were different...
tuscaneer said:
i'm of the same opinion pal.....i can see canelo catching him at some stage...and there's a very great possibility he will starch him at that point.....but i'd bet that khan will be ahead on points by the time that eventually happened.
alvarez's only weakness for me is his footwork. he does tend to plod after people. great if they want to stand there and fight it out....but no good if they are fleet footed.
Stuff happens, but I was joshing!alvarez's only weakness for me is his footwork. he does tend to plod after people. great if they want to stand there and fight it out....but no good if they are fleet footed.
Khan won't:
punch any harder to any notable level
won't have KO power, still
might be slower and less manoeuvrable esp. if the fight goes long, which could be disastrous
and might, just might have slightly better punch resistance from the extra neck strength - but only from certain punches landing at certain angles. Temple or side of jaw, nope and not a chance he can take Alvarez's power, even though his ferocious flurries flatter to deceive (he does not have the 1 shot concussive power of a Golovkin or Hearns et al).
If I were a betting man I'd go for Alvarez by ref stoppage, or maybe clear KO.
Edited by Bring on the clowns on Friday 29th April 11:44
Yiliterate said:
To my view of the world - pragmatic (or cynical) though it may be - you are only partially correct. GGG fought Dominic Wade because he was the IBF mandatory AND because Golovkin had no other better/preferable option that precluded him from making that defence.
The preferable option was Canelo, but he was asked to step aside because Canelo didn't fancy it.As an aside, I've read GGG was renumetated for stepping aside. Is that true?
Bring on the clowns said:
Stuff happens, but I was joshing!
Khan won't:
punch any harder to any notable level
won't have KO power, still
might be slower and less manoeuvrable esp. if the fight goes long, which could be disastrous
and might, just might have slightly better punch resistance from the extra neck strength - but only from certain punches landing at certain angles. Temple or side of jaw, nope and not a chance he can take Alvarez's power, even though his ferocious flurries flatter to deceive (he does not have the 1 shot concussive power of a Golovkin or Hearns et al).
If I were a betting man I'd go for Alvarez by ref stoppage, or maybe clear KO.
i wonder if you can pick that exact bet....canelo by ko, but at that point khan is ahead on the scorecards?? cus that's how i reckon it goes down!Khan won't:
punch any harder to any notable level
won't have KO power, still
might be slower and less manoeuvrable esp. if the fight goes long, which could be disastrous
and might, just might have slightly better punch resistance from the extra neck strength - but only from certain punches landing at certain angles. Temple or side of jaw, nope and not a chance he can take Alvarez's power, even though his ferocious flurries flatter to deceive (he does not have the 1 shot concussive power of a Golovkin or Hearns et al).
If I were a betting man I'd go for Alvarez by ref stoppage, or maybe clear KO.
Edited by Bring on the clowns on Friday 29th April 11:44
There is clearly a reason Khan has taken this fight that goes beyond just money. He's seen something. I don't know what that is but he clearly feels that even stepping up in weight Alvarez is there to be beaten. Perhaps he thinks popping him and then dancing away for 12 rounds and thus racking up a big points advantage is do-able.
Don't underestimate Khan or his team. khan has only come a cropper when he thought and was expected to win. This time he knows he has a job on his hands and I expect a fully-concentrating and ultra-determined Khan to enter the ring.
This has the potential to be the fight of the year in my eyes.
Don't underestimate Khan or his team. khan has only come a cropper when he thought and was expected to win. This time he knows he has a job on his hands and I expect a fully-concentrating and ultra-determined Khan to enter the ring.
This has the potential to be the fight of the year in my eyes.
khan has seen canelo's footwork as i mentioned earlier fella....canelo isn't any sort of crafty ring cutter ...neither is he fleet footed. his major weakness is his ploddy footwork,. he doesn't "creep" forward like a joe louis setting you up for the right hand before you even know you're in range....nor does he shift across like golovkin to pressure you into moving his way. he just sort of....well...plods forward. his punch arsenal is great...but it's useless if he is hitting thin air....but he's got 36 minutes to catch khan. and he's only got to do it once.
i'd love to think khan can focus for the full fight and pull it off but i just feel he'll get "billy conn'ed" at some point in the latter half of the fight while he's ahead on points
i'd love to think khan can focus for the full fight and pull it off but i just feel he'll get "billy conn'ed" at some point in the latter half of the fight while he's ahead on points
Turquoise said:
Yiliterate said:
To my view of the world - pragmatic (or cynical) though it may be - you are only partially correct. GGG fought Dominic Wade because he was the IBF mandatory AND because Golovkin had no other better/preferable option that precluded him from making that defence.
The preferable option was Canelo, but he was asked to step aside because Canelo didn't fancy it.As an aside, I've read GGG was renumetated for stepping aside. Is that true?
I hadn't actually read that Golovkin was remunerated but that had always been my assumption...I guess he probably could have been principled, refused to step aside and forced the issue, but I can understand him taking the pragmatic approach if that is indeed what he has done.
http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/04/29/news/exc...
Well, that puts a fly in our collective ointment!!!
tuscaneer said:
khan has seen canelo's footwork as i mentioned earlier fella....canelo isn't any sort of crafty ring cutter ...neither is he fleet footed. his major weakness is his ploddy footwork,. he doesn't "creep" forward like a joe louis setting you up for the right hand before you even know you're in range....nor does he shift across like golovkin to pressure you into moving his way. he just sort of....well...plods forward. his punch arsenal is great...but it's useless if he is hitting thin air....but he's got 36 minutes to catch khan. and he's only got to do it once.
i'd love to think khan can focus for the full fight and pull it off but i just feel he'll get "billy conn'ed" at some point in the latter half of the fight while he's ahead on points
Basically this, This is a major weakness of Canelo's and it doesn't look to have been improved upon much either. Khan has seen the Mayweather fight and thinks he can do what Mayweather did, Khan has the speed of mayweather and more but he doesn't have that technical defensive ability which will likely be his undoing. i'd love to think khan can focus for the full fight and pull it off but i just feel he'll get "billy conn'ed" at some point in the latter half of the fight while he's ahead on points
I thought De Gale looked excellent in his bout last night (just watched it while kids covered the house in Lego). Even though he's been around for seemingly ages he's still not massively experienced in the number of fights and top level guys he's fought, I think he's still got time to improve and definitely give him a good chance against Badou Jack, just watching that one now...
briangriffin said:
tuscaneer said:
khan has seen canelo's footwork as i mentioned earlier fella....canelo isn't any sort of crafty ring cutter ...neither is he fleet footed. his major weakness is his ploddy footwork,. he doesn't "creep" forward like a joe louis setting you up for the right hand before you even know you're in range....nor does he shift across like golovkin to pressure you into moving his way. he just sort of....well...plods forward. his punch arsenal is great...but it's useless if he is hitting thin air....but he's got 36 minutes to catch khan. and he's only got to do it once.
i'd love to think khan can focus for the full fight and pull it off but i just feel he'll get "billy conn'ed" at some point in the latter half of the fight while he's ahead on points
Basically this, This is a major weakness of Canelo's and it doesn't look to have been improved upon much either. Khan has seen the Mayweather fight and thinks he can do what Mayweather did, Khan has the speed of mayweather and more but he doesn't have that technical defensive ability which will likely be his undoing. i'd love to think khan can focus for the full fight and pull it off but i just feel he'll get "billy conn'ed" at some point in the latter half of the fight while he's ahead on points
Kahn has fast hands, but Mayweather is in, jab and out before most opponents have ever realised what has happened.
So, Kahn is on Boxnation next week. I wondered if someone can clear something up re Boxnation.
In one room we have our sky connected tv and have a subscription to Boxnation so watching the fight is a go-er. Thing is, on another TV in another room is just a regular digibox TV and that has Boxnation freeview.
Am I paying for a subscription that I don't need; can I watch Kahn on the non subscription Boxnation?
In one room we have our sky connected tv and have a subscription to Boxnation so watching the fight is a go-er. Thing is, on another TV in another room is just a regular digibox TV and that has Boxnation freeview.
Am I paying for a subscription that I don't need; can I watch Kahn on the non subscription Boxnation?
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