The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
Gerradi said:
Yiliterate said:
... he's developed a style that is so, so difficult to counteract. And, because it is so successful, he essentially sticks to that style...why not?
You know this could be about Mayweather Jnr & know one has managed to get him out of his 'Groove' .Edited by Yiliterate on Thursday 24th September 08:16
I doubt that Fury will manage to get Vlad out of his either, have to agree though that Fury has improved a lot ...but not enough imo to beat Vlad... we will soon find out , good luck to Fury though!
Yiliterate said:
My money wouldn't be on Fury but I'll credit him this much; I think he's improved as a boxer significantly over the last 2-3 years and he has the potential to cause Klitschko problems. Fury is heavier, has a bigger reach, has relatively quick hands for a big man and though initially looked like he was just p
sing about, through his last four or five contests, he's been quite deliberately working on fighting in an increasingly unorthodox fashion (e.g. fought the majority of the second Chisora match-up southpaw). I suspect that all along, he's had one eye on Klitschko and has gone about developing a style - allied to his physical attributes - that looks to prevent Klitschko from establishing that offensive groove that, once set, is almost impossible to defeat.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Fury's successful in that. My suspicion is that it could be the making of Wlad. As I've said before, I think Wlad is one of the most effective Heavyweights of all time, in that he's developed a style that is so, so difficult to counteract. And, because it is so successful, he essentially sticks to that style...why not? However, if Fury is able to nullify that, even to an extent, Wlad will have to move out of his comfort zone and perhaps take a risk or two. If he does that successfully, it will prove that he is more than just the calculating, formulaic, robotic fighter he's portrayed to be.
Having written that, I realise I'm actually now eagerly anticipating the fight! Roll on 24th October!!!
i noted that footage of wlad on the pads with banks showed he had huge weights strapped round his wrists. this tells me he's going head hunting against the taller guy with the longer reach.....sing about, through his last four or five contests, he's been quite deliberately working on fighting in an increasingly unorthodox fashion (e.g. fought the majority of the second Chisora match-up southpaw). I suspect that all along, he's had one eye on Klitschko and has gone about developing a style - allied to his physical attributes - that looks to prevent Klitschko from establishing that offensive groove that, once set, is almost impossible to defeat.It will be interesting to see what happens if Fury's successful in that. My suspicion is that it could be the making of Wlad. As I've said before, I think Wlad is one of the most effective Heavyweights of all time, in that he's developed a style that is so, so difficult to counteract. And, because it is so successful, he essentially sticks to that style...why not? However, if Fury is able to nullify that, even to an extent, Wlad will have to move out of his comfort zone and perhaps take a risk or two. If he does that successfully, it will prove that he is more than just the calculating, formulaic, robotic fighter he's portrayed to be.
Having written that, I realise I'm actually now eagerly anticipating the fight! Roll on 24th October!!!
Edited by Yiliterate on Thursday 24th September 08:16
if fury stays orthodox with that low "backhanding" way he chucks the jab then he's getting ramrod left jabs back on the counter over the top.....a few of those softeners and the right hand boom gets lowered fairly early ( mid rounds??)
if fury goes southpaw, of course, wlad will want to step to the left hiding his movement behind his lead left hook ( a devastating shot all on it's own....ask pulev!!) then throw the backhand right straight down the pipe.......i'm afraid if fury tries to fight wlad southpaw he's likely gone to sleep inside 3 rounds.....
i can't see a fury victory in any way....and if i'm honest i'd like to see a wladimir emphatic victory to further stamp his authority on the division........as much as i like fury i don't see in him what some others do and if in some way he lucks out i'll be gutted. i've followed the klitschko story from the beginning and it's truly been fantastic for me that "my" heavyweight of this generation has been one of the greats....
we'll miss him when he's gone so i hope he sticks around for as long as possible and goes out on his terms. it still breaks my heart watching old joe louis fighting on out of financial necessity and getting smashed up by marciano. .....he belonged to a previous generation and should have stayed there.....
when wlad's time comes i hope he recognizes it and gets out in one piece. i''d hate for someone not in his class to beat him because he was over the hill.
The only positives I can see for Tyson are that he's as big as Klitschko and that Klitschko is getting on a bit (he didn't look great against Jennings). Hopefully the equality of sizes will prevent the holding and leaning that Klitschko likes to indulge in.
The big issue for Fury is that he's not that good at boxing. He's not skillful so if it goes to points he's going to lose. He doesn't seem to have huge power that someone like Wilder or Joshua possess which allow them to finish fights quickly. He's not got a great chin, Steve Cunningham, a pumped up cruiser weight knocked him down. Finally there's his record, he may be undefeated but look at his last five fights:
Hammer (Not a huge HW, lost a fair amount and not acheived anything of note)
Chisora (small HW)
Cunningham (Really a cruiser weight but still dropped Fury)
Abell (Who?)
Johnson (most negative HW ever, he's small and he took Fury to points. Now that was 3 years ago but Joshua finished him within 2 rounds this May)
In fairness to Wlad his fought every legit challenger and won. The only person out there really worth his time is Wilder the WBC belt holder, a man who has built a career on the back of avoiding difficult fights.
If Fury does get beaten as I expect maybe he could fight Joshua next year? That's something I'd like to see (mainly to see if Joshua can finish him quicker than Wlad).
The big issue for Fury is that he's not that good at boxing. He's not skillful so if it goes to points he's going to lose. He doesn't seem to have huge power that someone like Wilder or Joshua possess which allow them to finish fights quickly. He's not got a great chin, Steve Cunningham, a pumped up cruiser weight knocked him down. Finally there's his record, he may be undefeated but look at his last five fights:
Hammer (Not a huge HW, lost a fair amount and not acheived anything of note)
Chisora (small HW)
Cunningham (Really a cruiser weight but still dropped Fury)
Abell (Who?)
Johnson (most negative HW ever, he's small and he took Fury to points. Now that was 3 years ago but Joshua finished him within 2 rounds this May)
In fairness to Wlad his fought every legit challenger and won. The only person out there really worth his time is Wilder the WBC belt holder, a man who has built a career on the back of avoiding difficult fights.
If Fury does get beaten as I expect maybe he could fight Joshua next year? That's something I'd like to see (mainly to see if Joshua can finish him quicker than Wlad).
I'm no Tyson Fury fan although to be fair his record and standing does seem to be growing into his opinion of himself and whoever he has moderating his social media output these days is paying dividend. He had a bad couple of years chasing David Haye but I think he's go his head screwed on now and he has a close knit training set up - win lose or draw against Vlad I think he'll face Joshua next year.
what worries me is his mental state. his ramblings are borderline fking mental.....his carry on yesterday about not even caring if he gets beaten or not and the whole performance about wanting to feel pain, wanting his nose broken and telling wlad to make sure he does a good job on him.....absolutely batst........
reading reports in boxing news about his manic depression do make you wonder how he would react to a devastating loss. david price is a grounded normal guy and he's just disappeared after the tepur loss. with fury you'd have to worry about him post loss
king mental.....his carry on yesterday about not even caring if he gets beaten or not and the whole performance about wanting to feel pain, wanting his nose broken and telling wlad to make sure he does a good job on him.....absolutely batst........reading reports in boxing news about his manic depression do make you wonder how he would react to a devastating loss. david price is a grounded normal guy and he's just disappeared after the tepur loss. with fury you'd have to worry about him post loss
tuscaneer said:
what worries me is his mental state. his ramblings are borderline fking mental.....his carry on yesterday about not even caring if he gets beaten or not and the whole performance about wanting to feel pain, wanting his nose broken and telling wlad to make sure he does a good job on him.....absolutely batst........
reading reports in boxing news about his manic depression do make you wonder how he would react to a devastating loss. david price is a grounded normal guy and he's just disappeared after the tepur loss. with fury you'd have to worry about him post loss
Part of me worries about them all, I'm no George Groves but he seems to be struggling a bit after his loss, closed down his social media accounts etc...king mental.....his carry on yesterday about not even caring if he gets beaten or not and the whole performance about wanting to feel pain, wanting his nose broken and telling wlad to make sure he does a good job on him.....absolutely batst........reading reports in boxing news about his manic depression do make you wonder how he would react to a devastating loss. david price is a grounded normal guy and he's just disappeared after the tepur loss. with fury you'd have to worry about him post loss
Peter Fury was on Buncey's podcast this week, he seems very level headed about this bout mind you I'm not sure Bunce is any measure of normal so it's all relative and Peter's had his moments in the moon light...
Who knows? You can't say it's not interesting though.
FredClogs said:
Part of me worries about them all, I'm no George Groves but he seems to be struggling a bit after his loss, closed down his social media accounts etc...
Peter Fury was on Buncey's podcast this week, he seems very level headed about this bout mind you I'm not sure Bunce is any measure of normal so it's all relative and Peter's had his moments in the moon light...
Who knows? You can't say it's not interesting though.
i don't know if you'll remember a promising fighter from liverpool called tony quigley. ....any way, there was a feature on him a couple of years ago in boxing news. absolutely heartbreaking in that everyone was his pal until his loss to paul smith 4 years ago. he basically piled on 4 or 5 stone in weight and became a complete recluse for a long time.a feeling of total abandonment washed over him as people quickly forgot about him.Peter Fury was on Buncey's podcast this week, he seems very level headed about this bout mind you I'm not sure Bunce is any measure of normal so it's all relative and Peter's had his moments in the moon light...
Who knows? You can't say it's not interesting though.
you tend not to think of fighters as having mental weaknesses but it's such a stressful career to partake in with incredible highs coupled with incredible lows. the combination of this with any sort of mental health issues can be catastrohic as in the case of darren sutherland.
Not unlike Foreman when he lost to Ali, apparently in depression for two years & hit 20 stone ! I can also see traits of Bipolar in Fury. At the press meeting he was way up & his mind was racing & it was clear (to me) that he could not keep up with it...I wish him the very best though.
Gerradi said:
Not unlike Foreman when he lost to Ali, apparently in depression for two years & hit 20 stone ! I can also see traits of Bipolar in Fury. At the press meeting he was way up & his mind was racing & it was clear (to me) that he could not keep up with it...I wish him the very best though.
Me too, it was an entertaining stunt, almost certainly sold a few more tickets, and at least brought some good if silly attention to boxing. I know little about bipolar and other such issues, save I've seen some horrible effects on otherwise lovely people.Fittster said:
This weekend we have Deontay Wilder v Johann Duhaupas
Hard to see anything but a routine defence, Duhaupas appears to be an average Euro level HW who is there to be hit and whatever Wilder's faults maybe he does hit hard.
Hard to see anything full stop...no channel over here has bothered to pay for the rights to show it!Hard to see anything but a routine defence, Duhaupas appears to be an average Euro level HW who is there to be hit and whatever Wilder's faults maybe he does hit hard.
tuscaneer said:
Yiliterate said:
My money wouldn't be on Fury but I'll credit him this much; I think he's improved as a boxer significantly over the last 2-3 years and he has the potential to cause Klitschko problems. Fury is heavier, has a bigger reach, has relatively quick hands for a big man and though initially looked like he was just psing about, through his last four or five contests, he's been quite deliberately working on fighting in an increasingly unorthodox fashion (e.g. fought the majority of the second Chisora match-up southpaw). I suspect that all along, he's had one eye on Klitschko and has gone about developing a style - allied to his physical attributes - that looks to prevent Klitschko from establishing that offensive groove that, once set, is almost impossible to defeat.
It will be interesting to see what happens if Fury's successful in that. My suspicion is that it could be the making of Wlad. As I've said before, I think Wlad is one of the most effective Heavyweights of all time, in that he's developed a style that is so, so difficult to counteract. And, because it is so successful, he essentially sticks to that style...why not? However, if Fury is able to nullify that, even to an extent, Wlad will have to move out of his comfort zone and perhaps take a risk or two. If he does that successfully, it will prove that he is more than just the calculating, formulaic, robotic fighter he's portrayed to be.
Having written that, I realise I'm actually now eagerly anticipating the fight! Roll on 24th October!!!
i noted that footage of wlad on the pads with banks showed he had huge weights strapped round his wrists. this tells me he's going head hunting against the taller guy with the longer reach.....sing about, through his last four or five contests, he's been quite deliberately working on fighting in an increasingly unorthodox fashion (e.g. fought the majority of the second Chisora match-up southpaw). I suspect that all along, he's had one eye on Klitschko and has gone about developing a style - allied to his physical attributes - that looks to prevent Klitschko from establishing that offensive groove that, once set, is almost impossible to defeat.It will be interesting to see what happens if Fury's successful in that. My suspicion is that it could be the making of Wlad. As I've said before, I think Wlad is one of the most effective Heavyweights of all time, in that he's developed a style that is so, so difficult to counteract. And, because it is so successful, he essentially sticks to that style...why not? However, if Fury is able to nullify that, even to an extent, Wlad will have to move out of his comfort zone and perhaps take a risk or two. If he does that successfully, it will prove that he is more than just the calculating, formulaic, robotic fighter he's portrayed to be.
Having written that, I realise I'm actually now eagerly anticipating the fight! Roll on 24th October!!!
Edited by Yiliterate on Thursday 24th September 08:16
if fury stays orthodox with that low "backhanding" way he chucks the jab then he's getting ramrod left jabs back on the counter over the top.....a few of those softeners and the right hand boom gets lowered fairly early ( mid rounds??)
if fury goes southpaw, of course, wlad will want to step to the left hiding his movement behind his lead left hook ( a devastating shot all on it's own....ask pulev!!) then throw the backhand right straight down the pipe.......i'm afraid if fury tries to fight wlad southpaw he's likely gone to sleep inside 3 rounds.....
i can't see a fury victory in any way....and if i'm honest i'd like to see a wladimir emphatic victory to further stamp his authority on the division........as much as i like fury i don't see in him what some others do and if in some way he lucks out i'll be gutted. i've followed the klitschko story from the beginning and it's truly been fantastic for me that "my" heavyweight of this generation has been one of the greats....
we'll miss him when he's gone so i hope he sticks around for as long as possible and goes out on his terms. it still breaks my heart watching old joe louis fighting on out of financial necessity and getting smashed up by marciano. .....he belonged to a previous generation and should have stayed there.....
when wlad's time comes i hope he recognizes it and gets out in one piece. i''d hate for someone not in his class to beat him because he was over the hill.
king wrong mate! I reckon Klitschko won't even have the blocks to show up on the 24th....!Yiliterate said:
Hard to see anything full stop...no channel over here has bothered to pay for the rights to show it!
....speaks volumes about this WBC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP FIGHT!!! it's a fking mockery of the belt that these 2 are fighting for the gold and green. the wbc have said they will not stand in the way of a unification fight.......but will wilder want a bit more of the spanking he got in austria?? not bloody likely while they are sanctioning such st challengers as duhaupas.....who has only 3 recognizable names on his record in pianeta, tepur and charr......and the only one he beat (manuel charr) has lost 3 of his last 4 fights and has looked like damaged good ever since vitali brutalized him 3 years ago.Klitschko v Fury Off - Klitschko injured calf in training.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-furys-h...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-furys-h...
Russ35 said:
Klitschko v Fury Off - Klitschko injured calf in training.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-furys-h...
Ah, balls!http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-furys-h...
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