The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
The Thurman fight was superb, one of the best of the year that I've seen. Right result in the end though, a narrow points victory.
The situation with Fury is a real mess, all the trash talking he was doing too about 'drugs cheats' inferring that Wlad and AJ were on steroids. He's going to look like an enormous numpty if they have indeed caught him meddling with performance enhancers.
There can only be one result if A and B tests come back positive and that is to strip him of the belts. It'll be a massive blow for the sport if this happens and if it pushes forwards an encounter between Wlad and AJ for the IBF title then I fear it'll be a bit too soon for AJ.
It is also a bit rich to see that this champion of ours is out on the lash whilst he is supposed to be resting his ankle. Not a killjoy suggesting he shouldn't be allowed to enjoy himself but if his ankle was really that much of a mess I don't think he'd be out wandering the streets whilst on the p*ss.
The situation with Fury is a real mess, all the trash talking he was doing too about 'drugs cheats' inferring that Wlad and AJ were on steroids. He's going to look like an enormous numpty if they have indeed caught him meddling with performance enhancers.
There can only be one result if A and B tests come back positive and that is to strip him of the belts. It'll be a massive blow for the sport if this happens and if it pushes forwards an encounter between Wlad and AJ for the IBF title then I fear it'll be a bit too soon for AJ.
It is also a bit rich to see that this champion of ours is out on the lash whilst he is supposed to be resting his ankle. Not a killjoy suggesting he shouldn't be allowed to enjoy himself but if his ankle was really that much of a mess I don't think he'd be out wandering the streets whilst on the p*ss.
tuscaneer said:
well....thurman/porter was a f
king belter!!!
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CROWD BOOING THE DECISION..!!!! thurman a close but clear winner for me.
don't know what to make of the fury positive drug test........he's known there were irregularities since september by the looks of it. the recent postponement of the rematch is almost certainly to do with this i think.
what happens now??!!
if it's deemed serious enough will he be stripped like the browne/chagaev case? interestingly if they call the last fight a n/c and hand the belts back there is the issue of the IBF. in that scenario joshua would have to fight klitschko. eddie hearn has already stated that they would most likely have to go that route should fury have to face a ban.
what a fking mess....
Indeed - but a very interesting turn of events if that is the outcome. I've never got any great sense from either the Klitschko or Joshua camps that they were aiming for the other - it has generally felt like Wlad was wanting pass his crown on to Joshua as the heir apparent. As such, it really wouldn't surprise me, assuming Fury were to receive a similar length of ban to Browne (i.e. 6 months), if Wlad were to say that his focus remains setting the record straight against Fury rather than exercising his right to contest the IBF belt with Joshua.king belter!!!I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CROWD BOOING THE DECISION..!!!! thurman a close but clear winner for me.
don't know what to make of the fury positive drug test........he's known there were irregularities since september by the looks of it. the recent postponement of the rematch is almost certainly to do with this i think.
what happens now??!!
if it's deemed serious enough will he be stripped like the browne/chagaev case? interestingly if they call the last fight a n/c and hand the belts back there is the issue of the IBF. in that scenario joshua would have to fight klitschko. eddie hearn has already stated that they would most likely have to go that route should fury have to face a ban.
what a f
king mess....There again, the Klitschkos have consistently portrayed an 'honourable champions' image and being seen to 'reward' a drugs cheat by granting them another crack at the world titles the moment their ban expires might not sit comfortably with them. In which case, I spy with my little eye something beginning with 'O'(pportunity for David Haye to gatecrash the title scene again!!!).
I think Haye needs to fight some more credible opponents before Wlad and the boys consider giving him a go again. He has to earn it. Saying that I'm stuck when thinking of alternative options to step into the mix, most of them have already had a go and been found wanting. Ortiz perhaps.........
Having A Barth said:
I think Haye needs to fight some more credible opponents before Wlad and the boys consider giving him a go again. He has to earn it. Saying that I'm stuck when thinking of alternative options to step into the mix, most of them have already had a go and been found wanting. Ortiz perhaps.........
Maybe, but in terms of 'earning' it, Haye's already ranked #5 with the WBA and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he goes very close to the top of the pile if he beats Briggs, who is ranked #6 with them (don't forget, the WBA are likely to be pretty amenable toward Haye anyway as he held their titles at both Heavyweight and Cruiserweight previously). Of course, a lot will depend on how things now stand with the WBA and their proposed 'unification' tournament. Ortiz ('interim' WBA champ) is scheduled to fight Ustinov in September and I think the winner is then supposed to be fighting Oquendo. Meanwhile, who knows what's going on with the 'regular' WBA belt given Browne was stripped and Chagaev had announced his retirement after losing that fight. So if Fury were to be stripped, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the WBA were to say Wlad fights the winner of Haye-Briggs for the 'super' title...
Alternatively, the 'regular' title could also come back into play - if Haye were to get hold of that (and if Chagaev doesn't indicate he intends to fight on soon, it is entirely possible that Haye-Briggs would be sanctioned for that belt), that's also another path to a fight with Klitschko.
I know, lots of ifs and buts there, but certainly opportunities for Haye...
Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 27th June 14:49
Yiliterate said:
Indeed - but a very interesting turn of events if that is the outcome. I've never got any great sense from either the Klitschko or Joshua camps that they were aiming for the other - it has generally felt like Wlad was wanting pass his crown on to Joshua as the heir apparent. As such, it really wouldn't surprise me, assuming Fury were to receive a similar length of ban to Browne (i.e. 6 months), if Wlad were to say that his focus remains setting the record straight against Fury rather than exercising his right to contest the IBF belt with Joshua.
There again, the Klitschkos have consistently portrayed an 'honourable champions' image and being seen to 'reward' a drugs cheat by granting them another crack at the world titles the moment their ban expires might not sit comfortably with them. In which case, I spy with my little eye something beginning with 'O'(pportunity for David Haye to gatecrash the title scene again!!!).
i really want to see him come out clean, and then for the rematch to happen on the level. not for fury's sake but for wlad's...i really get the sense he wants to right the wrong which i think would be far more satisfying than being given the belts back and having the contest called a n/c.There again, the Klitschkos have consistently portrayed an 'honourable champions' image and being seen to 'reward' a drugs cheat by granting them another crack at the world titles the moment their ban expires might not sit comfortably with them. In which case, I spy with my little eye something beginning with 'O'(pportunity for David Haye to gatecrash the title scene again!!!).
i definitely get the sense that joshua doesn't want the klitschko fight yet...to be honest i think at 17 fights while still learning he IS a bit too green yet.
i think that you've got to take the haye threat seriously....i don't think you could bet against him confidently versus joshua(too green?) , wilder (haye smashed him to bits in sparring and is quick enough to catch him again) or even wlad(looked s
t in his defence against jennings...is he starting to get too old?..he is my fking age after all!)...he wipes the floor with the chagaev's of the world at this point...
be interesting to see how it all plays out..
Having A Barth said:
I think Haye needs to fight some more credible opponents before Wlad and the boys consider giving him a go again. He has to earn it. Saying that I'm stuck when thinking of alternative options to step into the mix, most of them have already had a go and been found wanting. Ortiz perhaps.........
haye is big business though mate, he's got more twitter followers than fury and joshua combined....not that it really means anything but it's a big indicator that he is a proper household name...when he fought wlad there was 65,000 people there at the imtech....when wlad fought pulev(who i saw as a bigger risk than haye at the time) there was 22,000 at the o2 world over the road....Yiliterate said:
Maybe, but in terms of 'earning' it, Haye's already ranked #5 with the WBA and I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he goes very close to the top of the pile if he beats Briggs, who is ranked #6 with them (don't forget, the WBA are likely to be pretty amenable toward Haye anyway as he held their titles at both Heavyweight and Cruiserweight previously).
Of course, a lot will depend on how things now stand with the WBA and their proposed 'unification' tournament. Ortiz ('interim' WBA champ) is scheduled to fight Ustinov in September and I think the winner is then supposed to be fighting Oquendo. Meanwhile, who knows what's going on with the 'regular' WBA belt given Browne was stripped and Chagaev had announced his retirement after losing that fight. So if Fury were to be stripped, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the WBA were to say Wlad fights the winner of Haye-Briggs for the 'super' title...
Alternatively, the 'regular' title could also come back into play - if Haye were to get hold of that (and if Chagaev doesn't indicate he intends to fight on soon, it is entirely possible that Haye-Briggs would be sanctioned for that belt), that's also another path to a fight with Klitschko.
I know, lots of ifs and buts there, but certainly opportunities for Haye...
i thought chagaev stuck with it after browne was forced to relinquish but i might be wrong there....Of course, a lot will depend on how things now stand with the WBA and their proposed 'unification' tournament. Ortiz ('interim' WBA champ) is scheduled to fight Ustinov in September and I think the winner is then supposed to be fighting Oquendo. Meanwhile, who knows what's going on with the 'regular' WBA belt given Browne was stripped and Chagaev had announced his retirement after losing that fight. So if Fury were to be stripped, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the WBA were to say Wlad fights the winner of Haye-Briggs for the 'super' title...
Alternatively, the 'regular' title could also come back into play - if Haye were to get hold of that (and if Chagaev doesn't indicate he intends to fight on soon, it is entirely possible that Haye-Briggs would be sanctioned for that belt), that's also another path to a fight with Klitschko.
I know, lots of ifs and buts there, but certainly opportunities for Haye...
Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 27th June 14:49
FredClogs said:
I'm no biologist or endocrinologist, but... How are the "normal" levels of these hormones and stuff calculated, it stands to reason that a huge guy like Fury will have more of most things than a normal person and added to his pretty extreme on/off training regime would lead to hormonal highs and lows, right? That said its a bit weird Hughies been done as well, and I cant vouch for their moral standing on things given, you know some of the pasts of those around them.
I'm a bit gutted to be honest, I'd invested in Fury, started to even like the knob.
i remember reading all the bumf at the time mayweather was on the iv drip....i think the experts know what constitutes normal/high/low and so an abnormally high reading isn't black or white rather investigated further....but yeah, i'm as in the dark as you pal!I'm a bit gutted to be honest, I'd invested in Fury, started to even like the knob.
tuscaneer said:
i thought chagaev stuck with it after browne was forced to relinquish but i might be wrong there....
Well, the WBA website shows him reinstated as regular champion, but I can't recall seeing anything saying he was definitely going to continue around that time...couldn't find anything on Google either. Time will tell I guess...Lambojim said:
Bet of the year IMHO.
Dillian Whyte is fit - he has a point to prove - he is fighting a chap that would struggle to punch his way out of a thin paper bag and has had no time to prepare for this fight.
Bet 365 are offering 11-1 for first round Whyte win.
That is worth a tickle I think, a big tickle.
Only 5 rounds out.Dillian Whyte is fit - he has a point to prove - he is fighting a chap that would struggle to punch his way out of a thin paper bag and has had no time to prepare for this fight.
Bet 365 are offering 11-1 for first round Whyte win.
That is worth a tickle I think, a big tickle.
Just watched the highlights of Thurman v Porter
Fantastic fight.
Seeing 2 fighters give it their all. I imagine talk of Mayweather coming out of retirement would look less likely if he had to come back and face either of these 2.
Ive rated Thurman for a while now, but he deserves being acknowledged as the best welterweight.
Would love to see those behind the scenes secure a Thurman v Brook fight
Fantastic fight.
Seeing 2 fighters give it their all. I imagine talk of Mayweather coming out of retirement would look less likely if he had to come back and face either of these 2.
Ive rated Thurman for a while now, but he deserves being acknowledged as the best welterweight.
Would love to see those behind the scenes secure a Thurman v Brook fight
link to daily wail report yesterday.....
looks like fury is trying to blame the high levels of nandrolone on "contaminated" meat......i'd have to check it out with the FSA but as far as i'm aware it's not permitted in the uk meat industry?
it's a massively complicated area using anabolic steroids to promote growth in livestock and the laws are different all over the world..for instance in america they spray an enzyme onto carcasses which is illegal in the eu....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-36...
looks like fury is trying to blame the high levels of nandrolone on "contaminated" meat......i'd have to check it out with the FSA but as far as i'm aware it's not permitted in the uk meat industry?
it's a massively complicated area using anabolic steroids to promote growth in livestock and the laws are different all over the world..for instance in america they spray an enzyme onto carcasses which is illegal in the eu....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-36...
and as for the ankle....well it looks ok here!!
https://www.facebook.com/388714147872632/videos/10...
https://www.facebook.com/388714147872632/videos/10...
tuscaneer said:
and as for the ankle....well it looks ok here!!
https://www.facebook.com/388714147872632/videos/10...
I don't think this is going to end well, do you?https://www.facebook.com/388714147872632/videos/10...
To be fair I can understand why the rematch can't go ahead whilst the doping allegations are still at large, and whilst the affable rogue will win him some friends it's not going to win over the boxing public, promoters confidence or get the respect of his peers, and he's made some money up to now but had he made f
k you money? Don't think so.FredClogs said:
I don't think this is going to end well, do you?
To be fair I can understand why the rematch can't go ahead whilst the doping allegations are still at large, and whilst the affable rogue will win him some friends it's not going to win over the boxing public, promoters confidence or get the respect of his peers, and he's made some money up to now but had he made fk you money? Don't think so.
the video of him bouncing round in the bar AFTER pulling out "injured" is a massive fTo be fair I can understand why the rematch can't go ahead whilst the doping allegations are still at large, and whilst the affable rogue will win him some friends it's not going to win over the boxing public, promoters confidence or get the respect of his peers, and he's made some money up to now but had he made f
k you money? Don't think so.k you to the fans.i really hope the rematch happens for the sake of wlad. i want him to get his revenge in a boxing ring not a court of law.fury earned well from the first fight....but once everyone in team fury has had their pound of flesh , HMRC will want a bite of the cherry too.......there won't be retirement amounts left!
tuscaneer said:
link to daily wail report yesterday.....
looks like fury is trying to blame the high levels of nandrolone on "contaminated" meat......i'd have to check it out with the FSA but as far as i'm aware it's not permitted in the uk meat industry?
it's a massively complicated area using anabolic steroids to promote growth in livestock and the laws are different all over the world..for instance in america they spray an enzyme onto carcasses which is illegal in the eu....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-36...
Well he has Irish roots; maybe he eats horse meat? The Irish were selling it to us just a few years back looks like fury is trying to blame the high levels of nandrolone on "contaminated" meat......i'd have to check it out with the FSA but as far as i'm aware it's not permitted in the uk meat industry?
it's a massively complicated area using anabolic steroids to promote growth in livestock and the laws are different all over the world..for instance in america they spray an enzyme onto carcasses which is illegal in the eu....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-36...
An ex race horse will almost certainly have been doped
Good night of action on Saturday overall
I was really disappointing in AJ though. Showed so little variety and imagination in his boxing, not enough combinations and not enough aggression either. Breazele was so poor, his boxing ability was worse than I expected it was non existent. AJ should have got him out of there earlier.
AJ was too predictable for me. Don't know if I am right about this but to me it seems like he has been over-training in the gym he didn't seem to have the energy to finish him off it's like he was afraid to really go for it in case he tires himself out and hasn't got the knockout in the process.
He's got the power and speed to smash Breazele to pieces within two rounds, didn't do it though..
It is very interesting if he takes the Haye fight. As much as I like AJ and want him to do well, based on what he did last night he would get the shock of his life vs Haye.
I was really disappointing in AJ though. Showed so little variety and imagination in his boxing, not enough combinations and not enough aggression either. Breazele was so poor, his boxing ability was worse than I expected it was non existent. AJ should have got him out of there earlier.
AJ was too predictable for me. Don't know if I am right about this but to me it seems like he has been over-training in the gym he didn't seem to have the energy to finish him off it's like he was afraid to really go for it in case he tires himself out and hasn't got the knockout in the process.
He's got the power and speed to smash Breazele to pieces within two rounds, didn't do it though..
It is very interesting if he takes the Haye fight. As much as I like AJ and want him to do well, based on what he did last night he would get the shock of his life vs Haye.
Fittster said:
Chad_Hugo said:
It is very interesting if he takes the Haye fight. As much as I like AJ and want him to do well, based on what he did last night he would get the shock of his life vs Haye.
Which credible HW has Haye ever beaten? I think Haye vs Joshua would be a very intriguing fight (assuming Haye can get close to his previous level).
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