The **BOXING** thread Vol 2

[Yiliterate]

So it was a spoof then...but a spoof in support of a decent cause at least.


There's a suggestion that the WBO are looking to set up a 4-man tournament for the vacant belt, involving Parker, Ruiz, Haye and Hughie Fury.

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/10/14/news/wbo...

Might be a more appealing route for Haye than going for the WBA title, where Lucas Browne, Fres Oquendo, Luis Ortiz, Wlad (or possibly AJ) are all in the mix.

[Yiliterate]

Yiliterate said:

There's a suggestion that the WBO are looking to set up a 4-man tournament for the vacant belt, involving Parker, Ruiz, Haye and Hughie Fury.

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/10/14/news/wbo...

Might be a more appealing route for Haye than going for the WBA title, where Lucas Browne, Fres Oquendo, Luis Ortiz, Wlad (or possibly AJ) are all in the mix.

Idea no.2 - Haye fights winner of Parker-Ruiz:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2016/10/20/david...

[tuscaneer]

meanwhile......looks like the rumors are true??

klitschko/browne for the wba and ibo belt, and joshua fighting pricey after all the st flung about how piss poor eric molina is as an opponent.

we can only assume the plan is back to what bonte hinted at last week......wlad/aj in a massive stadium fight next march.....provided they both win in december of course


http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/20/lucas-browne-and-box...

[tuscaneer]

and don't forget......wilder is fit and healthy and looking to take someone out again soon...

i used to think he was a bit of a joke but i'm warming more and more to him you know...he isn't a particularly skillful boxer but you know that power he carries is always gonna be a great equalizer

[Yiliterate]

That's interesting - I can understand the stadium fight angle but March obviously wouldn't be the typical time to hold a fight outdoors, unless you are talking about a stadium with a roof (e.g Calzaghe vs Kessler at the Millennium stadium in November); which kind of raises the question of why they couldn't do that now. Personally, I can't really understand why the WBA wouldn't sanction the unification fight with Joshua (and point Browne in the direction of his old 'regular' title with a fight against Oquendo or Ortiz), unless conversations have been going on behind the scenes to steer them towards that outcome (which is the suggestion).

Consequently, I have a sneaking suspicion that WK may actually be thinking about a unification fight in March, but to regain the WBO belt rather than with Joshua for the IBF title. In all honesty, it would be a massive shock if Wlad were to lose to Browne, even if he is on the downward slope of his career, and another big shock if he wasn't able to beat the winner of Parker-Ruiz. Do that and he's written another chapter in his legacy (how he regained the unified heavyweight championship that he would have been fighting for if the Fury rematch had gone ahead), before a 'fight for the ages' with Joshua in Wembley, the Allianz Arena, etc in the summer. I think that legacy angle must be coming into it though because all things considered, if his main aim was to take the scalp of Anthony Joshua, the best time to be doing that is straight away. Waiting another six/nine months will only favour Joshua, both in terms of age and experience. That's not to say WK would have no chance if they were to fight next summer, but I can't see it improving his odds.

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

and don't forget......wilder is fit and healthy and looking to take someone out again soon...

i used to think he was a bit of a joke but i'm warming more and more to him you know...he isn't a particularly skillful boxer but you know that power he carries is always gonna be a great equalizer

Where do things stand with the on-again-off-again fight with Povetkin now? Last I can remember hearing was that the WBC were going to make Povetkin and Stiverne fight a final eliminator (quite why I'm not sure, if Povetkin had been exonerated) but clearly that hasn't yet come to fruition...

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

Where do things stand with the on-again-off-again fight with Povetkin now? Last I can remember hearing was that the WBC were going to make Povetkin and Stiverne fight a final eliminator (quite why I'm not sure, if Povetkin had been exonerated) but clearly that hasn't yet come to fruition...

as far as i know povetkin/stiverne is still on for december in an eliminator for a crack at wilder......don't know who wilder is fighting in the meantime though

[FredClogs]

Wilder doesn't want to be matched to Stiverne again, surely? Surely he wants to be moving his career in a forward direction?

So what was David Hayes big announcement? That's he becoming increasingly irrelevant?

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

That's interesting - I can understand the stadium fight angle but March obviously wouldn't be the typical time to hold a fight outdoors, unless you are talking about a stadium with a roof (e.g Calzaghe vs Kessler at the Millennium stadium in November); which kind of raises the question of why they couldn't do that now. Personally, I can't really understand why the WBA wouldn't sanction the unification fight with Joshua (and point Browne in the direction of his old 'regular' title with a fight against Oquendo or Ortiz), unless conversations have been going on behind the scenes to steer them towards that outcome (which is the suggestion).

Consequently, I have a sneaking suspicion that WK may actually be thinking about a unification fight in March, but to regain the WBO belt rather than with Joshua for the IBF title. In all honesty, it would be a massive shock if Wlad were to lose to Browne, even if he is on the downward slope of his career, and another big shock if he wasn't able to beat the winner of Parker-Ruiz. Do that and he's written another chapter in his legacy (how he regained the unified heavyweight championship that he would have been fighting for if the Fury rematch had gone ahead), before a 'fight for the ages' with Joshua in Wembley, the Allianz Arena, etc in the summer. I think that legacy angle must be coming into it though because all things considered, if his main aim was to take the scalp of Anthony Joshua, the best time to be doing that is straight away. Waiting another six/nine months will only favour Joshua, both in terms of age and experience. That's not to say WK would have no chance if they were to fight next summer, but I can't see it improving his odds.

while i'm disappointed wlad/aj isn't happening now i can certainly see the logic from k2's side....also, 6/7 weeks isn't THAT long to milk the fight for all it's worth whereas if they set out for next march now it can simmer along nicely.


if wlad becomes wba/ibo champion now at 40 years old it really does add another chapter to the story. 4 time world champ and behind only foreman in the age stakes....imagine if he then goes on to unify against joshua next year before either handing his rifle in or fighting the winner of wilder and povetkin/stiverne.....imagine if he could do that as a swansong!!!fkin' hell that would put him right up there with ali and louis

[Yiliterate]

FredClogs said:

Wilder doesn't want to be matched to Stiverne again, surely? Surely he wants to be moving his career in a forward direction?

So what was David Hayes big announcement? That's he becoming increasingly irrelevant?

I'm sure Wilder wouldn't particularly want to fight Stiverne again, but if he becomes mandatory the only way he can avoid is either to vacate or just fight unifications.

Re. Haye, he's fighting cancer (thankfully not directly):

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-us/cancer-ne...

[FredClogs]

Yiliterate said:

Re. Haye, he's fighting cancer (thankfully not directly):

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-us/cancer-ne...

Fair play to him for that. I don't know Shannon Briggs but I'm pretty sure he'd give a percentage of his purse up for the charity if Haye could muster the gonads to sort himself out and just get the fight on.

[tuscaneer]

wlad/joshua/parker/wilder/povetkin/ortiz/haye/fury/pulev/ruiz/duhaupas/price/browne/stiverne.........

all these guys were around 12 months ago .....but much in the same way formula one was seen as boring when shumacher was on top but suddenly got interesting when he started to lose........it's fking mad how wlad loses once and the division is absolutely alive again!!

there is genuinely 10 fights to be made right now that would be really interesting

[dirty boy]

Ogogo v Cunningham this Saturday.

Obviously one eye on this because he's a local lad (and my son is chasing his age 10 50m butterfly club record! - 2 months left to beat it )

Cunningham is a decent fighter, Ogogo has had his issues, always been liable to injury and that's kept him out of the ring for far too long as a 27 year old, so I think making Ogogo such a heavy favourite is a little generous, but he should win it (but it's boxing)

It's an interesting fight, because a win puts him in contention for decent fights in a relatively exciting division within the UK, Eubank, BJS etc.

Fingers crossed he wins well.

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

wlad/joshua/parker/wilder/povetkin/ortiz/haye/fury/pulev/ruiz/duhaupas/price/browne/stiverne.........

all these guys were around 12 months ago .....but much in the same way formula one was seen as boring when shumacher was on top but suddenly got interesting when he started to lose........it's fking mad how wlad loses once and the division is absolutely alive again!!

there is genuinely 10 fights to be made right now that would be really interesting

Not sure which Fury you're referring to, but whichever, you missed the other one

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

Not sure which Fury you're referring to, but whichever, you missed the other one

alright,alright you fking pedant!.......

[tuscaneer]

dirty boy said:

Ogogo v Cunningham this Saturday.

Obviously one eye on this because he's a local lad (and my son is chasing his age 10 50m butterfly club record! - 2 months left to beat it )

Cunningham is a decent fighter, Ogogo has had his issues, always been liable to injury and that's kept him out of the ring for far too long as a 27 year old, so I think making Ogogo such a heavy favourite is a little generous, but he should win it (but it's boxing)

It's an interesting fight, because a win puts him in contention for decent fights in a relatively exciting division within the UK, Eubank, BJS etc.

Fingers crossed he wins well.

i like ogogo....just want to see more punching and less prancing.....but i suppose he gets a pass for wearing all them glittery leotards as he was recovering .....sonny liston or jack dempsey wouldn't have pulled any of that st though!!

[Chad_Hugo]

Wlad running scared and taking the easy option instead of just fighting AJ for whatever belts are on the table now

In a way is makes sense- he will get an easier fight now which he will feel very comfortable in winning, make a few million, and then get paid more IF he decided to fight AJ next year, as that fight will then be even bigger and will have a bigger build up.

From another angle though it makes no sense- if he see's AJ as too tough a fight now, in 2017 that fight is twice as hard and he will have no chance. A tired 41 year old with all his millions in the bank and his legacy in place, vs a huge hard hitting 28 year old who is stronger, more athletic, quicker and let's face it far hungrier.

His only (very small chance) is to take the fight now.

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

dirty boy said:

Ogogo v Cunningham this Saturday.

Obviously one eye on this because he's a local lad (and my son is chasing his age 10 50m butterfly club record! - 2 months left to beat it )

Cunningham is a decent fighter, Ogogo has had his issues, always been liable to injury and that's kept him out of the ring for far too long as a 27 year old, so I think making Ogogo such a heavy favourite is a little generous, but he should win it (but it's boxing)

It's an interesting fight, because a win puts him in contention for decent fights in a relatively exciting division within the UK, Eubank, BJS etc.

Fingers crossed he wins well.

i like ogogo....just want to see more punching and less prancing.....but i suppose he gets a pass for wearing all them glittery leotards as he was recovering .....sonny liston or jack dempsey wouldn't have pulled any of that st though!!

Not so fast, my friend. Sonny Liston was famous for his skipping routine to James Brown's 'Night Train' - I'd wager 'Strictly...' would have been right up his street!

[tuscaneer]

Chad_Hugo said:

Wlad running scared and taking the easy option instead of just fighting AJ for whatever belts are on the table now

In a way is makes sense- he will get an easier fight now which he will feel very comfortable in winning, make a few million, and then get paid more IF he decided to fight AJ next year, as that fight will then be even bigger and will have a bigger build up.

From another angle though it makes no sense- if he see's AJ as too tough a fight now, in 2017 that fight is twice as hard and he will have no chance. A tired 41 year old with all his millions in the bank and his legacy in place, vs a huge hard hitting 28 year old who is stronger, more athletic, quicker and let's face it far hungrier.

His only (very small chance) is to take the fight now.

makes perfect sense to me. as i said before...it's not the way i wanted it to play out but if wlad becomes a 4 time world champion he is in a very elite group indeed. and second only to big george in the age stakes. history will remember that.

i'm curious as to why you see him as having a very small chance now and none next year....it's only a couple of years ago he was bouncing joshua off the canvas with 12oz gloves on and headguards.....granted, in a real fight aj is hitting him back with 10oz gloves on too....but to discount one of the most dominant heavyweight champions of all time because of one flat performance against fury is not doing him justice.

don't get me wrong , i love joshua and hope to see him dominate for years but he needs to improve his footwork. monster power and good hand speed is only part of the story.you need to be crafty on your feet too.and aj's footwork isn't great
aj has looked sensational so far....but against who?...we know what wladimir ( prime or otherwise, as has been the case for the last few years certainly) is capable of as we've watched him clear out 2 generations of heavyweights.....we THINK we know what aj is capable of but he'll be a much better fighter in a year or 2 in my opinion if he keeps winning and learning.....but we haven't seen him beat anyone in the top 5 let alone the top 10 so far.we would know a lot more if he'd fought and beaten a povetkin/parker/pulev/ortiz.

you could argue that in beating carlos takam that joseph parker has fought a better guy than anyone aj has faced thus far...

for the record, i think a young hungry joshua stands a great chance of beating an old lion and veteran of knocking on 70 pro fights in wladimir....but to say wlad has no chance is inaccurate at best

Edited by tuscaneer on Friday 21st October 14:33

Edited by tuscaneer on Friday 21st October 14:34

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

Not so fast, my friend. Sonny Liston was famous for his skipping routine to James Brown's 'Night Train' - I'd wager 'Strictly...' would have been right up his street!

ha!!! i'd wager you'd never see a scowling liston taking st from that revil horwood tt