The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
FredClogs said:
So what happened to Haye Vs Shannon Briggs?
I wouldn't right off Shannon Briggs, he's got some really gruesome body punching and he's got experience that no one else (except WK) has in the heavyweight division these days. Plus his antics and personality make him box office.
Don't get me wrong - I think Briggs will be in with a decent chance of winning it against Browne. It's just that there are five other fighters not involved in title fights (i.e. outside of WK and Browne) that are ahead of Briggs in the WBA rankings, who arguably have a more 'legitimate' case for getting the shot. I wouldn't right off Shannon Briggs, he's got some really gruesome body punching and he's got experience that no one else (except WK) has in the heavyweight division these days. Plus his antics and personality make him box office.
Yeah I guess so, but it's what you expect from the boxing business. Ortiz has Malik Scott next weekend, if he comes through that (which he will) and pisses clean I expect Eddie will be trying hard to fix him something up to climb the rankings and get into eliminators. Cuban, Southpaw, failed drugs test... You can see why he's not going to be an easy sell.
As per most i don't buy too much into it, don't doubt it happened but its just a headline. Without knowing the full facts or seeing the full session we cant make an informed judgement.
A perfectly timed shot to the right spot doesn't need earth moving power and AJ is pretty stiff on defense. Big hitters like AJ can't go in there trying to knock sparring partners out, they dont get the rounds they need and finding worthwhile partner gets harder.
Sparring is a balancing act, when you're not throwing shows at full power you're going to invite a partner to take a few more risks and trouble you. Whether that's what happened we will probably never know.
A perfectly timed shot to the right spot doesn't need earth moving power and AJ is pretty stiff on defense. Big hitters like AJ can't go in there trying to knock sparring partners out, they dont get the rounds they need and finding worthwhile partner gets harder.
Sparring is a balancing act, when you're not throwing shows at full power you're going to invite a partner to take a few more risks and trouble you. Whether that's what happened we will probably never know.
Personally, I think it would have next-to-no bearing on the decision to fight Price. Drugs issues aside, after Thompson twice and Teper, Price is regarded as someone eminently beatable, yet it's safe to say he is more than capable of knocking out anyone in the division - that wouldn't have only just dawned on the Joshua camp after a sparring incident. In a way, it has echoes of the Haye-Harrison situation, for which Haye continues to be vilified. A fight with Price at this stage is something of a no-win for Joshua; beat him and he gets slaughtered for picking such a vulnerable opponent (hyped up to be some huge domestic clash), get sparked and the genuinely huge fight with Klitschko in the spring goes out of the window. I'd be surprised if a sparring incident had any meaningful bearing on that conclusion.
i think the decision to NOT fight price was made before this happened for the reasons stated before.....
and definitely sparring isn't fighting!!!....i found that out the hard way!..i'm honestly quite good in the gym but in front of 800 people with the spot lights on and some guy trying to decapitate me.....well, let's just say i turned into a bit of a 1-2 merchant
it's like the kovalev story..getting banged out by golovkin in camp....but there were all sorts of factors at play there...golovkin was mid camp and kovalev was just starting training apparently....loads of reasons for getting tagged, it may be that joshua was working on something in particular and wasn't thinking about something else....
what worries me is that throughout his short amateur career , his infamous dance against whyte and a fair few spar stories (price, wlad and now okolie among others) he has been over rather a lot
and definitely sparring isn't fighting!!!....i found that out the hard way!..i'm honestly quite good in the gym but in front of 800 people with the spot lights on and some guy trying to decapitate me.....well, let's just say i turned into a bit of a 1-2 merchant
it's like the kovalev story..getting banged out by golovkin in camp....but there were all sorts of factors at play there...golovkin was mid camp and kovalev was just starting training apparently....loads of reasons for getting tagged, it may be that joshua was working on something in particular and wasn't thinking about something else....
what worries me is that throughout his short amateur career , his infamous dance against whyte and a fair few spar stories (price, wlad and now okolie among others) he has been over rather a lot
It could well have happened, doesn't mean anything regarding December the 10th though.
Molina is not going to be very different to Breazele- a human punching bag more or less.
A shame Kubrat Pulev ducked AJ like many others have done, that would have been a interesting fight and a great learning experience for AJ.
I don't think we will see anything new against Eric Molina, other than a relatively straight forward TKO.
Molina is not going to be very different to Breazele- a human punching bag more or less.
A shame Kubrat Pulev ducked AJ like many others have done, that would have been a interesting fight and a great learning experience for AJ.
I don't think we will see anything new against Eric Molina, other than a relatively straight forward TKO.
lord trumpton said:
Anyone recommend a stream for the Pacquiao vargas fight?
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoxingStreams/comments/5b...The BoxNation HD link was excellent for the Paddy Barnes fight earlier, which is more than I can say for the fight.
Kaj91 said:
lord trumpton said:
Anyone recommend a stream for the Pacquiao vargas fight?
https://www.reddit.com/r/BoxingStreams/comments/5b...The BoxNation HD link was excellent for the Paddy Barnes fight earlier, which is more than I can say for the fight.
he's not the pacquiao of old.....but he's still pretty incredible for an old man of that many fights and 8 weight divisions!!
good pro debut under his belt for paddy barnes and a good win for jamie conlon....without having an absolute war as per usual!
was gutted that martin murray missed out on the abraham rematch next weekend.....but great news that chudinov has stepped in as replacement!!( fedor, the guy that got robbed against sturm....not dimitri, the unheard of "other chudinov" who lost to chris eubank a couple of years ago)
looking forward to seeing ortiz do a number on malik scott as well!!
good pro debut under his belt for paddy barnes and a good win for jamie conlon....without having an absolute war as per usual!
was gutted that martin murray missed out on the abraham rematch next weekend.....but great news that chudinov has stepped in as replacement!!( fedor, the guy that got robbed against sturm....not dimitri, the unheard of "other chudinov" who lost to chris eubank a couple of years ago)
looking forward to seeing ortiz do a number on malik scott as well!!
Yeah, some great action on the Pacquiao show. Really like the look of new WBO Featherweight champion Oscar Valdez, but agreed with the commentators that he needs to mix his tempo up a bit more by looking to box as well as blast. But someone who throws everything with bad intentions is always going to be entertaining!
Interesting to see Zou Shiming winning a world title as well; yet another vastly experienced and successful amateur becoming a professional world champion in short order (off the top of my head, Rigondeaux, Lomachenko, Usyk and now Shiming have all become champions within 10 pro fights or less in the last few years).
Interesting to see Zou Shiming winning a world title as well; yet another vastly experienced and successful amateur becoming a professional world champion in short order (off the top of my head, Rigondeaux, Lomachenko, Usyk and now Shiming have all become champions within 10 pro fights or less in the last few years).
For me manny looked sharp and determined. I saw flashes of the younger manny with some lightening combinations and slick footwork.
I'm not convinced his age is having a detrimental physical effect...I feel his age is more responsible for a more cautious manny. After marquez and that knock out counter I think manny is less reckless.
I could see it against vargas...seemed like he was wary of that counterpunch and proffered to box smarter rather than trying to create a storm.
I'm not convinced his age is having a detrimental physical effect...I feel his age is more responsible for a more cautious manny. After marquez and that knock out counter I think manny is less reckless.
I could see it against vargas...seemed like he was wary of that counterpunch and proffered to box smarter rather than trying to create a storm.
Yiliterate said:
Looks like the WBA have finally made their minds up about the Heavyweight title(s). Apparently they are happy to sanction Joshua-Klitschko for their 'super' belt, and have sanctioned Lucas Browne-Shannon Briggs for the regular belt.
Having thought about this, I've reached a conclusion...if I were Luis Ortiz, I'd be going bloody barmy with both those decisions!!! Amazingly for the WBA, at this moment in time they have no Heavyweight title holders; super, regular or interim. However, they do have rankings and presently their #1 ranked heavyweight is Luis Ortiz. Wladimir Klitschko was in line to fight for the WBA super title as a result of agreeing a re-match clause with Tyson Fury, which the WBA approved at the time...but that re-match is not happening! So why is Wladimir (ranked #2) still being given first bite at the belt ahead of Ortiz? Then the regular belt; okay, if the WBA are sympathetic to Browne's assertions that the failed drugs test was because his food was spiked, then it seems fair enough to give him the chance to regain it. But Shannon Briggs??? Ranked #8???
Just hope for Ortiz's sake that joining Matchroom will see him getting better treatment going forward (though clearly Eddie Hearn won't have been disappointed by the first decision given he campaigned for it...).
Developments...!Having thought about this, I've reached a conclusion...if I were Luis Ortiz, I'd be going bloody barmy with both those decisions!!! Amazingly for the WBA, at this moment in time they have no Heavyweight title holders; super, regular or interim. However, they do have rankings and presently their #1 ranked heavyweight is Luis Ortiz. Wladimir Klitschko was in line to fight for the WBA super title as a result of agreeing a re-match clause with Tyson Fury, which the WBA approved at the time...but that re-match is not happening! So why is Wladimir (ranked #2) still being given first bite at the belt ahead of Ortiz? Then the regular belt; okay, if the WBA are sympathetic to Browne's assertions that the failed drugs test was because his food was spiked, then it seems fair enough to give him the chance to regain it. But Shannon Briggs??? Ranked #8???
Just hope for Ortiz's sake that joining Matchroom will see him getting better treatment going forward (though clearly Eddie Hearn won't have been disappointed by the first decision given he campaigned for it...).
It looks like Haye is in the running to be offered a fight for the WBA 'Interim' World Heavyweight title against Alexander Ustinov. So, in terms of rankings, the WBA are lining up fighters ranked #5 and #8 for their 'Regular' title, while the guys ranked #3 and #6 face off for the lesser 'Interim' title. Meanwhile, they reserve the shot at their 'Super' belt for someone who isn't their #1 ranked contender by virtue of the fact he signed a re-match clause with someone who he won't be fighting against for the title...
Yep, makes sense to me
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/1064888...
Yiliterate said:
Developments...!
It looks like Haye is in the running to be offered a fight for the WBA 'Interim' World Heavyweight title against Alexander Ustinov. So, in terms of rankings, the WBA are lining up fighters ranked #5 and #8 for their 'Regular' title, while the guys ranked #3 and #6 face off for the lesser 'Interim' title. Meanwhile, they reserve the shot at their 'Super' belt for someone who isn't their #1 ranked contender by virtue of the fact he signed a re-match clause with someone who he won't be fighting against for the title...
Yep, makes sense to me
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/1064888...
It's got my fIt looks like Haye is in the running to be offered a fight for the WBA 'Interim' World Heavyweight title against Alexander Ustinov. So, in terms of rankings, the WBA are lining up fighters ranked #5 and #8 for their 'Regular' title, while the guys ranked #3 and #6 face off for the lesser 'Interim' title. Meanwhile, they reserve the shot at their 'Super' belt for someone who isn't their #1 ranked contender by virtue of the fact he signed a re-match clause with someone who he won't be fighting against for the title...
Yep, makes sense to me
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/1064888...
kin head spinning ....now factor in for a second that us chaps in here have got a fair handle on this sport of ours. I wouldn't call us experts but I think it's fair to say we all know our apples from our oranges....What chance have we got of attracting new fans to the sport when it's this f
king complicated just to get to a title holder...never mind the "heavyweight champion of the world" proper...Joe Louis would be turning in his grave Yeah, so much politics as Fred alluded to above. Personally, I'd be very surprised if Haye took the shot at this third-tier title as it would probably mean giving up his mandatory shot at the winner of Parker-Ruiz for the WBO belt - plus no doubt Ustinov's people will be looking to stage the fight in Russia, which may not be especially enticing for Haye!
ustinov is never going to be the second coming of floyd mayweather.......but even so, he's gone from being a big st lump to someone who has worked hard to up his conditioning and he's not bad any more!!!he's only ever lost to pulev and can take a hellacious licking....so maybe a comebacking haye knows he'd go late to probably beat him on points and he hasn't yet shown that hayemaker #2 has got the engine for a long hard fight.
t lump to someone who has worked hard to up his conditioning and he's not bad any more!!!he's only ever lost to pulev and can take a hellacious licking....so maybe a comebacking haye knows he'd go late to probably beat him on points and he hasn't yet shown that hayemaker #2 has got the engine for a long hard fight.
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