The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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I agree with you Terry. AJ is phenomenal, but is too untested and inexperienced to be considered one of the P4P contenders. I have no doubt that he will be one day, but not yet.
If he knocks Klitschko out next year then maybe. Just maybe. If he knocks Klitscho out, beats Wilder and Parker (assuming he wins the title) and unifies the whole division, then he enters the top 5.
If he knocks Klitschko out next year then maybe. Just maybe. If he knocks Klitscho out, beats Wilder and Parker (assuming he wins the title) and unifies the whole division, then he enters the top 5.
TerryThomas said:
There's been some talk at work this morning about Saturday's event, and one of my staff was singing the praises of AJ. That's fine, I like him too but I suggested that he's got a way to go until he's considered among the best boxers on the planet. This fella took exception to that and vehemently insisted he was top of the pile already. Not just among the heavyweight division, but in boxing as a whole.
I said he's nowhere near GGG or Ward amongst others (He's too inexperienced to be talked of in their bracket IMO).
What's the opinion on here? Does AJ make you top 5 boxers? Top 10?
I wouldn't say so. Great potential and fair play to being IBF world champion but he hasn't really fought anyone that is world class. Career has been carefully managed, but who is he going to fight over the next few years that will test him? I said he's nowhere near GGG or Ward amongst others (He's too inexperienced to be talked of in their bracket IMO).
What's the opinion on here? Does AJ make you top 5 boxers? Top 10?
If Fury could sort himself out then he would be a good shout, but its a limited field.
hole near ate his y fronts during that
Gerradi said:
Can knocking out a target like Martin make him a P4P?
What an insult to SRR, SRL , RJJ. Toney, Clazaghe etc ...you mate does not know anything about boxers imo
Agree entirely and I suspect AJ himself would too.What an insult to SRR, SRL , RJJ. Toney, Clazaghe etc ...you mate does not know anything about boxers imo
He is way down the pecking order even of today.
Beating Wladimir (assuming he wins Saturday too) would see his pedigree rocket, but perhaps not so much since Fury beat Wlad, which regardless of whether it's right or wrong, will diminish the achievements of beating what would then be considered a non-prime Wlad.
Ortiz is a huge fighter with excellent amateur pedigree and has beaten a few reasonable opponents...he would be a good step in the right direction for AJ. Then of course it's Wilder and if it can be done.....Fury.
All AJ has to do is beat the best out there in his division at the moment and then we can decide where he stands, but the division certainly is showing signs of improvement in quality which would aid his standing in history.
Oddly, he'll need wins over 'characters/prominent names' like Wilder, Wlad, Fury and perhaps Haye as they'll boost his profile as much as his record.
Long way to go for AJ i'm afraid.
Yazza54 said:
Forgive my complete ignorance, but is this Molina fella any good? I've just looked him up and the pair of them facing off looks like AJ vs the guy who runs my local kebab shop.
He went 9 rounds with Wilder, which at the time was seen as quite a big deal, it was Wilders first defence and (except for when he won the title) no one had taken him outside a couple of rounds.He's also beaten Adamek recently, who's had a decent career but is probably over now and to be fair is not a full size heavyweight.
I imagine AJ will walk through this guy if he catches him but if Molina runs around for 4 or 5 rounds and gets AJ a bit out of shape, who knows? Most commentary I've read agrees AJ is not yet the finished article and is a bit one dimensional, but that dimension is pretty awesome, watching clips of him on the mitts and the heavy bag it's really quite shocking how hard he hits - we'll see on saturday.
TerryThomas said:
For me he'd scrape into the top 10 as things stand.
He's got the potential, but to put him in the Top 10 at the moment would mean having him ahead of at least two of the following (in no particular order); Ward, Kovalev, Golovkin, Pacquiao, Chocolatito, Alvarez, Linares, Frampton, Crawford, Lomachencko, Rigondeaux. In fairness, there's probably four or five from the Welterweight division alone that would have stronger claims to be in the P4P rankings than Joshua... TerryThomas said:
You're more knowledgeable than me, so I'd go along with that. I don't really follow the smaller weight categories.
Wouldn't necessarily say that and, to your credit, I'd certainly fancy Joshua to beat pretty much anyone on that list...though a fight with Chocolatito might be a bit like that scene in Rocky where Mickey has him trying to catch the chicken! 
Yiliterate said:
Wouldn't necessarily say that and, to your credit, I'd certainly fancy Joshua to beat pretty much anyone on that list...though a fight with Chocolatito might be a bit like that scene in Rocky where Mickey has him trying to catch the chicken!
It's not the same thing but almost, there's video on you tube of Oscar de la Hoya having a long and pretty serious boxing match with Shaquille O'Neil for a TV show, it's interesting and amusing 
Poignant read.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38248752
It's amazing that Jerome is still so positive in life when you read all the things that just don't come up when speaking to hom
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38248752
It's amazing that Jerome is still so positive in life when you read all the things that just don't come up when speaking to hom
TerryThomas said:
There's been some talk at work this morning about Saturday's event, and one of my staff was singing the praises of AJ. That's fine, I like him too but I suggested that he's got a way to go until he's considered among the best boxers on the planet. This fella took exception to that and vehemently insisted he was top of the pile already. Not just among the heavyweight division, but in boxing as a whole.
I said he's nowhere near GGG or Ward amongst others (He's too inexperienced to be talked of in their bracket IMO).
What's the opinion on here? Does AJ make you top 5 boxers? Top 10?
He probably only just makes my top 5 in the UK P4P if you exclude Fury and Degale, Frampton, Brook and maybe Khan are ahead of him. I said he's nowhere near GGG or Ward amongst others (He's too inexperienced to be talked of in their bracket IMO).
What's the opinion on here? Does AJ make you top 5 boxers? Top 10?
Look at world P4P and you've got, Rigo, loma, ward, Kovalev, Alvarez, manny, GGG, Crawford, gonzalez, Stevenson, Santa Cruz and Usyk and that's just off the top of my head.
Not to say Joshua won't get there, but he's unproven and by and large been knocking over people that in years gone by would have no business fighting for the heavyweight title. Whyte is probably his biggest test and he won't get past Euro level imo.
TerryThomas said:
There's been some talk at work this morning about Saturday's event, and one of my staff was singing the praises of AJ. That's fine, I like him too but I suggested that he's got a way to go until he's considered among the best boxers on the planet. This fella took exception to that and vehemently insisted he was top of the pile already. Not just among the heavyweight division, but in boxing as a whole.
I said he's nowhere near GGG or Ward amongst others (He's too inexperienced to be talked of in their bracket IMO).
What's the opinion on here? Does AJ make you top 5 boxers? Top 10?
He's a long way behind Tyson Fury, he's said himself it is a couple of years too soon for the Fury fight, (why they are the same age?)I said he's nowhere near GGG or Ward amongst others (He's too inexperienced to be talked of in their bracket IMO).
What's the opinion on here? Does AJ make you top 5 boxers? Top 10?
Also think cousin Hughie fury might beat joshua too and joshua would alo struggle against klitschko and dante wilder.
Merc 450 said:
He's a long way behind Tyson Fury, he's said himself it is a couple of years too soon for the Fury fight, (why they are the same age?)
Also think cousin Hughie fury might beat joshua too and joshua would alo struggle against klitschko and dante wilder.
Hughie is so feather fisted (and that's with PEDs!) he would have no chance against AJ. Also think cousin Hughie fury might beat joshua too and joshua would alo struggle against klitschko and dante wilder.
tuscaneer said:
He doesn't look at all fleshy. 2lb is a big ask for such a small guy....
...and one he clearly made no attempt to try and achieve; apparently he only weighed 3oz lighter second time around so has been stripped of the title.Yafai has agreed to still go ahead with the fight though, with the belt on the line for him only...not that he had much choice really; apparently the WBA weren't even guaranteeing him a crack at the vacant title if he'd refused to fight Concepcion as he's only ranked #11 with them (this shot being a voluntary defence). As such, to lift the belt, he's now having to beat an opponent who has a weight advantage and evidently hasn't harmed his chances of winning the fight itself by making any kind of effort to sweat off those lbs. Really hope Yafai can do this!!!
Edited by Yiliterate on Saturday 10th December 00:58
The chisora Whyte match has actually got me quite interested now, even though it's no longer for a title I'm predicting a bit of a tear up and del boy may not be the boxer he was but his pressure style and work rate could unsettle Whyte who's had a pretty easy career apart from AJ and didn't look great in his last fight.
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