The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
Off topic but a divorce could see Khan take on the Kell Brook fight for the money 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/2373392/amir-khans-...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/2373392/amir-khans-...
TerryThomas said:
May I ask why?
Because Haye has a weak track record at HW.The fact he's a celebrity / has name recognition / was an excellent cruiserweight doesn't mean I'm interested in seeing him fight at HW.
The downsides of David Haye.
1. He's got a track record of pulling out of fights (multiple times against Fury). When you don't even fancy getting in the ring with Shannon Briggs, I don't see why you should get a shot at AJ.
2. He's got a poor pedigree at HW. Best win is arguable Del Boy or a Russian Circus freak.
3. I remember the Klitschko fight. 12 rounds of not engaging because of a poorly toe.
4. The incredibly poor quality of the opposition he's taken on since returning to boxing. If he wants a shot at the title lets see him get in the ring with a credible contender (and no, Bellew doesn't count).
5. He's old and small. He fights at HW because that's where the money is, physically he's a Cruiserweight. He's giving away a significant size advantage against AJ. Now you could argue that his speed will make up for that but I don't buy it. He's getting on so his speed will be reducing and if his speed is vital to him why's he returned to boxing with a lot more muscle bulk than he used to carry which will slow him down?
6. He retires from boxing and the procedures that go with it, returns with a lot more muscle.....
He's old and he's lost a lot of money in a divorce. The biggest possible pay day available to him is AJ (which is fair enough, the same applies to pretty much all HWs) but why should he get a title shot based on his come back fights or previous results? He doesn't seem interested in fighting other contenders which suggests to me he knows his best days are behind him and if he's found out by another contender he won't get his pay day.
If he manages to get a shot via PR rather than boxing I envisage a dull fight where Haye spends the entire fight trying not to get tagged and will retire quickly if hurt.
If Joshua is going to fight opponents based on how familiar the public are with their names can we expect AJ v Bruno ?
hyphen said:
Off topic but a divorce could see Khan take on the Kell Brook fight for the money
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/2373392/amir-khans-...
New York to Bolton. Hmmmm. Probably not going to work is it?https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/2373392/amir-khans-...
I was right about chisora and Whyte, I think they'll do it again for the British belt proper this time of chisora can keep himself in line.
Whyte has gotten better since the AJ fight but this weekend's match up exposed a number of flaws in his technique and ability.
He can hit, take a hit and go 12 convincing rounds (his conditioning has improved massively) but his footwork is lacking - he always looks unsteady on his feet, as if he could topple over at any second. He's a slugger rather than a technical boxer and I feel Chisora had the edge through most of that fight and deserved the win.
Haye on the other hand is underrated in my opinion and has never really had the opportunity to prove himself as a HW in the past due to generally piss poor behaviour and not taking the sport seriously. This time round I think he could go further with only AJ or Wilder providing a credible defence. Would have been nice to see a match up with Shannon but alas, more politics. Haye would annihliate Whyte.
AJ continues to go from strength to strength and whilst his opponents have been lacking quality, he has been consistent and impressive throughout.
Next April will tell just how far he has come.
He can hit, take a hit and go 12 convincing rounds (his conditioning has improved massively) but his footwork is lacking - he always looks unsteady on his feet, as if he could topple over at any second. He's a slugger rather than a technical boxer and I feel Chisora had the edge through most of that fight and deserved the win.
Haye on the other hand is underrated in my opinion and has never really had the opportunity to prove himself as a HW in the past due to generally piss poor behaviour and not taking the sport seriously. This time round I think he could go further with only AJ or Wilder providing a credible defence. Would have been nice to see a match up with Shannon but alas, more politics. Haye would annihliate Whyte.
AJ continues to go from strength to strength and whilst his opponents have been lacking quality, he has been consistent and impressive throughout.
Next April will tell just how far he has come.
David haye isn't small, he's 6ft3 and a decent weight for a heavy weight, yes he's not got the height of a Fury, Klitchko, AJ or Wilder and modern era heavyweights might be bigger on average than he is but someone at 6ft3 and 16 stone plus with his type of body still bang, hard and he could knock out anyone, he's unconventional and fast... Very fast. The klitchko fight might not have covered him in glory but he did the 12 left conscious and without much damage (save his toe). He's a decent age for a heavyweight and hasn't had many fights and fewer hard ones, I see no reason why he shouldn't be ranked right up there as a title contender. The only question mark is whether he wants to take the risks to get back to world title level (he's ducked Shannon briggs no doubt) or whether he just wants to promote himself and earn some money. I suspect the latter and who can blame him? Who really wants to be punched in the head by AJ?
FredClogs said:
David haye isn't small, he's 6ft3 and a decent weight for a heavy weight, yes he's not got the height of a Fury, Klitchko, AJ or Wilder and modern era heavyweights might be bigger on average than he is but someone at 6ft3 and 16 stone plus with his type of body still bang, hard and he could knock out anyone, he's unconventional and fast... Very fast. The klitchko fight might not have covered him in glory but he did the 12 left conscious and without much damage (save his toe). He's a decent age for a heavyweight and hasn't had many fights and fewer hard ones, I see no reason why he shouldn't be ranked right up there as a title contender. The only question mark is whether he wants to take the risks to get back to world title level (he's ducked Shannon briggs no doubt) or whether he just wants to promote himself and earn some money. I suspect the latter and who can blame him? Who really wants to be punched in the head by AJ?
Agreed.Haye is dangerous, but he needs a fight against Whyte or Parker or someone ranked to at least make it a sensible progression fo AJ to take him on as the money would most certainly be worthwhile.
AJ v Wlad then AJ v Wilder late next year surely has to happen? Can't see Haye getting a look in in the meantime.
Amirhussain said:
Fittster said:
Amirhussain said:
The fight we all want to see is Haye v AJ
I don't. Don't rate Haye as a HW in the slightest.dirty boy said:
FredClogs said:
David haye isn't small, he's 6ft3 and a decent weight for a heavy weight, yes he's not got the height of a Fury, Klitchko, AJ or Wilder and modern era heavyweights might be bigger on average than he is but someone at 6ft3 and 16 stone plus with his type of body still bang, hard and he could knock out anyone, he's unconventional and fast... Very fast. The klitchko fight might not have covered him in glory but he did the 12 left conscious and without much damage (save his toe). He's a decent age for a heavyweight and hasn't had many fights and fewer hard ones, I see no reason why he shouldn't be ranked right up there as a title contender. The only question mark is whether he wants to take the risks to get back to world title level (he's ducked Shannon briggs no doubt) or whether he just wants to promote himself and earn some money. I suspect the latter and who can blame him? Who really wants to be punched in the head by AJ?
Agreed.Haye is dangerous, but he needs a fight against Whyte or Parker or someone ranked to at least make it a sensible progression fo AJ to take him on as the money would most certainly be worthwhile.
AJ v Wlad then AJ v Wilder late next year surely has to happen? Can't see Haye getting a look in in the meantime.
Amirhussain said:
The fight we all want to see is Haye v AJ
No, we don't all want to see that. We'd prefer to see Haye prove he's still got it and let AJ get on with Wlad and Wilder?
Not a big fan these days of the way Haye conducts himself, but I'd still rate him up with anyone in the HW division, terrific fighter.
Agree with all of the previous posters though, no way he should be allowed a shot at Joshua until he's earned it, and he's fought no-one of note since returning to the ring.
Will be a shame if he doesn't, real waste of talent.
Agree with all of the previous posters though, no way he should be allowed a shot at Joshua until he's earned it, and he's fought no-one of note since returning to the ring.
Will be a shame if he doesn't, real waste of talent.
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