The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
The build up to this has been almost as good as Chisora vs Whyte, hope the fight is as good too..
As a fight, it's a pretty cynical exercise, Bellew has admitted he can't get a fight at good money in his own weight division so has basically fabricated this fake 'beef' so he can get a payday, at the expense of getting knocked out. His title is not on the line, he already has two losses on his record so to him not much to lose here.
Nobody outside of his inner circle thinks he can win, which makes it even more attractive to him. When he gets knocked out he doesn't lose much face as he can just fall back on the 'i fought a brilliant heavyweight, former world champion, amazing athlete etc etc' talk and continue at cruiser-weight.
The thing that really makes me want to see Bellew get wiped out here though is something different. He embarrassed himself beyond belief by making ridiculous comments about possibly fighting Anthony Joshua. I am far from a Bellew fan (he's a mediocre boxer) but this just shows how desperate and deluded he is. AJ could hospitalize him and end his career within 20 seconds. Hope those comments were a joke that I missed.
As a fight, it's a pretty cynical exercise, Bellew has admitted he can't get a fight at good money in his own weight division so has basically fabricated this fake 'beef' so he can get a payday, at the expense of getting knocked out. His title is not on the line, he already has two losses on his record so to him not much to lose here.
Nobody outside of his inner circle thinks he can win, which makes it even more attractive to him. When he gets knocked out he doesn't lose much face as he can just fall back on the 'i fought a brilliant heavyweight, former world champion, amazing athlete etc etc' talk and continue at cruiser-weight.
The thing that really makes me want to see Bellew get wiped out here though is something different. He embarrassed himself beyond belief by making ridiculous comments about possibly fighting Anthony Joshua. I am far from a Bellew fan (he's a mediocre boxer) but this just shows how desperate and deluded he is. AJ could hospitalize him and end his career within 20 seconds. Hope those comments were a joke that I missed.
FredClogs said:
No head or foot movement.Bet Mayweather is s
tting himself. 
FredClogs said:
Ok, so I'm going to play devils advocate, a bit, because I think Mayweather McGregor will happen, they both claim to want it and the money being talked about is insane for a risk free exhibition bout, McGregor is not scared to take anything on and risk loosing, we've seen that from his ufc career over the last 18 months, .Mayweather I'm not sure.
1) Connor Mcgregor is a fighter, it's not like he's a wwe wrestler or something, he knows the task at hand and he's been banged about enough times to know he can take mayweathers power, his speed and boxing ability may be too much for McGregor over 12 rounds but with the big gloves I've no doubt he won't get close to knocking McGregor out with one shot power.
2)McGregor is significantly bigger, he's got a freakish body, he's all shoulders and arms, his reach is bizarre. I don't know what weight they're going to agree on but I suspect it'll have to be 155 or over, which won't suit Mayweather who is essentially a dwarf, McGregor I suspect walks around well over 170.
3)McGregor has very fast hands and feet and whilst his movement in mma won't translate to boxing his southpaw stance and fast switch hitting creates power and speed that Mayweather won't have experienced before should he be hit.
4)in the clinch mcgregor will have wrestling and Thai boxing skills Mayweather won't be used to, we could easily see McGregor rag dolling Mayweather around in the clinch for a round or two, it won't please the ref or score him any points but it will unsettle Mayweather.
5) I'm sure we all love Naseem Hamed (right?) he had great boxing fundamentals (which McGregor doesn't) but he rarely in his career actually used them as his main mode of boxing, likewise Tyson Fury, in a boxing match quite often the unorthodox guy has a huge advantage because you just can't get the sparring to prepare for them, Mayweather is a known quantity (knowing and being able to do anything are different I accept.)
My money is staying in my pocket, I wouldn't bet on Mayweather though.
Anyway, here endeth todays pontifications.
McGregor sparring for those who haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geCXKT0hhdI
I see where you're coming from but no. Should it happen, this will be the easiest fight he has ever had in the ring. I'd also be amazed if McGregor made it to the 12th round as Mayweather would be able to end it anytime he wants to.1) Connor Mcgregor is a fighter, it's not like he's a wwe wrestler or something, he knows the task at hand and he's been banged about enough times to know he can take mayweathers power, his speed and boxing ability may be too much for McGregor over 12 rounds but with the big gloves I've no doubt he won't get close to knocking McGregor out with one shot power.
2)McGregor is significantly bigger, he's got a freakish body, he's all shoulders and arms, his reach is bizarre. I don't know what weight they're going to agree on but I suspect it'll have to be 155 or over, which won't suit Mayweather who is essentially a dwarf, McGregor I suspect walks around well over 170.
3)McGregor has very fast hands and feet and whilst his movement in mma won't translate to boxing his southpaw stance and fast switch hitting creates power and speed that Mayweather won't have experienced before should he be hit.
4)in the clinch mcgregor will have wrestling and Thai boxing skills Mayweather won't be used to, we could easily see McGregor rag dolling Mayweather around in the clinch for a round or two, it won't please the ref or score him any points but it will unsettle Mayweather.
5) I'm sure we all love Naseem Hamed (right?) he had great boxing fundamentals (which McGregor doesn't) but he rarely in his career actually used them as his main mode of boxing, likewise Tyson Fury, in a boxing match quite often the unorthodox guy has a huge advantage because you just can't get the sparring to prepare for them, Mayweather is a known quantity (knowing and being able to do anything are different I accept.)
My money is staying in my pocket, I wouldn't bet on Mayweather though.
Anyway, here endeth todays pontifications.
McGregor sparring for those who haven't seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geCXKT0hhdI
I've no doubts that in a street fight my money would go on McGregor but Mayweather stands far more of a chance in a street fight than McGregor does in a boxing ring.
So Thurman and Garcia. I keep going back and forth on this one. My heart says Thurman will ship some big punishment, maybe even get dropped once but does enough to win by a few rounds. But my head remembers that Garcia has fought the far better opposition and is far more experienced. Then again, he hasn't looked the same fighter (to my eyes at least) since he fought Matthysse.
Whoever wins, it should be a great boxing matches and it's definitely one of the top fights at Welterweight to be made.
With regards to Haye, he should absolutely demolish Bellew unless he hasn't got the speed and reflexes of old. We haven't seen him tested once since his comeback so it should be a good measuring stick of how much he has left.
Whoever wins, it should be a great boxing matches and it's definitely one of the top fights at Welterweight to be made.
With regards to Haye, he should absolutely demolish Bellew unless he hasn't got the speed and reflexes of old. We haven't seen him tested once since his comeback so it should be a good measuring stick of how much he has left.
tuscaneer said:
for me either thurman on points or garcia stoppage with one of those hooks.....thurman showed that he's quite (surprisingly) hittable in the porter fight. garcia only has to start connecting with those left hooks....
I *think* I agree. Thurman has thankfully begun showing that he isn't in love with his power and can box too. That may save him in this fight. But it should be a fantastic fight.Robatr0n said:
I *think* I agree. Thurman has thankfully begun showing that he isn't in love with his power and can box too. That may save him in this fight. But it should be a fantastic fight.
definitely pal, looking forward to see how it pans out....in other news i know i'm biased but i really hope derry flattens that smug, cocky t
t ohara davies on saturday....he's gone up a weight and is fired up for it 
http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12040/1078528...
Amirhussain said:
What do we think Bellews tactics gonna be Saturday night?
Try and drop to one knee as the breeze of the biggun comes in and claim he was hit whilst he was down. Bellew just isn't that good. He's slow on his feat and easy to hit. It's difficult to really see what he can do. If he fights on the back foot he's going to get run down and clobbered, if he tries to maintain a high and tight guard he's likely to crumble as body shots rain in on him... I guess his only other choice maybe a rope-a-dope style tactic but he's not as physically or mentally gifted as Ali and I can't see a modern ref allowing it.
Haye looked pretty good in the public workout last night, fast and fluid.
Bellew keeps waffling on about Haye being a cruiser weight.. the scales would indicate other wise.. let's remember last time out Bellew beat number 74 in the world... yes 74.
He's been in with an elite level boxer once with Adonis Stevenson and that ended up pretty one sided.
I think this time Bellew has more chance of winning Wimbledon this year. I'm not keen on him or the way he carries himself particularly but let's hope he comes out of this with no lasting damage.
Edited by m4tti on Thursday 2nd March 23:25
For me, the big question is over Haye. In reality, we still have essentially no idea what Haye 2.0 is really about. Over three years away from the ring, major surgery on his shoulder, and in his comeback less than three rounds in aggregate against little more than club-level fighters on which to gauge him. Add to that the unconventional diet and the unconventional training camp (along with other questions over his motivation) and really I've no idea of the level at which Haye is now operating strength-wise, stamina-wise, durability-wise or indeed his fortitude.
Personally, I hope Bellew is capable of asking a few questions of Haye and that Haye demonstrates he still has the answers. Nothing against Bellew in saying that; it's just if Haye 2.0 turns out to be a serious campaigner, that would be fantastic for the heavyweight division while Bellew can still carry on causing st-storms in the Cruiserweight division in his own inimitable way(!), whereas even if Bellew wins well (and fair play to him if he does), I still can't see him getting seriously in the mix with the likes of Joshua, Wilder, Klitschko (if he continues), the Furys, etc.
Roll on Saturday...
Personally, I hope Bellew is capable of asking a few questions of Haye and that Haye demonstrates he still has the answers. Nothing against Bellew in saying that; it's just if Haye 2.0 turns out to be a serious campaigner, that would be fantastic for the heavyweight division while Bellew can still carry on causing s
t-storms in the Cruiserweight division in his own inimitable way(!), whereas even if Bellew wins well (and fair play to him if he does), I still can't see him getting seriously in the mix with the likes of Joshua, Wilder, Klitschko (if he continues), the Furys, etc.Roll on Saturday...
Edited by Yiliterate on Friday 3rd March 08:13
Yiliterate said:
That said...Bellew vs Tyson Fury...can you imagine what the press conferences would be like?!?! PPV material in their own right!!!!! 
Hahahha it would be insane, like a care in the community showdown Haye did in fact have an expression like this earlier this week
Edited by m4tti on Friday 3rd March 07:19
the story of this fight will be the counter. i hate to pick against tony ....he's a total gent( all the antics are to sell fights, and it works!!) outside the ring.....
...but....when he throws bombs he has a habit of leaving his hands out there...if he comes forward he gets countered..if he tries to fight on the back foot haye will find the gaps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj6GacS1qYk
david haye is a fantatic counter puncher.....but he can place his shots with precision on the front foot too....don't leave him a gap or you're getting hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1VXckJ4zho
the only way to beat haye is to to control him with a piston like jab and put him under loads of positional pressure like wladimir did....don't let him set to throw but make him constantly reset and adjust because of your foot pressure.
i don't think bellew has a hope of doing this.....he's got a powerful clubbing dig but it comes too slowly to land on a mover like haye.
only one result here.
...but....when he throws bombs he has a habit of leaving his hands out there...if he comes forward he gets countered..if he tries to fight on the back foot haye will find the gaps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj6GacS1qYk
david haye is a fantatic counter puncher.....but he can place his shots with precision on the front foot too....don't leave him a gap or you're getting hit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1VXckJ4zho
the only way to beat haye is to to control him with a piston like jab and put him under loads of positional pressure like wladimir did....don't let him set to throw but make him constantly reset and adjust because of your foot pressure.
i don't think bellew has a hope of doing this.....he's got a powerful clubbing dig but it comes too slowly to land on a mover like haye.
only one result here.
I'm so bored of these pre-fight shenanigans now. Seems to happen with so many fights now It made for a slight story when it occasionally happened, but it's just unprofessional imo. I know it's hyped up to the limit and the PPV people love it - but as I've gotten older it's just too easy to see right through it ... boring now.
I might watch the fight on a stream if I remember! It just hacks me off, the hype. It's like Sky building up the LPool v Manyoo games every year, then it ends in a boring nil-niller. Yawn.
I might watch the fight on a stream if I remember! It just hacks me off, the hype. It's like Sky building up the LPool v Manyoo games every year, then it ends in a boring nil-niller. Yawn.
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