The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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Tough call to give that against Jacobs, I guess the knock down and the fact Golovkin never looked hurt or under pressure was enough to swing it, I wonder quite whether GGG was 100%, if that is the best him at the moment I doubt the super middleweight division is going to be running scared.
Jacob's stance changes and switch hitting showed a blue print for how to frustrate GGG and stop him picking up on the pattern, much like degale does. Very clever boxing and cornering, he'll be frustrated when he wakes up today but he can also be immensely proud.
Jacob's stance changes and switch hitting showed a blue print for how to frustrate GGG and stop him picking up on the pattern, much like degale does. Very clever boxing and cornering, he'll be frustrated when he wakes up today but he can also be immensely proud.
I know we didn't get to see a slugfest (if we had, Jacobs would have been knocked out) but I quite liked what we did see. It was a very technical fight with both men making adjustments. The switch hitting from both of them was a through back to fighters of old except the fighters of old used to do it to make are they always had a power shot set up which is something GGG has been doing himself for donkeys years. Jacobs was switch hitting to keep GGG frustrated and it worked very well.
Anyway, the right man won. I had them 6 rounds a piece but the knock down tipped it in GGG's favour. I don't think people can cry robbery when a fight is this close.
It was a shame to see Gonzalez lose as I really like him as a fighter and a person. I think the fight could and should have been scored a draw but ultimately super flyweight is just a little too big for him.
Anyway, the right man won. I had them 6 rounds a piece but the knock down tipped it in GGG's favour. I don't think people can cry robbery when a fight is this close.
It was a shame to see Gonzalez lose as I really like him as a fighter and a person. I think the fight could and should have been scored a draw but ultimately super flyweight is just a little too big for him.
Edited by Robatr0n on Sunday 19th March 09:16
Very interesting fight.
I think GGG showed Jacob's too much respect- particularly in the fist 3 rounds, he stood off him too much and didn't try to cut the distance down, was overly cautious in the early stages. Probably because Jacobs is a significantly bigger man and is regarded as a hard puncher, a mistake in my opinion. As the fight went on it became clear Jacobs can not, and will not hurt or knock GGG out.
He was only ever going to out-finesse him. Which IMO he did.
Even after the the 4th round knock down I just felt GGG was never active enough. I think his age and the number of fights and camps is possibly showing. He looked tired 6th round onward which again surprised me. Jacobs movement was first class- both footwork and head movement.
If you look at GGG's face closely, when he's in his corner especially for the first time in his career he looked confused and disjointed. Like he didn't know what to do. After the final bell again his face showed he did not do himself justice. I think he was relieved to get the win.
I had Jacob's winning narrowly, at very worst a draw. He did more, was more aggressive, was more positive and deserved at least a draw and rematch. GGG struggled with Jacob's superior movement and athleticism, he's a very flat footed boxer so someone that can hit and move effectively, while keeping him at range will give him serious problems.
Maybe GGG over-trained (he had quite poor energy levels i felt), maybe his age is the factor, or maybe Jacobs is far better that most gave him credit for. Regardless- looking at that performance Saunders, Canelo, even Eubank Jr. (don't laught!) have the blueprint on how to win.
I think GGG showed Jacob's too much respect- particularly in the fist 3 rounds, he stood off him too much and didn't try to cut the distance down, was overly cautious in the early stages. Probably because Jacobs is a significantly bigger man and is regarded as a hard puncher, a mistake in my opinion. As the fight went on it became clear Jacobs can not, and will not hurt or knock GGG out.
He was only ever going to out-finesse him. Which IMO he did.
Even after the the 4th round knock down I just felt GGG was never active enough. I think his age and the number of fights and camps is possibly showing. He looked tired 6th round onward which again surprised me. Jacobs movement was first class- both footwork and head movement.
If you look at GGG's face closely, when he's in his corner especially for the first time in his career he looked confused and disjointed. Like he didn't know what to do. After the final bell again his face showed he did not do himself justice. I think he was relieved to get the win.
I had Jacob's winning narrowly, at very worst a draw. He did more, was more aggressive, was more positive and deserved at least a draw and rematch. GGG struggled with Jacob's superior movement and athleticism, he's a very flat footed boxer so someone that can hit and move effectively, while keeping him at range will give him serious problems.
Maybe GGG over-trained (he had quite poor energy levels i felt), maybe his age is the factor, or maybe Jacobs is far better that most gave him credit for. Regardless- looking at that performance Saunders, Canelo, even Eubank Jr. (don't laught!) have the blueprint on how to win.
Surprising fight but enjoyable I thought Jacobs did a great job but when you are fighting the champ did he do it by enough of a margin to rip the belts away? I'm not so sure. I thought Jacobs corner was excellent and gave one or two precise instructions and in contrast Abel Sanchez who I like seemed void of ideas or how to handle him and even said just hit him anywhere as a piece of advice which come across a bit naive.
Robatr0n said:
I know we didn't get to see a slugfest (if we had, Jacobs would have been knocked out) but I quite liked what we did see. It was a very technical fight with both men making adjustments. The switch hitting from both of them was a through back to fighters of old except the fighters of old used to do it to make are they always had a power shot set up which is something GGG has been doing himself for donkeys years. Jacobs was switch hitting to keep GGG frustrated and it worked very well.
Anyway, the right man won. I had them 6 rounds a piece but the knock down tipped it in GGG's favour. I don't think people can cry robbery when a fight is this close.
It was a shame to see Gonzalez lose as I really like him as a fighter and a person. I think the fight could and should have been scored a draw but ultimately super flyweight is just a little too big for him.
i think golovkins problem was that he didn't make any adjustments. he looked one dimensional throughout the fight and had no answer for what jacobs was doing. i didn't like jacobs switch hitting though, it moved him onto golovkins right hand when he slid along the ropes as he was backing up.Anyway, the right man won. I had them 6 rounds a piece but the knock down tipped it in GGG's favour. I don't think people can cry robbery when a fight is this close.
It was a shame to see Gonzalez lose as I really like him as a fighter and a person. I think the fight could and should have been scored a draw but ultimately super flyweight is just a little too big for him.
Edited by Robatr0n on Sunday 19th March 09:16
for me golovkin did nothing the second half of the fight and i had jacobs by at least two rounds. i will re-watch the fight and count all the punches as i can't see where the compu box stats people got their numbers to support a golovkin win.
the gonzales fight was close and a case could be made for either fighter , golovkin jacobs not so much ,imo of course.
i thought it was a great fight, ....let me just start by referencing the rehydration clause for the IBF........jacobs looked like a fully fledged super middle in there the other night which undoubtedly helped him in the clinches.
jacobs head movement and lateral movement off the ropes was superb. this wasn't the same guy that got starched by pirog.....he was a level above that on saturday.
the first 3 rounds were very hard to score with both guys trying to get the timing of the other.....for me jacobs won the first, JUST won the second but golovkin took the third...
at the final bell my gut feeling was that jacobs had done just enough to squeak it even though ggg finished the 12th stronger....when i watched it back i had golovkin winning by a round because a lot of his subtle stuff i hadn't really picked up on first time around and a lot of what jacobs was throwing was getting caught on golovkin's gloves. appearances can be deceptive sometimes...
ironically i think golovkin's stock has dropped in victory and jacobs' stock has gone up a lot in defeat. a few names (like canelo) might come out of the woodwork for ggg now as it may be seen that he is 35 in a minute and past his best. nobody will want to touch jacobs after that. on that showing he would wipe the floor with every other middle in the world and a good few super middles to boot..
gutted for chocolatito.the story of that fight was the clash of heads that impeded his vision for most of the bout.i think he deserves a rematch after such a close fight ....especially as his handicap was caused by a clash of heads...
jacobs head movement and lateral movement off the ropes was superb. this wasn't the same guy that got starched by pirog.....he was a level above that on saturday.
the first 3 rounds were very hard to score with both guys trying to get the timing of the other.....for me jacobs won the first, JUST won the second but golovkin took the third...
at the final bell my gut feeling was that jacobs had done just enough to squeak it even though ggg finished the 12th stronger....when i watched it back i had golovkin winning by a round because a lot of his subtle stuff i hadn't really picked up on first time around and a lot of what jacobs was throwing was getting caught on golovkin's gloves. appearances can be deceptive sometimes...
ironically i think golovkin's stock has dropped in victory and jacobs' stock has gone up a lot in defeat. a few names (like canelo) might come out of the woodwork for ggg now as it may be seen that he is 35 in a minute and past his best. nobody will want to touch jacobs after that. on that showing he would wipe the floor with every other middle in the world and a good few super middles to boot..
gutted for chocolatito.the story of that fight was the clash of heads that impeded his vision for most of the bout.i think he deserves a rematch after such a close fight ....especially as his handicap was caused by a clash of heads...
JuniorD said:
tuscaneer said:
Well.......Michael conlan looked absolutely sensational on his pro debut in madison square garden last night....amateur world champion and no doubt future world champion in the pros..looks like his brother Jamie is getting his world title shot this year too....great story unfolding here
Even though he was hugely successful as an amateur I didn't think he looked that great until the Rio Olympics where he was different class. Last night was another leap in quality ( though the opponent may have been a tomato can for all I know) There must have been a shed load of pressure with such a big debut event but he didn't show it. This might sound a little unnecessary but does anyone think Conlon's push by Top Rank and just about everyone else in the boxing world is completely disproportionate? Guy headlines MSG (albeit small setup), with massive fanfare to fight some can. I don't recall a pro debut like it. The build up on media in particular seemed massive.
RumbleOfThunder said:
This might sound a little unnecessary but does anyone think Conlon's push by Top Rank and just about everyone else in the boxing world is completely disproportionate? Guy headlines MSG (albeit small setup), with massive fanfare to fight some can. I don't recall a pro debut like it. The build up on media in particular seemed massive.
top rank have got a hard on for the irish demographic on the east coast....everyone is going giddy for this conor mcgregor effect....i'm a bit nonplussed by it all to be honest but i suppose that's why i'm in the meat trade and not boxing promotion!tuscaneer said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
This might sound a little unnecessary but does anyone think Conlon's push by Top Rank and just about everyone else in the boxing world is completely disproportionate? Guy headlines MSG (albeit small setup), with massive fanfare to fight some can. I don't recall a pro debut like it. The build up on media in particular seemed massive.
top rank have got a hard on for the irish demographic on the east coast....everyone is going giddy for this conor mcgregor effect....i'm a bit nonplussed by it all to be honest but i suppose that's why i'm in the meat trade and not boxing promotion!I'm really glad to see it. Belfast has a multitude of mega talented ex-world champs or title contenders who have zero to show for it. They never made any money worth talking about so it's good to see a bit of hype and hopefully really good money coming the way of Conlon. Just look at the hype that Khan got from the outset and what it did for his earnings.
I missed this last week, made me laugh anyway, he's a lad - he won in a handy fashion too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOdw7HfElMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOdw7HfElMU
right ladies.....i don't want any earache..you've had plenty of notice so clear your diaries...
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