The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
272BHP said:
tuscaneer said:
please excuse our southern chum and his piss takes!!.....
joshua has a lazy right cross....watch what he does..he throws it then either lets it hang low or out a bit...he also has a habit of drawing it back really high in a bit of a peacock display....time that high pull back or droopy set place of the right and you are asking to be hit with the left hook.....
now watch how wladimir punished pulev for leaving the same spaces....his left hook (for a heavyweight) is one of the best i've seen in the entire history of the division./// get sloppy, get to sleep....
the vids of wlad in prep for this fight show he is working on that distance closing leap-in left hook...
wlad has seen first hand how aj moves and where his weak spots are....
I have seen Joshua do that on a number of occasions but to be fair only when he either knows he has hit the other guy hard enough to discombobulate or he knows there is nothing likely coming back the other way.joshua has a lazy right cross....watch what he does..he throws it then either lets it hang low or out a bit...he also has a habit of drawing it back really high in a bit of a peacock display....time that high pull back or droopy set place of the right and you are asking to be hit with the left hook.....
now watch how wladimir punished pulev for leaving the same spaces....his left hook (for a heavyweight) is one of the best i've seen in the entire history of the division./// get sloppy, get to sleep....
the vids of wlad in prep for this fight show he is working on that distance closing leap-in left hook...
wlad has seen first hand how aj moves and where his weak spots are....
I certainly feel there will be moments in the fight when Klitschko will connect with that hook though and it will be interesting to see what happens. Worryingly for Joshua is that Klitschko's condition looks very, very good in those pics.
FredClogs said:
A fully motivated Vlad with something to prove and spite (in the best meaning of the word) is surely a very dangerous animal... The closer it gets the less and less chance I see AJ having.
Do you think so- just on the basis of Vlad being motivated, which I don't doubt he is?I think he's never faced someone with this combination of devastating power, athleticism speed, and accuracy of punching- combined with size! We're not talking about a short and smaller heavyweight with speed, who he can push around and lean on.
Facing that, at 41 with the best part of two years our of the ring is quite possibly the worst time to he could go into such a fight. Vlad does not have his brothers heart. Knowing he has done it all, got all the the money in the world, when AJ puts him down will he get back up and fight on?
I'm not sure he will. On the other hand, I know AJ will.
People who doubt AJ will always mention lack of experience and the fight with Dillian Whyte- re watch that is my advice. He beat Dillian like a punch bag, nearly knocked him out in the first round it could not have been more one sided. Dillian did not win a round, had a good 30-40 second spell in round 3 where he landed a good punch or two at best maybe that round was even,..when he got knocked out did not know where he was
Looking forward to the 29th, hope it's a memorable fight....
Chad_Hugo said:
FredClogs said:
A fully motivated Vlad with something to prove and spite (in the best meaning of the word) is surely a very dangerous animal... The closer it gets the less and less chance I see AJ having.
Do you think so- just on the basis of Vlad being motivated, which I don't doubt he is?I think he's never faced someone with this combination of devastating power, athleticism speed, and accuracy of punching- combined with size! We're not talking about a short and smaller heavyweight with speed, who he can push around and lean on.
Facing that, at 41 with the best part of two years our of the ring is quite possibly the worst time to he could go into such a fight. Vlad does not have his brothers heart. Knowing he has done it all, got all the the money in the world, when AJ puts him down will he get back up and fight on?
I'm not sure he will. On the other hand, I know AJ will.
People who doubt AJ will always mention lack of experience and the fight with Dillian Whyte- re watch that is my advice. He beat Dillian like a punch bag, nearly knocked him out in the first round it could not have been more one sided. Dillian did not win a round, had a good 30-40 second spell in round 3 where he landed a good punch or two at best maybe that round was even,..when he got knocked out did not know where he was
Looking forward to the 29th, hope it's a memorable fight....
it irks me when people question wlad's heart.vitali is "harder" with a better chin....but heart??...sorry pal i can't have that. go and watch the brewster and sanders losses and tell me that the man has no heart. he kept trying to get up and fight on even as his body was betraying him. f
k me, after the brewster loss he spent a week in hospital......the measure of a man is in how he deals with adversity and loss to come back stronger.....wlad has scaled the summit and come crashing down....then had the grit and determination to come back stronger...how many guys just couldn't deal with it??...hamed lost once to barrera , had one s
tty fight against calvo then retired because he didn't have the stomach for it.listen, i'm not dogging joshua here..i've met and really like the guy, i'm rooting for him....but how do you "know" he'll get back up bravely if flattened??..we haven''t yet seen it so don't know how he will react to adversity......on the other hand we KNOW that wlad was all out at sea in the 5th against sam peter yet rode out the storm and beat that man mercilessly for the rest of the fight...
the posters in this thread know what an unashamed fan i am of wlad and everything he has achieved,....but i try to deal in facts and the facts speak for themselves regarding this incredible champion.
i'm happy to go on record as saying i am rooting for wlad in this particular fight , not because i don't like joshua but because i think wlad deserves one more big win and to go out a 3 time champion with a joint division record with joe louis as the longest reigning champ.
aj will come again stronger in much the same way wlad did after the sanders loss. a loss for aj now might end up being the best thing that ever happened to him.
I think the main thing that makes this fight so interesting is the unknown element, is joshua the beast we think he is?Joshuas toughest test in my opinion was whyte and that was an emotional fight for him that he came through then there has been journey men of varying levels. Then there has been wlad who had the strangest performance against fury, (well done tyson syching him out and doing what he needed to do) not fought for a long time and it felt like to me a lot of opponents wanted to get to wlad like they wanted to get to floyd for the pay day and take the loss. Also wlad didnt knock out jennings who ortiz did stop. Being patriotic I want joshua to win and it will be nice to see him being a mega star rather than just a huge star but the romantic side of me would like to see wlad do it and prove he still has it even at 41.
tuscaneer said:
Chad_Hugo said:
FredClogs said:
A fully motivated Vlad with something to prove and spite (in the best meaning of the word) is surely a very dangerous animal... The closer it gets the less and less chance I see AJ having.
Do you think so- just on the basis of Vlad being motivated, which I don't doubt he is?I think he's never faced someone with this combination of devastating power, athleticism speed, and accuracy of punching- combined with size! We're not talking about a short and smaller heavyweight with speed, who he can push around and lean on.
Facing that, at 41 with the best part of two years our of the ring is quite possibly the worst time to he could go into such a fight. Vlad does not have his brothers heart. Knowing he has done it all, got all the the money in the world, when AJ puts him down will he get back up and fight on?
I'm not sure he will. On the other hand, I know AJ will.
People who doubt AJ will always mention lack of experience and the fight with Dillian Whyte- re watch that is my advice. He beat Dillian like a punch bag, nearly knocked him out in the first round it could not have been more one sided. Dillian did not win a round, had a good 30-40 second spell in round 3 where he landed a good punch or two at best maybe that round was even,..when he got knocked out did not know where he was
Looking forward to the 29th, hope it's a memorable fight....
it irks me when people question wlad's heart.vitali is "harder" with a better chin....but heart??...sorry pal i can't have that. go and watch the brewster and sanders losses and tell me that the man has no heart. he kept trying to get up and fight on even as his body was betraying him. f
k me, after the brewster loss he spent a week in hospital......the measure of a man is in how he deals with adversity and loss to come back stronger.....wlad has scaled the summit and come crashing down....then had the grit and determination to come back stronger...how many guys just couldn't deal with it??...hamed lost once to barrera , had one s
tty fight against calvo then retired because he didn't have the stomach for it.listen, i'm not dogging joshua here..i've met and really like the guy, i'm rooting for him....but how do you "know" he'll get back up bravely if flattened??..we haven''t yet seen it so don't know how he will react to adversity......on the other hand we KNOW that wlad was all out at sea in the 5th against sam peter yet rode out the storm and beat that man mercilessly for the rest of the fight...
the posters in this thread know what an unashamed fan i am of wlad and everything he has achieved,....but i try to deal in facts and the facts speak for themselves regarding this incredible champion.
i'm happy to go on record as saying i am rooting for wlad in this particular fight , not because i don't like joshua but because i think wlad deserves one more big win and to go out a 3 time champion with a joint division record with joe louis as the longest reigning champ.
aj will come again stronger in much the same way wlad did after the sanders loss. a loss for aj now might end up being the best thing that ever happened to him.
I agree with you 100% on the last part, oddly I think it may be better for him to lose- if he wins and unifies the division at 27, beating a former great who held the belts for 10 years in the process where does he go after that? He's kind of done it all, far too soon, in a way his big moment has come earlier than he would have liked and after it parker or wilder may be a bit of an anti-climax. I think a loss does him not much harm and yes he would come back from it and go on to win most of the belts anyway, in time.
Povetkin- has footwork over him, but we all know AJ is quite flat footed/doesn't move his head etc. Then again, he hasn't really had to move much he has been on the front foot for every second of each of his fights apart from that short spell in round 3 against Dillian. Only one outcome if the two of them fight each other..
I was questioning Wlad's heart at 41, in this particular fight- not the distant past. I doubt he's going to take many risks, I doubt he will be able to take much punishment from AJ and I do doubt his desire to fight on when the going get's really tough. Of course I could be wrong.
Can't wait till the 29th to find out, haven't looked forward to a fight this much for a while...
It all depends on how someone wins or how someone loses, if Joshua does win and look great wilder will probably be kept away then the next big fight would be fury losing a bit of timber and that would be a massive fight but seeing him in vegas (youtube) yesterday he looked huge!!! If whyte managed to get a belt that rematch would be semi interesting especially the build up. Then ortiz but probably start with a safe voluntary against a chisora as joshua is still learning even if he is better than a lot of the rest. If he wins and looks average then the wilder fight could happen.
If he loses lots more options!! All the contenders would be licking there lips at a big pay day.
If he loses lots more options!! All the contenders would be licking there lips at a big pay day.
Chad_Hugo said:
My post should have been prefaced with the fact that I am the furthest thing from a Wlad fan you will find, I admit I'm biased
I agree with you 100% on the last part, oddly I think it may be better for him to lose- if he wins and unifies the division at 27, beating a former great who held the belts for 10 years in the process where does he go after that? He's kind of done it all, far too soon, in a way his big moment has come earlier than he would have liked and after it parker or wilder may be a bit of an anti-climax. I think a loss does him not much harm and yes he would come back from it and go on to win most of the belts anyway, in time.
Povetkin- has footwork over him, but we all know AJ is quite flat footed/doesn't move his head etc. Then again, he hasn't really had to move much he has been on the front foot for every second of each of his fights apart from that short spell in round 3 against Dillian. Only one outcome if the two of them fight each other..
I was questioning Wlad's heart at 41, in this particular fight- not the distant past. I doubt he's going to take many risks, I doubt he will be able to take much punishment from AJ and I do doubt his desire to fight on when the going get's really tough. Of course I could be wrong.
Can't wait till the 29th to find out, haven't looked forward to a fight this much for a while...
Got to agree with that...I'm more up for this one than I was for the pulev fight!I agree with you 100% on the last part, oddly I think it may be better for him to lose- if he wins and unifies the division at 27, beating a former great who held the belts for 10 years in the process where does he go after that? He's kind of done it all, far too soon, in a way his big moment has come earlier than he would have liked and after it parker or wilder may be a bit of an anti-climax. I think a loss does him not much harm and yes he would come back from it and go on to win most of the belts anyway, in time.
Povetkin- has footwork over him, but we all know AJ is quite flat footed/doesn't move his head etc. Then again, he hasn't really had to move much he has been on the front foot for every second of each of his fights apart from that short spell in round 3 against Dillian. Only one outcome if the two of them fight each other..
I was questioning Wlad's heart at 41, in this particular fight- not the distant past. I doubt he's going to take many risks, I doubt he will be able to take much punishment from AJ and I do doubt his desire to fight on when the going get's really tough. Of course I could be wrong.
Can't wait till the 29th to find out, haven't looked forward to a fight this much for a while...
Just watched the Daniel Dubois weigh in LOL.
Thought it was April the 1st. I know it's his first pro fight and he's only 19 I think but still, surely that can't be his opponent?
You have to draw the line somewhere, whoever that guy is he is going in there hoping the ref will save him quickly enough, he's going to get destroyed.
Dubois looks huge already, and still not even 20, still have 3-4 years to grow body wise will be a monster in his mid 20's.
Thought it was April the 1st. I know it's his first pro fight and he's only 19 I think but still, surely that can't be his opponent?
You have to draw the line somewhere, whoever that guy is he is going in there hoping the ref will save him quickly enough, he's going to get destroyed.
Dubois looks huge already, and still not even 20, still have 3-4 years to grow body wise will be a monster in his mid 20's.
Chad_Hugo said:
Just watched the Daniel Dubois weigh in LOL.
Thought it was April the 1st. I know it's his first pro fight and he's only 19 I think but still, surely that can't be his opponent?
You have to draw the line somewhere, whoever that guy is he is going in there hoping the ref will save him quickly enough, he's going to get destroyed.
Dubois looks huge already, and still not even 20, still have 3-4 years to grow body wise will be a monster in his mid 20's.
"I'm from Cornwall what's your superpower"......I think his super power is being a fat Thought it was April the 1st. I know it's his first pro fight and he's only 19 I think but still, surely that can't be his opponent?
You have to draw the line somewhere, whoever that guy is he is going in there hoping the ref will save him quickly enough, he's going to get destroyed.
Dubois looks huge already, and still not even 20, still have 3-4 years to grow body wise will be a monster in his mid 20's.
Putting it out there- AJ to KO Wlad within 8 rounds (to be specific I would bet on round 5).
This is a VERY tough match for AJ though, however I said he was ready for Wlad before Fury beat him. I rate AJ very highly and think that these perceived unknowns about him are purely because he hasn't needed to demonstrate these skills (head movement, as an example).
If I'm wrong about the KO, then Wlad wins on points.
This is a VERY tough match for AJ though, however I said he was ready for Wlad before Fury beat him. I rate AJ very highly and think that these perceived unknowns about him are purely because he hasn't needed to demonstrate these skills (head movement, as an example).
If I'm wrong about the KO, then Wlad wins on points.
^^ Said much the same before, I'm convinced AJ will win and retire Wlad.
Does anyone think we will see Tyson Fury box again at this level? He looks in a terrible state, physically, but also mentally seems all over the place.
Not a big fan of his but still hope he recovers some potentially interesting fights if he does.
Does anyone think we will see Tyson Fury box again at this level? He looks in a terrible state, physically, but also mentally seems all over the place.
Not a big fan of his but still hope he recovers some potentially interesting fights if he does.
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