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yeah, froch has had a hard career and while there are no signs of damage now one more hard fight might just be enough to do proper damage. the fact he's got such a great chin would actually be more dangerous.can you imagine the amount of punishment he would be capable of absorbing??!!
he got out with all his marbles and is worth a fortune. it would be better he stayed that way i reckon
he got out with all his marbles and is worth a fortune. it would be better he stayed that way i reckon
To be honest, that's why my preferred 'final opponent' for Froch was Bernard Hopkins. I don't think it would necessarily have been a pretty fight stylistically or a blockbuster financially (though I think both would have done well out of it); but from the perspective of Froch's CV, it would have been something slightly different from what he'd already accomplished (i.e. taking on an opponent with that level of ring-craft, savvy and experience - making it probably the most cerebral challenge he's faced), would arguably have been the biggest name on his record, and despite Hopkins' age was still a highly credible opponent, being (as he was) a unified world champion at that time....and all with a minimal likelihood of Froch actually taking a battering.
Looks like the time for that has passed though...
Looks like the time for that has passed though...
Edited by Yiliterate on Wednesday 11th November 11:50
shaunsmith said:
ery good post, I was thinking the same.
In addition, Golovkin has never faced anyone near as hard as Froch. I hope it is Golovkin and not DeGale. Would be some scrap....
If Golovkin moved to super middleweight a more obvious fight would be against Ward. Two fighters (one an American) both very high in the P4P rankings taking each other on would sell more than a fight against Froch.In addition, Golovkin has never faced anyone near as hard as Froch. I hope it is Golovkin and not DeGale. Would be some scrap....
Maybe Froch would fight Ward again? See if he could avenge his loss..
Fittster said:
shaunsmith said:
ery good post, I was thinking the same.
In addition, Golovkin has never faced anyone near as hard as Froch. I hope it is Golovkin and not DeGale. Would be some scrap....
If Golovkin moved to super middleweight a more obvious fight would be against Ward. Two fighters (one an American) both very high in the P4P rankings taking each other on would sell more than a fight against Froch.In addition, Golovkin has never faced anyone near as hard as Froch. I hope it is Golovkin and not DeGale. Would be some scrap....
Maybe Froch would fight Ward again? See if he could avenge his loss..
Re: Froch fighting Ward again, around the time he was trying to line up Chavez jr, with refreshing honesty he came out and said he couldn't see much point in a re-match with Ward because he doubted the outcome would be meaningfully different. Maybe time has changed that view but I would be surprised...
I get the feeling Golovkin vs Ward is hardly a PPV goldmine, sure boxing enthusiasts would love it but you're not going to get the hype from the mainstream or Johnny Depp and Lettermen turning up at ringside, it's a funny old game, I doubt in the US either of those two is going to get 10 PPV rankings, the likes of Mayweather and Broner etc... put a lot of effort into selling their PPVs (mostly by behaving like knobs)
Anything with Froch will generate very predictable PPV income from UK fans alone, much higher than Golovkin or Ward could achieve alone or together, I expect.
Anything with Froch will generate very predictable PPV income from UK fans alone, much higher than Golovkin or Ward could achieve alone or together, I expect.
Ward has been inactive approx 3 yrs, he's a 'Big'SM IMO Going the LH is the easiest route, also Kovalev & Stevenson are not as technically astute as GGG. Obviously more power from Kovalev but Ward is canny, I would not give Stevenson much chance of beating Ward, he is very crude, Kovalev a little better but neither of these guys are as tricky for Ward as GGG would be. If it does happen with Kovalev I hope Kovalev wins, but Mr Hopkins showed us all Kov's short comings & ward is just as good as BH if not better at spoiling.
Birkin1932 said:
think i'll have that for the library!..cheers fella...there's not a lot of boxing books i haven't got....but that's one of them!Gerradi said:
Ward has been inactive approx 3 yrs, he's a 'Big'SM IMO Going the LH is the easiest route, also Kovalev & Stevenson are not as technically astute as GGG. Obviously more power from Kovalev but Ward is canny, I would not give Stevenson much chance of beating Ward, he is very crude, Kovalev a little better but neither of these guys are as tricky for Ward as GGG would be. If it does happen with Kovalev I hope Kovalev wins, but Mr Hopkins showed us all Kov's short comings & ward is just as good as BH if not better at spoiling.
i think you might be selling kovalev a bit short there fella....his efficiency of movement makes it look deceptively one dimentional but ( as with most fighters who cut rather than dance) if you watch his feet ....very difficult when watching a knockout artist!!...you see a whole load of subtle pressurising movements that really strain the opponent..i saw the hopkins fight differently to you mate, he just couldn't get in it. for me he looked very old in that fight for the first time( not surprising as he is f
king ancient!!)....i pretty much saw kovalev own him from the first bell to the last. it's a testament to hopkins, however, that at 50 he still was able to go the distance with such a thunderous puncherYiliterate said:
Other than maybe Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux, I think Ward vs Golovkin would be the most intriguing fight that could be made at the moment. Unfortunately, there's a decent chance we won't see Ward at Super-Middleweight again; Kovalev up at Light-Heavy seems to be where his radar is set at the moment (another potentially massive fight, quite possibly with a re-match clause) and if that works out there's potential fights with Adonis Stevenson and, should he continue on his current trajectory, maybe Artur Beterbiev. That would keep Ward busy over the next couple of years...!
Ward has now vacated the WBA Super-Middleweight title:http://www.boxing.com/ward_to_campaign_at_light_he...
Edited by Yiliterate on Friday 13th November 07:15
Yiliterate said:
Yiliterate said:
Other than maybe Lomachenko vs Rigondeaux, I think Ward vs Golovkin would be the most intriguing fight that could be made at the moment. Unfortunately, there's a decent chance we won't see Ward at Super-Middleweight again; Kovalev up at Light-Heavy seems to be where his radar is set at the moment (another potentially massive fight, quite possibly with a re-match clause) and if that works out there's potential fights with Adonis Stevenson and, should he continue on his current trajectory, maybe Artur Beterbiev. That would keep Ward busy over the next couple of years...!
Ward has now vacated the WBA Super-Middleweight title:http://www.boxing.com/ward_to_campaign_at_light_he...
Edited by Yiliterate on Friday 13th November 07:15
i really feel that they are going to build up degale/froch and have a massive fight as the big show opener for next season...sometime around march i reckon
Amirhussain said:
Things getting heated up between Broner and his 'big brother' Mayweather.
Seems quite deliberate, at least from Mayweather's side. Could be just to promote the mooted fight with 'TMT' member Ashley Theophane...or maybe that's the '50' fight they're now thinking about. In fairness, I think I'd be more interested in seeing that than a rematch with Pacman, though only if Broner got his head down and concentrated on making the most of the immense talent he has...Yiliterate said:
Seems quite deliberate, at least from Mayweather's side. Could be just to promote the mooted fight with 'TMT' member Ashley Theophane...or maybe that's the '50' fight they're now thinking about. In fairness, I think I'd be more interested in seeing that than a rematch with Pacman, though only if Broner got his head down and concentrated on making the most of the immense talent he has...
If Theophane gets that fight then he is one of the luckiest boxers ever he is ordinary at best and only has a profile as he irons Mayweathers socks. Birkin1932 said:
I saw that at a memorabilia fair in Birmingham about 10 years ago I think.....fking huge thing it was. I remember thinking at the time that 995 quid for a book was nuts.....looking at the price of it in that link I probably should have bust out the credit card!!!!David Haye talking about a come back.
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/11/david-haye-ask...
Now he's said that before and done nothing. Seems a bit pointless to me, he's 35 and hasn't fought in 3 years. I can't see why he'd be anymore likely to beat a heavyweight champion now than he was there. The size of Klitschko and Wilder just give them to much of an advantage.
So domestic pay day against Fury or Joshua then retire again?
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/11/david-haye-ask...
Now he's said that before and done nothing. Seems a bit pointless to me, he's 35 and hasn't fought in 3 years. I can't see why he'd be anymore likely to beat a heavyweight champion now than he was there. The size of Klitschko and Wilder just give them to much of an advantage.
So domestic pay day against Fury or Joshua then retire again?
Fittster said:
David Haye talking about a come back.
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/11/david-haye-ask...
Now he's said that before and done nothing. Seems a bit pointless to me, he's 35 and hasn't fought in 3 years. I can't see why he'd be anymore likely to beat a heavyweight champion now than he was there. The size of Klitschko and Wilder just give them to much of an advantage.
So domestic pay day against Fury or Joshua then retire again?
i'd back him against wilder right now, 3 years out or not!....have you seen the sparring footage!!...wilder starched by a jab..http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/11/david-haye-ask...
Now he's said that before and done nothing. Seems a bit pointless to me, he's 35 and hasn't fought in 3 years. I can't see why he'd be anymore likely to beat a heavyweight champion now than he was there. The size of Klitschko and Wilder just give them to much of an advantage.
So domestic pay day against Fury or Joshua then retire again?
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