The **BOXING** thread Vol 2

[m4tti]

tuscaneer said:

he always looked awkward, like he was made out of lego bricks.....but fk me that guy was effective! when you look through his resume his only blemishes were byrd and lennox.....both fights he was winning before an injury stopped the fight

when you look at what he did as an amateur and as a kickboxer,, the man was just born to fight.

even at 44 if he was to come out of reirement yet again and enforce his "champion emeritus" status i would favour him against wilder right now. and most of the rest of them to be honest!

He does indeed look very awkward, and his movement isn't hugely fluid, but like you say it is hugely effective. In the Briggs fight he launches overhand rights, opening himself up, but largely gets away with it.

[tuscaneer]

m4tti said:

He does indeed look very awkward, and his movement isn't hugely fluid, but like you say it is hugely effective. In the Briggs fight he launches overhand rights, opening himself up, but largely gets away with it.

largely gets away with it due to having the best whiskers i've ever seen on a heavyweight!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMjyJQClP8o

[Hilts]

Just put a tenner on a WK 3rd round stoppage @ 18/1.

Let's hope this goes better than my last bet on the Arsenal. (WHU)

[m4tti]

A lot of the noise on forums like Bleacher are suggesting an early stoppage to WK...

There's plenty of comments like this, presumably coming from the states judging by the wording.

"I suggest that whoever wants to see this fight go see it in a bar. Don't pay for it because Wlad is gunna have Fury out within 4 rounds."

So round three looks like it could be a good bet.

[Yiliterate]

Personally I'd be surprised if it ended inside three. Wlad typically likes to take some time to size his opponents up, and with Fury being as unorthodox as he his, he may actually be even more circumspect than usual. Plus, he'll probably fancy that Fury will make a mistake sooner or later and Wlad is certainly a very patient fighter. I'm pretty sure he'll also have a lot of faith in his physical conditioning (relative to Fury's) so will be more than happy to play the long game. I'll be honest; I'd say Wlad is one of the most calculating fighters I've ever seen and loves playing the percentages; of course, if a gilt-edged opportunity arose to end the show early I'm sure he'd look to take it, but I can't see him being overly anxious to force the matter...

Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 23 November 18:55

[Yiliterate]

Actually, just had a look at Wlad's record - he's fought in 27(!) world title fights and of the 25 he's won, only two have been within the first three rounds (Derek Jefferson and Ray Austin). Even if you extend that to four rounds, only one more name (Jean-Marc Mormeck) comes into the equation...

[epom]

m4tti said:

And fury says he wants vitali after he's dispatched wladimir... Hmm he probably needs to watch this

http://youtu.be/chm8L-ms6Qk

Was that a real fight? Terrible stuff looked like slow motion.

[m4tti]

epom said:

Was that a real fight? Terrible stuff looked like slow motion.

Briggs claimed he had a torn bicep afterwards....

[m4tti]

Hold up... The "toe man's" back

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/34903646

Edited by m4tti on Monday 23 November 20:27

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

Personally I'd be surprised if it ended inside three. Wlad typically likes to take some time to size his opponents up, and with Fury being as unorthodox as he his, he may actually be even more circumspect than usual. Plus, he'll probably fancy that Fury will make a mistake sooner or later and Wlad is certainly a very patient fighter. I'm pretty sure he'll also have a lot of faith in his physical conditioning (relative to Fury's) so will be more than happy to play the long game. I'll be honest; I'd say Wlad is one of the most calculating fighters I've ever seen and loves playing the percentages; of course, if a gilt-edged opportunity arose to end the show early I'm sure he'd look to take it, but I can't see him being overly anxious to force the matter...

Edited by Yiliterate on Monday 23 November 18:55

yeah, got to agree fella......you've got to go back to the mid/late 90s to find a wladimir who was blasting guys out in 1 or 2 rounds. a much more aggressive animal than the one we see today.
fury's biggest problem is that he throws the jab from so low without having the shoulder hunch defense. he's going to be a sucker for the straight right.
watching some of the build up stuff last night it was interesting to hear wlad say to johnny nelson that fury can go southpaw all he wants but the minute he gets stung he will revert to orthodox. and watching a bit of fury footage you can see it in a couple of fights after he's been tagged.

the way i see it is wlad breaks him down to stop him in the second half

[tuscaneer]

m4tti said:

Hold up... The "toe man's" back

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/34903646

Edited by m4tti on Monday 23 November 20:27

it's exciting until you look at proposed names like martin rogan, malik scott and little tony bellew!!

[tuscaneer]

epom said:

m4tti said:

And fury says he wants vitali after he's dispatched wladimir... Hmm he probably needs to watch this

http://youtu.be/chm8L-ms6Qk

Was that a real fight? Terrible stuff looked like slow motion.

to be fair to vitali he was 40 years old there and a veteran of over 500 boxing/kickboxing fights amateur and pro

go back to the late 90s and he looked like this....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0h5AgJMXf8

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

it's exciting until you look at proposed names like martin rogan, malik scott and little tony bellew!!

You know something...I'm slowly coming round to the idea that Tony Bellew might not actually be all that bothered about becoming a world champion. As I see it, Bellew:

1) jumped pretty much straight from domestic level fights to a world title shot against Cleverly when he could have taken a few more 'fringe' fights
2) went after Stevenson when there were arguably easier routes to a title
3) steps up to Cruiserweight and immediately targets Huck, probably the best Cruiserweight in the world at the time) rather than going afte one of the weaker champions
4) switches his focus to Hernandez when Huck is beaten - again, probably the best Cruiserweight around instead of going down the path of least resistance
5) gets his career best win against Cleverly and instead of building on that, takes eight months out to film 'Creed'
6) with Hernandez out injured, turns down what proves to be an eminently winnable fight against Ramirez for the IBF title, and
7) now his Cruiserweight rankings are putting him into genuine title contention, decides to call out a hard-hitting heavyweight instead!

Edited by Yiliterate on Tuesday 24th November 07:27

[m4tti]

It'll be interesting to see what impact Shane Mcguigans training techniques will have on Hayes effectiveness. Shane mcguigan was a student of Charles poliquin probably the worlds best strength and conditioning coach. Poliquin was acknowledged to have transformed the competitiveness of strength athletes and bodybuilders etc.

I've read that mcguigan believes power in the weight room translates to power and endurance in the ring. How this will manifest in Hayes effectiveness in the ring is yet to be seen. I dont think he was ever really lacking punching power.

[hornetrider]

Glove trouble.

Telegraph said:

Tyson Fury has revealed that a dispute over the gloves he is being forced to wear under the contractual agreement with Wladimir Klitschko’s management could stop the fight going ahead on Saturday.

Fury had almost broken his thumbs, he claimed on Monday, when trialling the gloves in training camp, and if the tailor-made Paffen gloves have not been altered and delivered to him on Friday night after the weigh-in here in Düsseldorf, the fight will be not be sanctioned.

In championship bouts fighters do not try the gloves they are to use on fight nights until the rules meeting between both sides after they have weighed in.

Fury has received the full support of Robert Smith, secretary of the Boxing Board of Control, after appealing to the British licensing authorities that trial pair of gloves sent to him by Klitschko’s team had been “nearly breaking” his thumbs on landing punches.

“They are Paffen Sport gloves, a German brand,” Fury said on Monday. His preference was for Reyes gloves, often used by heavier punchers, with less padding in the glove around the knuckles.

“They demanded the gloves. Every rule for this fight was made by them. I don’t think we made one. Not about venue, location, ring size, gloves, anything. These tester gloves they made were OK but the issue is whether they can make them in time for on the night. They are still not made," added Fury.

“They sent me some gloves over which Wladimir had asked for and they had big giant thumbs which were about two or three inches bigger than normal – so that the thumb is sticking out. Every time I was punching with them my thumb was nearly breaking. No matter how we tried breaking them in, it wasn’t working.

“We phoned the guys there and they said: ‘These are the gloves Klitschko has asked for and he won’t be happy if we give him any other gloves.’ I said: ‘How can I box in gloves I’m not comfortable wearing? They sent me another style [of Paffen] with normal thumbs which seemed to be OK. But then they said: ‘Oh it’s going to be a struggle to make these gloves in time.’”

At that point, Smith stepped in and demanded they be made on time. Fury insisted that he has complied with Klitschko’s every demand in the contract for this heavyweight world title fight.

“They’ve already picked a glove that’s suited to defensive fighters. If I had my choice we would be wearing Reyes gloves which are puncher’s gloves, because I want to do damage when I hit him. He’s picked the most defensive gloves he can and they are still giving me the wrong ones.”

Fury was asked if he believed that it was part of Klitschko’s mind games, for which the world champion is notorious on home soil. “It doesn’t matter if it’s mind games or genuine. If there are no gloves, I’m not fighting, am I? If they don’t get me the right gloves, I will not fight. Simple. You don’t get your gloves in advance so I won’t know until the rules meeting after the weigh-in.

“If I get the gloves with the big thumbs? It’s a no-go area. Not ­fighting in them. Because even if I throw a jab, I’m going to dislocate my thumb. I If I don’t get the gloves I’ve been promised – and British Boxing Board secretary Robert Smith has said the gloves need to be made – it’s like coming into a ring with no shoes on. It’s not going to be sanctioned.”

What the rules say ...

The boxers may, by agreement, determine which brand of gloves are to be used. The boxers may agree that different brands of gloves may be used by each boxer. In the absence of agreement, the promoter shall be responsible to provide no less than four identical pairs of new gloves to be selected by the boxers for use in the championship contest and for back-up. The World Boxing Federation Supervisor shall be the final authority in any disputes and his ruled shall be binding.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/12012713/Wladimir-Klitschko-vs-Tyson-Fury-World-heavyweight-title-fight-threatened-by-gloves-dispute.html

[m4tti]

Juice trouble.... His eye balls are juice detectors. He's pulling out every last trick

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/34906044

BBC said:

British heavyweight Tyson Fury says boxing has a "big problem" with doping.

Fury, 27, will fight for the world title against Wladimir Klitschko in Germany on Saturday.

Speaking to BBC Radio 5 live, Fury said: "I can look at a man and tell you if he's full of drugs by one glance at his body with his top off.

"Boxing has got a big problem with drugs. But it doesn't bother me because at the end of the day it's about determination over drugs."

The British Boxing Board of Control (BBBoC) said it was firmly against doping in the sport and general secretary Robert Smith told BBC Radio 5 live he did not agree there was a "major problem".

Listen to the full interview with Tyson Fury at 07:20 GMT on Tuesday on BBC Radio 5 live

Should doping be legalised?

Fury believes the only way to make things "fully fair" is to legalise doping in sport, but concedes taking such drugs can have a long-term impact on a person's health.

"I think being in a democratic world means we have to be open to different things," said Fury. "Why don't they make drugs totally legal in sports and then it would be fully fair?

A doping test, generic picture
"If the governing bodies want to do that, it will be a bit fairer. You can't tell me that 99% of these sportspeople ain't taking drugs if they've got bodies like Greek gods.

"If a man wants to pump himself full of drugs it's only shortening his life isn't it? When you're pumping yourself full of drugs it's putting pressure on your heart, your liver, your lungs, your kidneys.

"You're on a one-way ticket to a heart attack so that's why you see a lot of these bodybuilders and weightlifters having heart attacks young because they're pumped up so much and the heart can't take the pressure."

In a statement, the BBBoC said it was "committed in its fight against drug use in professional boxing".

It added: "The BBBoC has an extensive programme of out-of-competition testing and in-competition testing and will maintain its endeavours to combat drug use in association with United Kingdom Anti-Doping, who carry out all our testing procedures and disciplinary hearings in compliance with the Wada code."

Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 24th November 08:13

Edited by m4tti on Tuesday 24th November 08:17

[tuscaneer]

i think he's just gonna lose it at some point this week you know....he's put so much pressure on himself with all the (enjoyable!) horsest he looks to be winding himself up into a frenzy and there's still a week to go.
when the cameras are off and he's in his hotel room at night....that's got to be the worst. i've noticed in 2 separate interviews now he's referred to wlad as "supposed to be the best heavyweight of all time" in a timid backhanded insult.......but it must be playing on his mind the enormity of the task at hand

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

You know something...I'm slowly coming round to the idea that Tony Bellew might not actually be all that bothered about becoming a world champion. As I see it, Bellew:

1) jumped pretty much straight from domestic level fights to a world title shot against Cleverly when he could have taken a few more 'fringe' fights
2) went after Stevenson when there were arguably easier routes to a title
3) steps up to Cruiserweight and immediately targets Huck, probably the best Cruiserweight in the world at the time) rather than going afte one of the weaker champions
4) switches his focus to Hernandez when Huck is beaten - again, probably the best Cruiserweight around instead of going down the path of least resistance
5) gets his career best win against Cleverly and instead of building on that, takes eight months out to film 'Creed'
6) with Hernandez out injured, turns down what proves to be an eminently winnable fight against Ramirez for the IBF title, and
7) now his Cruiserweight rankings are putting him into genuine title contention, decides to call out a hard-hitting heavyweight instead!

Edited by Yiliterate on Tuesday 24th November 07:27

reading that back it does seem to be a most erratic career .......that , should he get the fight, would end rather badly against haye!

[andburg]

tuscaneer said:

Yiliterate said:

You know something...I'm slowly coming round to the idea that Tony Bellew might not actually be all that bothered about becoming a world champion. As I see it, Bellew:

1) jumped pretty much straight from domestic level fights to a world title shot against Cleverly when he could have taken a few more 'fringe' fights
2) went after Stevenson when there were arguably easier routes to a title
3) steps up to Cruiserweight and immediately targets Huck, probably the best Cruiserweight in the world at the time) rather than going afte one of the weaker champions
4) switches his focus to Hernandez when Huck is beaten - again, probably the best Cruiserweight around instead of going down the path of least resistance
5) gets his career best win against Cleverly and instead of building on that, takes eight months out to film 'Creed'
6) with Hernandez out injured, turns down what proves to be an eminently winnable fight against Ramirez for the IBF title, and
7) now his Cruiserweight rankings are putting him into genuine title contention, decides to call out a hard-hitting heavyweight instead!

Edited by Yiliterate on Tuesday 24th November 07:27

reading that back it does seem to be a most erratic career .......that , should he get the fight, would end rather badly against haye!

Cannot see any situation where Bellew would beat Haye even with ring rust Haye has the power to stop him in 1 shot, Bellew does not have that and wouldn't get any respect. Its all well and good going toe to toe with Cleverly but Haye would be another thing, I'd dispute him being called a heavyweight though. At most he weighed 222lb and most recently 210lb which is not really any more than a rehydrated cruiserweight and could probably make 200lb quite easily

[m4tti]

tuscaneer said:

i think he's just gonna lose it at some point this week you know....he's put so much pressure on himself with all the (enjoyable!) horsest he looks to be winding himself up into a frenzy and there's still a week to go.
when the cameras are off and he's in his hotel room at night....that's got to be the worst. i've noticed in 2 separate interviews now he's referred to wlad as "supposed to be the best heavyweight of all time" in a timid backhanded insult.......but it must be playing on his mind the enormity of the task at hand

Making a veiled accusation that wladimir's a juicer is a strange one. It's like he's making excuses even before he's lost.