The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
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Well, that was unexpected!
That turned out completely differently to how I expected. I don't think it was the best fight in the world (far from it) but Fury executed the perfect gameplan for what he had in front of him which was a champ whose best days are behind him. I don't mean that in a derogatory way either as a past prime W. Klitschko has done enough to dominate some great opponents in the last 2/3 years.
The things that impressed me were Fury's stamina, footwork, head movement and foot speed. He didn't just move a bit, he was up on his toes the whole night and managed to keep turning Klitschko and peppering him (when they landed) with soft shots. That head movement made Klitschko second guess himself and paw with the jab rather than throw that ramrod jab with confidence. Klitschko just couldn't seem to find the right range and when he saw openings he didn't pull the trigger. In my experience, that's the sign of a shot fighter. You can see what you need to do but just can't execute. The other thing I found strange is that when they they separated from the clinch Klitschko did absolutely no work to the body. It was right there for him and would have slowed Fury down later in the fight perhaps allowing Wlad to land the big right.
I think the fight would have been different the late Emmanuel Stewart in his corner but ultimately you can't knock Fury for fighting a champion whose best days are behind him. Klitschko would have more than held his own in their last night with a less rangey and shorter fighter. Whatever way you look at it, Fury beat the champ and you can't take that away from him.
I think he'll struggle in a rematch. He needs to throw caution to wind and take some leather to land some leather against Fury. I don't think Fury possesses the power to KO Klitschko cold but there's every chance he could stop him within the distance next time around. Wlad needs to come out fast and find a home for that lead left hook and massive right hand but that means eating punches which he hasn't been keen to do for over 11 years.
That turned out completely differently to how I expected. I don't think it was the best fight in the world (far from it) but Fury executed the perfect gameplan for what he had in front of him which was a champ whose best days are behind him. I don't mean that in a derogatory way either as a past prime W. Klitschko has done enough to dominate some great opponents in the last 2/3 years.
The things that impressed me were Fury's stamina, footwork, head movement and foot speed. He didn't just move a bit, he was up on his toes the whole night and managed to keep turning Klitschko and peppering him (when they landed) with soft shots. That head movement made Klitschko second guess himself and paw with the jab rather than throw that ramrod jab with confidence. Klitschko just couldn't seem to find the right range and when he saw openings he didn't pull the trigger. In my experience, that's the sign of a shot fighter. You can see what you need to do but just can't execute. The other thing I found strange is that when they they separated from the clinch Klitschko did absolutely no work to the body. It was right there for him and would have slowed Fury down later in the fight perhaps allowing Wlad to land the big right.
I think the fight would have been different the late Emmanuel Stewart in his corner but ultimately you can't knock Fury for fighting a champion whose best days are behind him. Klitschko would have more than held his own in their last night with a less rangey and shorter fighter. Whatever way you look at it, Fury beat the champ and you can't take that away from him.
I think he'll struggle in a rematch. He needs to throw caution to wind and take some leather to land some leather against Fury. I don't think Fury possesses the power to KO Klitschko cold but there's every chance he could stop him within the distance next time around. Wlad needs to come out fast and find a home for that lead left hook and massive right hand but that means eating punches which he hasn't been keen to do for over 11 years.
Edited by Robatr0n on Sunday 29th November 12:40
Great fight in that it was entertaining. And for me lived up to the build up.
Easy to state why Fury won after the event. But prior the majority didn't give him the respect he obviously deserved. Myself included.
His build up was obviously spot on, and the hard work was evident in how lean he was for him. Obviously he doesn't seem the sort who will ever turn up cut like Joshua or some other fighters.
I always though Klitschko, had changed his fighting style from the early losses in his career. Such that he avoided risking taking a big hit. And this has worked for him. His natural build was such that he nearly always had the longer reach etc, so like Mayweather reduced his chances of being caught.
He also never seemed to be one to take a chance and commit looking for a KO, preferring to wait until a fighter was hurt before jumping in.
Fury as such exploited this keeping him at arms length, and as comical as his movement appeared compared to the much lighter fighters. It worked
Klitschko himself admitted afterwards he couldn't find his range using the Jab.
The only disappointment was in Klitschko, in that once he knew the fight was going away from him. He didnt seem to have a B plan.
And as such looked like he would rather lose on points, than think screw this lets go toe to toe and see if i can get a KO.
I believe he has in inherent fear of being hurt by a big shot, and as such is unwilling to take one.
Great when you are usually ahead on points, but when behind in a fight its a huge obstacle to overcome.
irony being its a situation i would love to have seen Mayweather take, knowing he had to take risks to claw back a points deficit.
It was a good night for Boxing and livened the Heavyweight ranks up. I feel furys style is such that hes beatable. So their will be plenty of fights where people believe his opponents have a chance of a win.
Regardless of how long his reign is, he won easily last night and should enjoy his moment
Edit as someone kindly pointed out i was talking bo**ocks about the wrong fighter
Easy to state why Fury won after the event. But prior the majority didn't give him the respect he obviously deserved. Myself included.
His build up was obviously spot on, and the hard work was evident in how lean he was for him. Obviously he doesn't seem the sort who will ever turn up cut like Joshua or some other fighters.
I always though Klitschko, had changed his fighting style from the early losses in his career. Such that he avoided risking taking a big hit. And this has worked for him. His natural build was such that he nearly always had the longer reach etc, so like Mayweather reduced his chances of being caught.
He also never seemed to be one to take a chance and commit looking for a KO, preferring to wait until a fighter was hurt before jumping in.
Fury as such exploited this keeping him at arms length, and as comical as his movement appeared compared to the much lighter fighters. It worked
Klitschko himself admitted afterwards he couldn't find his range using the Jab.
The only disappointment was in Klitschko, in that once he knew the fight was going away from him. He didnt seem to have a B plan.
And as such looked like he would rather lose on points, than think screw this lets go toe to toe and see if i can get a KO.
I believe he has in inherent fear of being hurt by a big shot, and as such is unwilling to take one.
Great when you are usually ahead on points, but when behind in a fight its a huge obstacle to overcome.
irony being its a situation i would love to have seen Mayweather take, knowing he had to take risks to claw back a points deficit.
It was a good night for Boxing and livened the Heavyweight ranks up. I feel furys style is such that hes beatable. So their will be plenty of fights where people believe his opponents have a chance of a win.
Regardless of how long his reign is, he won easily last night and should enjoy his moment
Edit as someone kindly pointed out i was talking bo**ocks about the wrong fighter
Edited by mikebradford on Sunday 29th November 13:59
Edited by mikebradford on Sunday 29th November 14:11
Someone should probably mention James de Gale retained his ibf world title last night also, a reported comfortable points victory over a tough and experienced opponent in Lucian bute... So that paves the way for him to a get a potential massive pay day and a super fight with one of the other Brits or a unification bout at super middle?
Some odd comments here, and those that have followed Fury a little more in depth outside of the 'antics' will know he actually (for a 
) conducts himself quite well and is respectful.
This fight was his biggest and he sold it well nothing more than that, and i'd have thought most would realise that boxing is a lot more than just the fight these days.
Anyway, fair play to Fury. My one concern was getting into a fight and losing discipline and starting to gas late on.
Yes he was very tired in rounds 11 & 12, but he worked hard and moved a lot, which will tire the big man. His head movement was world class and his footwork left kept him well away from Wladimir's right pretty much all night...the perfect plan.
He did it and i'm pleased. I can't see Fury living the life and maintaining himself, that's the issue, he'll need to train harder for the rematch, believe me.
Overall, pleased he proved me wrong and was an engaging match that I thoroughly enjoyed.
) conducts himself quite well and is respectful.This fight was his biggest and he sold it well nothing more than that, and i'd have thought most would realise that boxing is a lot more than just the fight these days.
Anyway, fair play to Fury. My one concern was getting into a fight and losing discipline and starting to gas late on.
Yes he was very tired in rounds 11 & 12, but he worked hard and moved a lot, which will tire the big man. His head movement was world class and his footwork left kept him well away from Wladimir's right pretty much all night...the perfect plan.
He did it and i'm pleased. I can't see Fury living the life and maintaining himself, that's the issue, he'll need to train harder for the rematch, believe me.
Overall, pleased he proved me wrong and was an engaging match that I thoroughly enjoyed.
mikebradford said:
Just read the reports on the James De Gale fight, judging by the press he got a deserved win
Big congratulations for him and his team
It was actually a pretty good fight but 'deserved' win may be being a bit generous to DeGale. I generally don't keep a round-by-round scorecard when watching a fight but overall it felt a pretty even contest to me, which I think is where the Sky card had it as well. I certainly didn't see it as clear-cut as the official cards had it. I think you could say that Bute didn't do quite enough to win the title but, there again, in Canada it wouldn't have been a massive surprise to see it being scored in his favour either.Big congratulations for him and his team
That it was as close as it turned out to be is to the credit of Bute...I didn't think he had a performance like that left in him. So it's a credible win for DeGale, although he seemed to be falling into his old failing of spending too much time sitting on the ropes absorbing shots, which we were told was something he used to do because a hip injury was hampering his mobility and that had been rectified about 18 months ago. On the evidence of last night, it looked to me there's something more fundamental about it...
In fairness to DeGale, though, I think I'd rate him as being about the best in the division at the moment. However, I don't think a fight with Badou Jack will be the walk in the park DeGale seems to think it will be. When DeGale is in the zone, he's capable of boxing rings around Jack, who can be a bit one-paced. But as/when DeGale goes through spells when he's not in the asendancy, as he experienced against both Dirrell and Bute, Jack will make some serious headway against him...
Edited by Yiliterate on Sunday 29th November 16:14
"Wladimir Klitschko says he will fight Tyson Fury again next year, having lost his world heavyweight titles to the British fighter in Dusseldorf.
Fury, 27, pulled off one of the biggest upsets in heavyweight history, outpointing Ukrainian Klitschko and bringing his nine-year reign to an end.
There was a rematch clause in the fight contract, but it is yet to be decided whether Germany or the UK will host it.
"I lost the battle but the fighter is still in me," said Klitschko, 39.
"We'll soon work out when and where the rematch will take place and let you know," he added.
Fury replied: "I'm a fighter, so I will take on all challengers. I want to be a great champion and I'd like to do it all again. Who knows what the rematch holds? One thing I can say about it is that it's going to be explosive."
Same result in a rematch? Maybe in a rematch Wlad will try throwing some punches?
Fury, 27, pulled off one of the biggest upsets in heavyweight history, outpointing Ukrainian Klitschko and bringing his nine-year reign to an end.
There was a rematch clause in the fight contract, but it is yet to be decided whether Germany or the UK will host it.
"I lost the battle but the fighter is still in me," said Klitschko, 39.
"We'll soon work out when and where the rematch will take place and let you know," he added.
Fury replied: "I'm a fighter, so I will take on all challengers. I want to be a great champion and I'd like to do it all again. Who knows what the rematch holds? One thing I can say about it is that it's going to be explosive."
Same result in a rematch? Maybe in a rematch Wlad will try throwing some punches?
absolutely gutted at that result at the weekend. not because i particularly dislike fury but rather a fighter of wlad's stature shouldn't be losing to a guy like that. i had put the jennings performance down to a bad day at the office but i have to accept now that maybe it's time to go for "my" heavyweight champ. as much as i loved lennox, wladimir was always my guy. through the losses, the rebuilding and ultimate dominance i have watched in admiration as an unashamed fanboy.
i've become so accustomed to him winning i was in total shock on saturday night. the stats just don't make any sense. 18 right hands thrown the entire fight! he threw that many at pulev in the first round for fks sake.
you take the wlad from the haye fight and stick him in there last saturday and fury is out.
i know it happens, it still breaks my heart watching rocky marciano crying after knocking out joe louis.....but at least marciano was another great......fury may prove me wrong but i've got a horrible feeling that we're gonna get the belts passed around like a cheap we for a few years now until the cream rises to the top. and even then how long will we wait for the true next great???
here's what i would like to see happen now. klitschko regroups , sorts the problems he had ( i suppose we will never find out but something was definately wrong in there on saturday) and takes the immediate rematch.
here's hoping he winds the clock back and pulls out one last great performance to get all the marbles back then retires on top.
apart from lennox and marciano all the other greats haven't had such a dignified end to their careers. here's hoping.
edited to add........
the blueprint for wladimir in the second fight must be what he did in the 12th round. how glen mccrory scored that round to fury is beyond me because wlad was all over tyson.
a bit more of that much earlier in the rematch please.
i've become so accustomed to him winning i was in total shock on saturday night. the stats just don't make any sense. 18 right hands thrown the entire fight! he threw that many at pulev in the first round for f
ks sake.you take the wlad from the haye fight and stick him in there last saturday and fury is out.
i know it happens, it still breaks my heart watching rocky marciano crying after knocking out joe louis.....but at least marciano was another great......fury may prove me wrong but i've got a horrible feeling that we're gonna get the belts passed around like a cheap w
e for a few years now until the cream rises to the top. and even then how long will we wait for the true next great???here's what i would like to see happen now. klitschko regroups , sorts the problems he had ( i suppose we will never find out but something was definately wrong in there on saturday) and takes the immediate rematch.
here's hoping he winds the clock back and pulls out one last great performance to get all the marbles back then retires on top.
apart from lennox and marciano all the other greats haven't had such a dignified end to their careers. here's hoping.
edited to add........
the blueprint for wladimir in the second fight must be what he did in the 12th round. how glen mccrory scored that round to fury is beyond me because wlad was all over tyson.
a bit more of that much earlier in the rematch please.
Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 30th November 08:33
Edited by tuscaneer on Monday 30th November 08:33
Before I forget, did anyone else hear a post-fight interview where Fury was talking about how hard he had to work in there, and specifically mentioned that he'd moved about so much he'd hurt the skin on one of his toes?! The thing is, he said it in such a dead-pan, un-emphasised way, I've still no idea whether it was just an unthinking statement of fact or whether it was a deliberate dig at both Klitschko and Haye! Really hope it was the latter because I'd love to think with all the slapstick and clowning about, that Fury's capable of something as subtle as that...!
Tusc, here's a question for you related to the above...as an unavowed WK supporter, would you rather Wlad lost to Fury in the way he did and at the time he did, or lost to Haye when they they fought in 2011 (for sake of context, say a similar 12 round decision rather than Haye battering him into the middle of next week)?
Tusc, here's a question for you related to the above...as an unavowed WK supporter, would you rather Wlad lost to Fury in the way he did and at the time he did, or lost to Haye when they they fought in 2011 (for sake of context, say a similar 12 round decision rather than Haye battering him into the middle of next week)?
Yiliterate said:
Before I forget, did anyone else hear a post-fight interview where Fury was talking about how hard he had to work in there, and specifically mentioned that he'd moved about so much he'd hurt the skin on one of his toes?! The thing is, he said it in such a dead-pan, un-emphasised way, I've still no idea whether it was just an unthinking statement of fact or whether it was a deliberate dig at both Klitschko and Haye! Really hope it was the latter because I'd love to think with all the slapstick and clowning about, that Fury's capable of something as subtle as that...!
Tusc, here's a question for you related to the above...as an unavowed WK supporter, would you rather Wlad lost to Fury in the way he did and at the time he did, or lost to Haye when they they fought in 2011 (for sake of context, say a similar 12 round decision rather than Haye battering him into the middle of next week)?
I was reading that Fury had said he was only fighting at 65% and that he still had more to give?? Alot of it will just be talk at the end of the day. Tusc, here's a question for you related to the above...as an unavowed WK supporter, would you rather Wlad lost to Fury in the way he did and at the time he did, or lost to Haye when they they fought in 2011 (for sake of context, say a similar 12 round decision rather than Haye battering him into the middle of next week)?
Yiliterate said:
Before I forget, did anyone else hear a post-fight interview where Fury was talking about how hard he had to work in there, and specifically mentioned that he'd moved about so much he'd hurt the skin on one of his toes?! The thing is, he said it in such a dead-pan, un-emphasised way, I've still no idea whether it was just an unthinking statement of fact or whether it was a deliberate dig at both Klitschko and Haye! Really hope it was the latter because I'd love to think with all the slapstick and clowning about, that Fury's capable of something as subtle as that...!
Tusc, here's a question for you related to the above...as an unavowed WK supporter, would you rather Wlad lost to Fury in the way he did and at the time he did, or lost to Haye when they they fought in 2011 (for sake of context, say a similar 12 round decision rather than Haye battering him into the middle of next week)?
well.....he's had a furter 8 wins since haye, povetkin and pulev top tier legacy fights while thompson and wach were solid wins.....i suppose at least with the timing now it's certainly an age toll.....Tusc, here's a question for you related to the above...as an unavowed WK supporter, would you rather Wlad lost to Fury in the way he did and at the time he did, or lost to Haye when they they fought in 2011 (for sake of context, say a similar 12 round decision rather than Haye battering him into the middle of next week)?
Yiliterate said:
Before I forget, did anyone else hear a post-fight interview where Fury was talking about how hard he had to work in there, and specifically mentioned that he'd moved about so much he'd hurt the skin on one of his toes?! The thing is, he said it in such a dead-pan, un-emphasised way, I've still no idea whether it was just an unthinking statement of fact or whether it was a deliberate dig at both Klitschko and Haye! Really hope it was the latter because I'd love to think with all the slapstick and clowning about, that Fury's capable of something as subtle as that...!
There's reference to a blistered toe here! 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/34958866
tuscaneer said:
absolutel
sorts the problems he had ( i suppose we will never find out but something was definately wrong in there on saturday) and takes the immediate rematch.
here's hoping he winds the clock back and pulls out one last great performance to get all the marbles back then retires on top.
In the commentary just before the fight it was said that Vlads wife had been admitted to a clinic for Post natal depression. If anyone has had a partner who has suffered this rotten illness will know that it takes all the life out of ALL the family...If he has been trying to cope with this that may explain why he was under par , because he clearly was. I wanted Fury to win & I was impressed at his performance buy equally puzzled by Klitchko's lack of his.sorts the problems he had ( i suppose we will never find out but something was definately wrong in there on saturday) and takes the immediate rematch.
here's hoping he winds the clock back and pulls out one last great performance to get all the marbles back then retires on top.
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