The **BOXING** thread Vol 2
Discussion
FredClogs said:
There's no doubt the Vlad's footwork is sublime and for a man of his size his movement in and out in straight lines is almost like he's hovering over the canvas and he was doing it against Fury but the problem is he was placing his front foot, letting the jab go and immediately realising he was still out of range, either because Fury had moved, lent back or lent forward or even beaten him to the jab. I think the only way to deal with a bigger, longer and quicker guy is to go all Joe Fraser on his arse, cross guard cover up get underneath and launch over hand rights... Which Vlad was hinting at in round 12, or at least throwing caution to the wind and just letting the punches fly rather than trying surgical one twos and trying to get Fury with "perfect boxing". It's what Chisora does and Fury still picked him apart too mind you... (not that Chisora is in the league of Joe Frasier). Wilder's very capable of knocking Fury out I think but I don't think Vlad is of an age or mentality where he's going to try new things.
i hear what you're saying mate but honestly the foot pressure and the trap setting just wasn't there . compare his footwork to the haye fight....poles apart and i can't have it that he was gunshy of fury more than haye because haye hits WAY harder than tyson does.I'm still totally bemused by Saturday's debacle. I don't buy into the whole "klitschkos shot it's his age" thing. He fought pulev literally 12 months ago, who he wiped out. Pulev is better than fury.
I just don't believe he's deteriorated in months to that extent. Clearly there's something else going on.. Is the work he does with Jonathan banks for the big fights simply not as good as with steward, but that would be contradictory to all the wins in between.
I just don't believe he's deteriorated in months to that extent. Clearly there's something else going on.. Is the work he does with Jonathan banks for the big fights simply not as good as with steward, but that would be contradictory to all the wins in between.
m4tti said:
I'm still totally bemused by Saturday's debacle. I don't buy into the whole "klitschkos shot it's his age" thing. He fought pulev literally 12 months ago, who he wiped out. Pulev is better than fury.
I just don't believe he's deteriorated in months to that extent. Clearly there's something else going on.. Is the work he does with Jonathan banks for the big fights simply not as good as with steward, but that would be contradictory to all the wins in between.
i agree something was wrong...as i said before if you re watch the "carl met wladimir" thing on sky he looks like he's absolutely drained. he'll never come out and use it as an excuse but how much of his wife's illness has been a contributing factor here??I just don't believe he's deteriorated in months to that extent. Clearly there's something else going on.. Is the work he does with Jonathan banks for the big fights simply not as good as with steward, but that would be contradictory to all the wins in between.
what's this about i wonder??.....
In an article reported on BoxingScene.com, Vitali said: "The show will go on. The audience got used to the fact that Wladimir constantly wins all of his fights. But now, in my opinion, the next fight will generate a ton of interest.
"Many experts have said that they did not recognise Wladimir [in that fight, because he did not look like his usual self]. I felt the same way, because Wladimir is one of the most skilful fighters in the world.
"Usually he is in good shape and he fights strategically. This time we did not see him in good condition, no good technique. And the reasons for this we can talk about later - it's too early to discuss them now.
In an article reported on BoxingScene.com, Vitali said: "The show will go on. The audience got used to the fact that Wladimir constantly wins all of his fights. But now, in my opinion, the next fight will generate a ton of interest.
"Many experts have said that they did not recognise Wladimir [in that fight, because he did not look like his usual self]. I felt the same way, because Wladimir is one of the most skilful fighters in the world.
"Usually he is in good shape and he fights strategically. This time we did not see him in good condition, no good technique. And the reasons for this we can talk about later - it's too early to discuss them now.
physically I thought he looked spot on but something wasn't right for a proud man like him to lose his legacy without much of a fight is confusing. Maybe we are not giving Fury enough credit and I guess we will see in his next fight where he is. I have had this vision of a Tyson in his pomp fighting Fury and how long it might last...not long.
tuscaneer said:
what's this about i wonder??.....
In an article reported on BoxingScene.com, Vitali said: "The show will go on. The audience got used to the fact that Wladimir constantly wins all of his fights. But now, in my opinion, the next fight will generate a ton of interest.
"Many experts have said that they did not recognise Wladimir [in that fight, because he did not look like his usual self]. I felt the same way, because Wladimir is one of the most skilful fighters in the world.
"Usually he is in good shape and he fights strategically. This time we did not see him in good condition, no good technique. And the reasons for this we can talk about later - it's too early to discuss them now.
Shouldn't the mayor of Ukaraine have other things on his mind at the moment?In an article reported on BoxingScene.com, Vitali said: "The show will go on. The audience got used to the fact that Wladimir constantly wins all of his fights. But now, in my opinion, the next fight will generate a ton of interest.
"Many experts have said that they did not recognise Wladimir [in that fight, because he did not look like his usual self]. I felt the same way, because Wladimir is one of the most skilful fighters in the world.
"Usually he is in good shape and he fights strategically. This time we did not see him in good condition, no good technique. And the reasons for this we can talk about later - it's too early to discuss them now.
I'll entertain a conspiracy theory, I'll buy that a rematch is profitable and Valds legacy won't be harmed if he regains the titles... But I won't buy that Vlad was in poor physical shape, mental maybe, but he looked pretty fresh to me and you don't just forget how to box overnight.
There's a lot of weird stuff happening here if you think on it, the ring canvass, the whole thing with the hand wraps was bizarre, the argument over the gloves Vlad tried to impose on Fury... Maybe these are things people just normally accept from the Klitchkos and Fury had the bottle to stand up to them?
FredClogs said:
Shouldn't the mayor of Ukaraine have other things on his mind at the moment?
I'll entertain a conspiracy theory, I'll buy that a rematch is profitable and Valds legacy won't be harmed if he regains the titles... But I won't buy that Vlad was in poor physical shape, mental maybe, but he looked pretty fresh to me and you don't just forget how to box overnight.
There's a lot of weird stuff happening here if you think on it, the ring canvass, the whole thing with the hand wraps was bizarre, the argument over the gloves Vlad tried to impose on Fury... Maybe these are things people just normally accept from the Klitchkos and Fury had the bottle to stand up to them?
i think as yiliterate pointed out the other day psychological mind games are a staple of any behind the scenes shennanigans .....from vitali bearing over the handwrapping to keeping people waiting in the ring etc. etc.I'll entertain a conspiracy theory, I'll buy that a rematch is profitable and Valds legacy won't be harmed if he regains the titles... But I won't buy that Vlad was in poor physical shape, mental maybe, but he looked pretty fresh to me and you don't just forget how to box overnight.
There's a lot of weird stuff happening here if you think on it, the ring canvass, the whole thing with the hand wraps was bizarre, the argument over the gloves Vlad tried to impose on Fury... Maybe these are things people just normally accept from the Klitchkos and Fury had the bottle to stand up to them?
i'm not suggesting a conspiracy theory just maybe he was going through the motions in camp and had his mind elsewhere.
if he was going to lose i had it down to a young lion, just not tyson fury. just because he was up on his toes his team are acting like he's the second coming of ali wheras in reality klitschko usually shuts down fleet footed guys well...and throws some punches as well...
I don't buy into the whole 'Klitschko's are cheats' line that Fury is drumming out, but I do think a major factor was the fact that Fury and his team managed to fight off all the usual tactics (gloves, ring canvas etc) which Klitschko has used in the past, largely winning the psychological battle before fight night.
It was a poor Wlad, but it was an excellent game plan executed to perfection by Fury. This wasn't just fight night, but everything leading up to it.
Fury is awkward in the ring and a f
king annoying bd outside it. He was underestimated (not by me though- I backed him to win in previous posts) and has always been understated because he doesn't look classy and skillful. Compare his two fights against Chisora (who also did ok against Klitschko); the first was quite close, the other he ruined him. He has developed a lot.
I do think that the dominant heavyweight will be AJ, eventually.
It was a poor Wlad, but it was an excellent game plan executed to perfection by Fury. This wasn't just fight night, but everything leading up to it.
Fury is awkward in the ring and a f
king annoying bd outside it. He was underestimated (not by me though- I backed him to win in previous posts) and has always been understated because he doesn't look classy and skillful. Compare his two fights against Chisora (who also did ok against Klitschko); the first was quite close, the other he ruined him. He has developed a lot.I do think that the dominant heavyweight will be AJ, eventually.
It's an exciting time in the division, for the first time in quite a few years.
One thing I would like to see is Fury now taking on Wilder, giving Wlad time to get his head in order. Then Wlad takes on the winner, perhaps as a final fight before retiring. Unifies the division fully, tests two boxers who are largely considered below par (though Fury not so much now) and gives Wlad the opportunity to go out with a bang.
One thing I would like to see is Fury now taking on Wilder, giving Wlad time to get his head in order. Then Wlad takes on the winner, perhaps as a final fight before retiring. Unifies the division fully, tests two boxers who are largely considered below par (though Fury not so much now) and gives Wlad the opportunity to go out with a bang.
tuscaneer said:
what's this about i wonder??.....
In an article reported on BoxingScene.com, Vitali said: "The show will go on. The audience got used to the fact that Wladimir constantly wins all of his fights. But now, in my opinion, the next fight will generate a ton of interest.
"Many experts have said that they did not recognise Wladimir [in that fight, because he did not look like his usual self]. I felt the same way, because Wladimir is one of the most skilful fighters in the world.
"Usually he is in good shape and he fights strategically. This time we did not see him in good condition, no good technique. And the reasons for this we can talk about later - it's too early to discuss them now.
It wouldn't surprise me if his team let it slip he had a mild injury, like an impingement in his shoulder hampering him. He'd never mention it himself, being magnanimous in defeat, and having laughed at the "toe mans" excuses. In an article reported on BoxingScene.com, Vitali said: "The show will go on. The audience got used to the fact that Wladimir constantly wins all of his fights. But now, in my opinion, the next fight will generate a ton of interest.
"Many experts have said that they did not recognise Wladimir [in that fight, because he did not look like his usual self]. I felt the same way, because Wladimir is one of the most skilful fighters in the world.
"Usually he is in good shape and he fights strategically. This time we did not see him in good condition, no good technique. And the reasons for this we can talk about later - it's too early to discuss them now.
johnxjsc1985 said:
tuscaneer said:
joshua will be the man...but in the short term i really think povetkin will have his moment in the sun...
I really like this kid he seems to have it all.there's an opponent in front of him that he's concerned about getting hit by!
dirty boy said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
tuscaneer said:
joshua will be the man...but in the short term i really think povetkin will have his moment in the sun...
I really like this kid he seems to have it all.there's an opponent in front of him that he's concerned about getting hit by!
Just because Vlad has ruled literally with an iron fist over the division does not mean he will not be affected by his wife's illness. Someone earlier said in reply to my post that they thought Vlad would not have been affected as he is to much of a professional, he is, admittedly very professional, but when its your wife & I presume his first born child in this situation you would have to have a heart of stone not to be affected by it. Also Vlad has a history of emotional problems ie panic attacks when younger, this may have shaken him a lot. 'If' he does come back, he will win the belts again, Fury was saying he was going to retire come what may but now can smell the re-match money...who can blame him? Wilder does not really impress me at all, I do not think he would walk through Fury as some here think.
StuTheGrouch said:
It's an exciting time in the division, for the first time in quite a few years.
One thing I would like to see is Fury now taking on Wilder, giving Wlad time to get his head in order. Then Wlad takes on the winner, perhaps as a final fight before retiring. Unifies the division fully, tests two boxers who are largely considered below par (though Fury not so much now) and gives Wlad the opportunity to go out with a bang.
Doesn't Wilder have a mandatory defence against Povetkin? One thing I would like to see is Fury now taking on Wilder, giving Wlad time to get his head in order. Then Wlad takes on the winner, perhaps as a final fight before retiring. Unifies the division fully, tests two boxers who are largely considered below par (though Fury not so much now) and gives Wlad the opportunity to go out with a bang.
Challo said:
I think if AJ beats Dillian Whyte then they need to quickly step him up. No point continuing to fight guys who will only last a round. I suspect AJ wont be a David Price and have a suspect chin but you never know.
If AJ beats Dillian Whyte maybe he could fight Hughie Fury? Build up the hype for Tyson Fury....If your YouTube feed is anything like mine you've probably had this pop up 10 greatest boxers of all time, it's worth watching, there's some footage I've not seen before of Joe Louis and Henry Armstrong and it's always worth watching the other guys again...
Heads up for tonight, Joshua vs Whyte 'The Gloves Are Off' is on Sky Sports 1 at 6:30PM.
Part of me is really looking forward to this fight. The other part of me is thinking it's bad to knock back one of our prospects so early on. From both of their last fights I truly believe Whyte is going to be far too easy to hit. Just hope there is a bit of respect after the final bell.
Part of me is really looking forward to this fight. The other part of me is thinking it's bad to knock back one of our prospects so early on. From both of their last fights I truly believe Whyte is going to be far too easy to hit. Just hope there is a bit of respect after the final bell.
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