World Athletic Championships.

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stephen300o

15,464 posts

227 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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Usain ran that bend better than I have seen him run it before, slowing to a nineteen fifty, he could still challenge his own record again yet, great.

272BHP

4,960 posts

235 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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Looked as though Bolt was in better form than expected but he was always very good at the mind games. Gatlin would probably have taken a 19.74 before the race as it is a very good time for him - Nothing you can do when someone rocks up with a 19.55!

Excellent progression from Hughes as well, sub 20 cannot be far away.


Rosscow

8,723 posts

162 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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Bolt taken out by a cameraman on a Segway!! hehe

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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if anyone thinks they are all doped up why bother watching it. I think Gatlin should have been banned for life on the first positive test and that goes for the likes of Contrador or any other sportsman or woman who cheats.
i would be shocked if Bolt ever tested positive he is just a perfect specimen for his chosen sport.
Next thing you'll all be telling my Armstrong used performance enhancing Drugs

stephen300o

15,464 posts

227 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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He had to beat Buzz somehow.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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mcelliott said:
No doubting his class as a junior, however he improved his 100m best from 10.03 to 9.69 in one year. Hard to explain that one.
He didn't run a 100m for many years-and ran 10.03 in his first race in ages-then as he got used to the race and the distance, starting etc he ran the very quick times. Michael Johnson tonight showed the advantage his massive stride gives him.

It was an amazing performance tonight by Bolt-he's still got it-it must be scary for the others as he's back to close to his best.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Thursday 27th August 2015
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cookie118 said:
He didn't run a 100m for many years-and ran 10.03 in his first race in ages-then as he got used to the race and the distance, starting etc he ran the very quick times. Michael Johnson tonight showed the advantage his massive stride gives him.

It was an amazing performance tonight by Bolt-he's still got it-it must be scary for the others as he's back to close to his best.
Sometimes Sport throws up someone who is actually perfectly built for the sport a "natural" I believe in him totally unlike many others . i would like to see him have a go at the 400m now that would be worth seeing

DaveR

1,209 posts

283 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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johnxjsc1985 said:
cookie118 said:
He didn't run a 100m for many years-and ran 10.03 in his first race in ages-then as he got used to the race and the distance, starting etc he ran the very quick times. Michael Johnson tonight showed the advantage his massive stride gives him.

It was an amazing performance tonight by Bolt-he's still got it-it must be scary for the others as he's back to close to his best.
Sometimes Sport throws up someone who is actually perfectly built for the sport a "natural" I believe in him totally unlike many others . i would like to see him have a go at the 400m now that would be worth seeing
Indeed and me too. Look at Phelps in the pool (best ignore some of the stuff out of it). His body shape is just weird. Sort of similar to a swift (bird) which hardly has any legs because it's always in the air. Phelps' whole body is all about wingspan which, for butterfly, make him the perfect shape. Bolt's the same. If you're made of the right muscle types and they're the same as the next bloke and you can move your legs at the same speed as him then if you have a massively longer stride length you're going to be bloody difficult to beat.

Anyway, Gatlin's as good a case as you'll ever see for lifetime bans. It's really hard looking at him not to believe that his physiology is still different now to what it would shave been if he hadn't done what he did in the past. Further, Bolt clearly does find it more difficult now to produce the speed of a few years ago (even if he has been injured) and he's younger than Gatlin.

bigee

1,485 posts

237 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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Gatlin is what, 33 ? and is running far quicker than he was a few years ago.Are there any other elite athletes out there that are producing such performances ?
I tend to agree re: his pyhsiology too, looks a lot like Ben Johnson did, almost too bulky.

London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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bigee said:
Gatlin is what, 33 ? and is running far quicker than he was a few years ago.Are there any other elite athletes out there that are producing such performances ?
I tend to agree re: his pyhsiology too, looks a lot like Ben Johnson did, almost too bulky.
Asafa Powell (32) still running fast times.

And check out Kim Collins too. 39 years old!

bigee

1,485 posts

237 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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True,but not anywhere near Gatlins times.(Have they both not got 'skeletons' in their closets ? )

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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272BHP said:
ash73 said:
I think Cram's commentary is fantastic, he's clearly disgusted by cheats which is the right attitude, imo. And I like that they mention athletes' dope convictions during the lineup, as it's difficult to keep track.

Bolt has been blowing everyone away since he was a kid, and you can see why just looking at him.
Cram knows the score but he is just telling the public (and the bosses who pay his wages) what they want to hear.

I would bet my life savings on Bolt being a doper. why? 9.58. Has anyone run sub 9.90 drug free? doubtful I would say. In an event that times are shaved off in microseconds a 9.58 is just a ridiculous jump in performance.
Team mates caught, lack of testing in Jamaica, coaches involved. Jamaican sprinting is pretty tarnished by doping. Bolt is a great spectacle but if he's running clean, he'd be the exception.

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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DaveR said:
Indeed and me too. Look at Phelps in the pool (best ignore some of the stuff out of it). His body shape is just weird. Sort of similar to a swift (bird) which hardly has any legs because it's always in the air. Phelps' whole body is all about wingspan which, for butterfly, make him the perfect shape. Bolt's the same. If you're made of the right muscle types and they're the same as the next bloke and you can move your legs at the same speed as him then if you have a massively longer stride length you're going to be bloody difficult to beat.

Anyway, Gatlin's as good a case as you'll ever see for lifetime bans. It's really hard looking at him not to believe that his physiology is still different now to what it would shave been if he hadn't done what he did in the past. Further, Bolt clearly does find it more difficult now to produce the speed of a few years ago (even if he has been injured) and he's younger than Gatlin.
I was thinking endurance is improved with age so 400m might be his event but I think competing at his level for so long is very stressful but lets see.Did he not do a 4x400 relay ?.

272BHP

4,960 posts

235 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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Bolt is well-suited physically for the 400 but possibly less so in other ways. At this level you can't train for the 2 sprints and the 400 so it would be all or nothing. Personally I don't think he possesses the mental strength to train for the longer distance - it is much harder work, something he is not really used to.

Shame as I would like to see him give it a go.

MiniMan64

16,860 posts

189 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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It says something about the state of British Athletics that can almost consider that afternoon a disappointment!

DaveR

1,209 posts

283 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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anonymous said:
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Nobody has said that. An awful lot of people have said they didn't want to see Gatlin win. That's not the same thing.

Dai Greene said he couldn't stand the sight of Gatlin on the starting line. I know where he's coming from. I've felt exactly the same way about Dwain Chambers for a long time.

Everyone knows that Seb Coe has got a stload of cleaning up work to do on athletics as a whole and many have explicitly said also that Bolt winning doesn't change anything in that respect.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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DaveR said:
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Nobody has said that. An awful lot of people have said they didn't want to see Gatlin win. That's not the same thing.

Dai Greene said he couldn't stand the sight of Gatlin on the starting line. I know where he's coming from. I've felt exactly the same way about Dwain Chambers for a long time.

Everyone knows that Seb Coe has got a stload of cleaning up work to do on athletics as a whole and many have explicitly said also that Bolt winning doesn't change anything in that respect.
Coe can't possibly sort it out. The doping is in many cases state run. You need at least lifetime and even team bans if enough athletes are caught.

mcelliott

8,626 posts

180 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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I put Coe in the same camp as Cram and all the other BBC luvvies. Will only talk about the huge doping problem when the agenda suits. Is Coe still taking a wage from Nike? Just watched the women's 200m final. OMFG. Dutch girl went from 117 on the all time list to 4th...

Edited by mcelliott on Friday 28th August 17:02

Sargeant Orange

2,687 posts

146 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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mcelliott said:
Just watched the women's 200m final. OMFG. Dutch girl went from 117 on the all time list to 4th...
She must be on ped's then if you follow a lot of the comments on this thread to their logical conclusion

Edited by Sargeant Orange on Friday 28th August 19:25

DaveR

1,209 posts

283 months

Friday 28th August 2015
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anonymous said:
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Yes, I know he said it. I heard him. Right after I'd stopped screaming at the telly in support of Bolt. It doesn't mean I or anyone else takes the 'he may have even saved his sport' bit literally. I like Cram's commentary too for the fact that, first and foremost, he so obviously cares so deeply for his sport. He's an ex-athlete first, a BBC commentator second.

It's quite ironic really that when people get upset with the BBC for being overly 'inclusive' and neutral that someone they employ shows a bit of passion and then gets picked up for not being more neutral and objective!

I think Cram can be forgiven the heat of the moment hyperbole when he was probably struggling to stop himself shouting something else more along the lines of, "'Ave it you cheating , Gatlin. Now why don't you just fk off!" Which, in the privacy of my own lounge, was closer to what I shouted. hehe