England Rugby - what is needed for a successful future....
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I think we want someone with proven pedigree on the international stage.
Gatland could be interesting if he brought Edwards with him though...
An Eddie Jones and Sean Edwards coaching team could be awesome and probably my 'first choice'.
I would always welcome SCW back. He did the job and there can be no doubt about that.
However, he said he didn't want the job in a private chat with my buddy... But maybe he'd change his mind with an open cheque book for his salary and for recruitment?
Having said that, with the RFU having tried to stab him in the back, previously, I can't see Ritchie and Andrew wanting him there.
Gatland could be interesting if he brought Edwards with him though...
An Eddie Jones and Sean Edwards coaching team could be awesome and probably my 'first choice'.
I would always welcome SCW back. He did the job and there can be no doubt about that.
However, he said he didn't want the job in a private chat with my buddy... But maybe he'd change his mind with an open cheque book for his salary and for recruitment?
Having said that, with the RFU having tried to stab him in the back, previously, I can't see Ritchie and Andrew wanting him there.
I was listening to Matt Dawson on 5Live last night and he was talking about getting a coach in which is a head honcho and calls the shots top to bottom on how the England team is going to work, and also the structure behind it. Similar to Cheika and Austrailia where he went in basically told them he wants the ban on overseas players scrapped and this is how i want to do things.
Can you see the RFU allowing someone to do that? No chance as it will upset the apple cart. Unless we give someone that power and allow the changes to be made then we will always be behind the southern hemisphere teams.
Can you see the RFU allowing someone to do that? No chance as it will upset the apple cart. Unless we give someone that power and allow the changes to be made then we will always be behind the southern hemisphere teams.
It's hard to say what SCW could do 12 odd years on from winning the RWC. He had the Golden age in terms of players but brought a level of professionalism to the set up that was required.
He talks a lot of sense most of the time IMO. But then again it's easy being an arm chair coach as we all know!!
He talks a lot of sense most of the time IMO. But then again it's easy being an arm chair coach as we all know!!
a311 said:
It's hard to say what SCW could do 12 odd years on from winning the RWC. He had the Golden age in terms of players but brought a level of professionalism to the set up that was required.
He talks a lot of sense most of the time IMO. But then again it's easy being an arm chair coach as we all know!!
That's my view as well. He talks a lot of sense most of the time IMO. But then again it's easy being an arm chair coach as we all know!!
He had a 2 year period where he had a team that contained not only legends of the English game, but could argue a case for 4-5 starters in a World 15.
Pre 2002 and post W/C when they retired there wasn't much to shout about.
ETA: I doubt you'd get an Englishman into a World 23 squad right now.
Edited by London424 on Thursday 12th November 14:15
London424 said:
That's my view as well.
He had a 2 year period where he had a team that contained not only legends of the English game, but could argue a case for 4-5 starters in a World 15.
Pre 2002 and post W/C when they retired there wasn't much to shout about.
ETA: I doubt you'd get an Englishman into a World 23 squad right now.
Joe Launchburry is the only one I could think of fit and on form. Mike Brown over the last few years has arguably been on of the top FB's.He had a 2 year period where he had a team that contained not only legends of the English game, but could argue a case for 4-5 starters in a World 15.
Pre 2002 and post W/C when they retired there wasn't much to shout about.
ETA: I doubt you'd get an Englishman into a World 23 squad right now.
Edited by London424 on Thursday 12th November 14:15
a311 said:
London424 said:
That's my view as well.
He had a 2 year period where he had a team that contained not only legends of the English game, but could argue a case for 4-5 starters in a World 15.
Pre 2002 and post W/C when they retired there wasn't much to shout about.
ETA: I doubt you'd get an Englishman into a World 23 squad right now.
Joe Launchburry is the only one I could think of fit and on form. Mike Brown over the last few years has arguably been on of the top FB's.He had a 2 year period where he had a team that contained not only legends of the English game, but could argue a case for 4-5 starters in a World 15.
Pre 2002 and post W/C when they retired there wasn't much to shout about.
ETA: I doubt you'd get an Englishman into a World 23 squad right now.
Edited by London424 on Thursday 12th November 14:15
AB's - Retallik, Whitelock
Oz - Douglas
Ireland - POC
SA - Etzebeth
Wales - AWJ
I'm not sure I'd be starting JL above some of those players.
I think England have a lot of 'good' players. The 2003 team had quite a few 'great' players.
Organisations run by committee rarely work well.
As said previously, England need a dictator of a head coach. It's no coincidence in my eyes that England's most successful period was when they had SCW being the closest thing to that dictator that they have ever had.
If that was the case RFU would have far more chance of netting someone like Eddie Jones or Wayne Smith. Sean Edwards as a member of the staff would be great too, but it's so obvious that it probably won't happen (such is the way with the RFU)
As said previously, England need a dictator of a head coach. It's no coincidence in my eyes that England's most successful period was when they had SCW being the closest thing to that dictator that they have ever had.
If that was the case RFU would have far more chance of netting someone like Eddie Jones or Wayne Smith. Sean Edwards as a member of the staff would be great too, but it's so obvious that it probably won't happen (such is the way with the RFU)
CR6ZZ said:
There is speculation over here that Hansen will step aside after the 2017 Lions tour. Further speculation is that if that happens, he may well consider a coaching job offshore, if the price is right. Is he a contender for England?
thing is that we can't be 18 months sans coach so that counts Hansen out IMOLondon424 said:
I think England have a lot of 'good' players. The 2003 team had quite a few 'great' players.
I think this is the rub.The possibility that Lancaster has missed 5, or 10 great players and 2, or 3 greater coaches is fanciful.
The manager takes the rap, but I do not believe that there is another manager with a silver bullet that can ensure that England can take-on and sustainablly beat most teams from the southern hemisphere.
Their strength is in their depth of skill.
At the risk of betraying some man love for Dean Ryan, he absolutely nails it.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/nov/12/...
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/nov/12/...
hornetrider said:
So Mallender has ruled himself out. Along with pretty much everyone else except Jake White... who's left?
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