England Rugby - what is needed for a successful future....
Discussion
timlongs said:
Big news this evening is Eddie Jones has rocketed from 9/1 to favourite with all the bookies. Some have even suspended betting. Some big money must have gone onto him and there's a few rumours floating about...
Hmm... If there's one coach the RFU won't be able to buy out of his contract, it's surely got to be Jones? After all, their owner only has the odd $8bn or so down the back of the sofa!Kermit power said:
timlongs said:
Big news this evening is Eddie Jones has rocketed from 9/1 to favourite with all the bookies. Some have even suspended betting. Some big money must have gone onto him and there's a few rumours floating about...
Hmm... If there's one coach the RFU won't be able to buy out of his contract, it's surely got to be Jones? After all, their owner only has the odd $8bn or so down the back of the sofa!Lots of people putting themselves out of the running all except Jakey White. Plenty of folk saying they don't want his brand of rugby but to be fair that would be down to bringing in a good attack coach. When he got the Brumbies to the Super Rugby final it wasn't on the back of boring rugby-he did have Larkham in as an assistant coach though.
I think the others should have stood down with Lancaster. Anyone else scared of a scenario where Farrell Snr is given the job in a interim capacity then give the job permanently?!
I think the others should have stood down with Lancaster. Anyone else scared of a scenario where Farrell Snr is given the job in a interim capacity then give the job permanently?!
a311 said:
Lots of people putting themselves out of the running all except Jakey White. Plenty of folk saying they don't want his brand of rugby but to be fair that would be down to bringing in a good attack coach. When he got the Brumbies to the Super Rugby final it wasn't on the back of boring rugby-he did have Larkham in as an assistant coach though.
I think the others should have stood down with Lancaster. Anyone else scared of a scenario where Farrell Snr is given the job in a interim capacity then give the job permanently?!
you mean in exactly the same way as bomber got the job? Well yes the RFU is that stupid and pig-headed (let's be honest here they've still got teflon Andrew there)I think the others should have stood down with Lancaster. Anyone else scared of a scenario where Farrell Snr is given the job in a interim capacity then give the job permanently?!
JRM said:
Anyone but Eddie - only the RFU would hire a coach with a worse win percentage than the current one and call it progress!
I get the impression one lucky win in RWC and the RFU all swoon - there's no hope, especially if he brings Borthwick with him!!
you'll be lining up Faz for the job then? I can think of loads worse than EJ - there are likely a few better as well (a few Kiwis stand, out NOT Warren) but I suspect not many.I get the impression one lucky win in RWC and the RFU all swoon - there's no hope, especially if he brings Borthwick with him!!
The main question though is - does he want to do the job? Let's be honest SA with the weather and benefits is, one would imagine, a great draw. Can he be arsed with all the s
t that comes with the job? I appreciate, as I've said previously, that the chance to test yourself at the highest level is a massive draw. Yes he's coached the Crims and helped with the yarpies but England will be a whole lot of pressure - that being said if he's coped with it with SA where rugby is taken nearly as seriously as in NZ then maybe he'll thrive here?I think most (including me) would be happy with EJ.
The formulae to success for England isn't an overly compicated one, sort the set peice out (I still think most looked over trained and tired in the WC) and pick players on form. I don't think EJ will bring with him any baggage or any preconceptions and hopefully be a fresh start. To be fair Lancaster did that initally but seemed to lack the conviction and experience to make tough calls.
There really aren't many outstanding canditates holding their hands up who'd I'd have, and it would be risky to have a punt on an English coach at the present time.
The formulae to success for England isn't an overly compicated one, sort the set peice out (I still think most looked over trained and tired in the WC) and pick players on form. I don't think EJ will bring with him any baggage or any preconceptions and hopefully be a fresh start. To be fair Lancaster did that initally but seemed to lack the conviction and experience to make tough calls.
There really aren't many outstanding canditates holding their hands up who'd I'd have, and it would be risky to have a punt on an English coach at the present time.
irocfan said:
JRM said:
Anyone but Eddie - only the RFU would hire a coach with a worse win percentage than the current one and call it progress!
I get the impression one lucky win in RWC and the RFU all swoon - there's no hope, especially if he brings Borthwick with him!!
you'll be lining up Faz for the job then? I get the impression one lucky win in RWC and the RFU all swoon - there's no hope, especially if he brings Borthwick with him!!
JRM said:
irocfan said:
JRM said:
Anyone but Eddie - only the RFU would hire a coach with a worse win percentage than the current one and call it progress!
I get the impression one lucky win in RWC and the RFU all swoon - there's no hope, especially if he brings Borthwick with him!!
you'll be lining up Faz for the job then? I get the impression one lucky win in RWC and the RFU all swoon - there's no hope, especially if he brings Borthwick with him!!
irocfan said:
JRM said:
irocfan said:
JRM said:
Anyone but Eddie - only the RFU would hire a coach with a worse win percentage than the current one and call it progress!
I get the impression one lucky win in RWC and the RFU all swoon - there's no hope, especially if he brings Borthwick with him!!
you'll be lining up Faz for the job then? I get the impression one lucky win in RWC and the RFU all swoon - there's no hope, especially if he brings Borthwick with him!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/intern...
JRM said:
irocfan said:
JRM said:
irocfan said:
JRM said:
Anyone but Eddie - only the RFU would hire a coach with a worse win percentage than the current one and call it progress!
I get the impression one lucky win in RWC and the RFU all swoon - there's no hope, especially if he brings Borthwick with him!!
you'll be lining up Faz for the job then? I get the impression one lucky win in RWC and the RFU all swoon - there's no hope, especially if he brings Borthwick with him!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/intern...
All I want is someone who can sort out the back row so that they compete at the breakdown, and make sure that the rest of the team know that they need to get in position to provide breakdown support. That to me is where we've struggled, I don't care if we play tight or expansively when we can't force a turnover and keep losing the ball when we shouldn't at the breakdown.
DocJock said:
So it's official. Eddie Jones appointed Head Coach.
I'd like to see Borthweick and Edwards in the coaching team next.
No complaints from me with that. I just want rid of Farrell and Catt who've been as much to blame for England's poor performance as much as Burt was for letting Fazz snr rule the roost. I'd like to see Borthweick and Edwards in the coaching team next.
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