The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
KTF said:
Its a 'challenging' route with mud, steps and a nasty uphill finish - the pace plot is more of an indication than the elevation graph.
https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1030407...
If you are after trail shoes then the Salomon Speedcross is the weapon of choice. Many online places start shifting last years models around this time of year so, if you are not too worried about being seen in this seasons colour, there are some bargains to be had. I got mine from Amazon of all places.
Do you have a sensor on your shoe for cadence or does do some pedometer type tracking to time steps?https://connect.garmin.com/modern/activity/1030407...
If you are after trail shoes then the Salomon Speedcross is the weapon of choice. Many online places start shifting last years models around this time of year so, if you are not too worried about being seen in this seasons colour, there are some bargains to be had. I got mine from Amazon of all places.
Sadly the ones I've worn through are Speedcross 3, great grip and comfortable but really annoyed that they seem to rub a bit on my right heel, no blisters but worn a hole in the lining. Went through my previous trail shoes in the same place, and my road shoes have just developed a hole in the same place
RizzoTheRat said:
Do you have a sensor on your shoe for cadence or does do some pedometer type tracking to time steps?
Sadly the ones I've worn through are Speedcross 3, great grip and comfortable but really annoyed that they seem to rub a bit on my right heel, no blisters but worn a hole in the lining. Went through my previous trail shoes in the same place, and my road shoes have just developed a hole in the same place
I dont have a sensor on my shoe as the garmin 230 works this out itself (am not exactly sure how). When I have compared the watch to manually counting the steps then calculating the cadence myself the numbers are similar so it seems accurate enough. 180ish is the magic number I believe so I am not far off that.Sadly the ones I've worn through are Speedcross 3, great grip and comfortable but really annoyed that they seem to rub a bit on my right heel, no blisters but worn a hole in the lining. Went through my previous trail shoes in the same place, and my road shoes have just developed a hole in the same place
Does your shoe move a bit around that part of your heel as it does seem a strange place for it to wear? Do you use the lace lock holes in the road shoes to hold your foot in place or not?
KTF said:
If you are after trail shoes then the Salomon Speedcross is the weapon of choice. Many online places start shifting last years models around this time of year so, if you are not too worried about being seen in this seasons colour, there are some bargains to be had. I got mine from Amazon of all places.
I love my Speedcross 3s but I'd also recommend looking at SpeedFlyte 2 as well for less muddy trails as they are less aggressive with the tread pattern and marginally less lethal on smooth wet surfaces...Tycho said:
KTF said:
If you are after trail shoes then the Salomon Speedcross is the weapon of choice. Many online places start shifting last years models around this time of year so, if you are not too worried about being seen in this seasons colour, there are some bargains to be had. I got mine from Amazon of all places.
I love my Speedcross 3s but I'd also recommend looking at SpeedFlyte 2 as well for less muddy trails as they are less aggressive with the tread pattern and marginally less lethal on smooth wet surfaces...RizzoTheRat said:
I've never had a problem with the Speedcross on hard surfaces, I shot past a far quicker mate on a downhill wet tarmac section of a XC who reckoned he was struggling to stay on his feet wearing Inov-8 Mudclaws, but on really soft stuff I think he had more grip than my Speedcross.
Mudclaws are arguably one of (if not the) stickiest shoes on mud. I've got a pair and a pair of SC3's - the former are a recent addition and are meant to compliment the SC3's being lighter, more aggressive in mud and with a lower drop. But if anyone sees a pair of SC3's for the £50 mark I'd appreciate a quick shout - after 600km mine might need replacement soon.I can't fault the SC3's. But as with everything footwear related - individual fit is everything.
Thunderhead said:
Im struggling with this, Im quite short and clearly not physically a runner, as I find it extremely difficult, but Im doing what I can and have been running for nearly a month now.
The worrying thing is that Im tragically slow and unfit. To read people are going for 6 minute miles is insane, and then they keep going for miles, I cant get my head around that. I struggle to do 10 minute miles for 3 miles, and Im quite light and lean so only have about 11 stone to move around.
I must be doing something wrong as Im not really making much in the way of improvements either. Id say if I pushed to the point of being shattered I could do 8 min miles for 3 miles, and Ive not yet run over 3 miles. I am 43 though, and havent really bothered with running before, so maybe Ive left it too late to make anything of this running lark.
Not bad at cycling and used to be a good swimmer, but the ease of being able to go running is really appealing, Im just perplexed that I am so very very bad at doing it.
I try to run 2 - 3 times a week, and so far am sticking to between 2 - 3 miles. Should I try something different like less distance more speed and build from there? change my running technique? give up and spend more time watching TV?
Frustrating stuff.
Don't compare your times to those running 6 min miles just concentrate on your own times.The worrying thing is that Im tragically slow and unfit. To read people are going for 6 minute miles is insane, and then they keep going for miles, I cant get my head around that. I struggle to do 10 minute miles for 3 miles, and Im quite light and lean so only have about 11 stone to move around.
I must be doing something wrong as Im not really making much in the way of improvements either. Id say if I pushed to the point of being shattered I could do 8 min miles for 3 miles, and Ive not yet run over 3 miles. I am 43 though, and havent really bothered with running before, so maybe Ive left it too late to make anything of this running lark.
Not bad at cycling and used to be a good swimmer, but the ease of being able to go running is really appealing, Im just perplexed that I am so very very bad at doing it.
I try to run 2 - 3 times a week, and so far am sticking to between 2 - 3 miles. Should I try something different like less distance more speed and build from there? change my running technique? give up and spend more time watching TV?
Frustrating stuff.
In some ways i wish i never started using strava in jan i was happy to just go out and run purely to train for a half and finish it , however now i get really pissy if i go slower than 8.40 min miles on road and slower than 9.30 off road and in some ways it's damaging.
Try entering a 10k or half marathon then forget about speed and just following a programme and get your kick from seeing the mileage go up.
The same way you struggle to run i'm a fat runner yet could go all day doing 10 min miles but put me on a bike or in a pool and i really struggle.
egor110 said:
Thunderhead said:
Im struggling with this, Im quite short and clearly not physically a runner, as I find it extremely difficult, but Im doing what I can and have been running for nearly a month now.
The worrying thing is that Im tragically slow and unfit. To read people are going for 6 minute miles is insane, and then they keep going for miles, I cant get my head around that. I struggle to do 10 minute miles for 3 miles, and Im quite light and lean so only have about 11 stone to move around.
I must be doing something wrong as Im not really making much in the way of improvements either. Id say if I pushed to the point of being shattered I could do 8 min miles for 3 miles, and Ive not yet run over 3 miles. I am 43 though, and havent really bothered with running before, so maybe Ive left it too late to make anything of this running lark.
Not bad at cycling and used to be a good swimmer, but the ease of being able to go running is really appealing, Im just perplexed that I am so very very bad at doing it.
I try to run 2 - 3 times a week, and so far am sticking to between 2 - 3 miles. Should I try something different like less distance more speed and build from there? change my running technique? give up and spend more time watching TV?
Frustrating stuff.
Don't compare your times to those running 6 min miles just concentrate on your own times.The worrying thing is that Im tragically slow and unfit. To read people are going for 6 minute miles is insane, and then they keep going for miles, I cant get my head around that. I struggle to do 10 minute miles for 3 miles, and Im quite light and lean so only have about 11 stone to move around.
I must be doing something wrong as Im not really making much in the way of improvements either. Id say if I pushed to the point of being shattered I could do 8 min miles for 3 miles, and Ive not yet run over 3 miles. I am 43 though, and havent really bothered with running before, so maybe Ive left it too late to make anything of this running lark.
Not bad at cycling and used to be a good swimmer, but the ease of being able to go running is really appealing, Im just perplexed that I am so very very bad at doing it.
I try to run 2 - 3 times a week, and so far am sticking to between 2 - 3 miles. Should I try something different like less distance more speed and build from there? change my running technique? give up and spend more time watching TV?
Frustrating stuff.
In some ways i wish i never started using strava in jan i was happy to just go out and run purely to train for a half and finish it , however now i get really pissy if i go slower than 8.40 min miles on road and slower than 9.30 off road and in some ways it's damaging.
Try entering a 10k or half marathon then forget about speed and just following a programme and get your kick from seeing the mileage go up.
The same way you struggle to run i'm a fat runner yet could go all day doing 10 min miles but put me on a bike or in a pool and i really struggle.
i'm not on strava etc, as i just like running for me - i do wear a GPS watch though - and i'm not saying pace isn't important, as i do enjoy running rather than jogging, but it's not the be all and end all - at all.
if you're just looking at pace, you're not enjoying your running, so that makes it harder to keep it up.
if you try and run at a faster pace than you are able to, early on, the very best you can expect is an unenjoyable run. you're like to injure yourself and this would set the whole process back.
so stick to your 2-3x weekly runs, at your pace and work up gradually.
don't give up
SpydieNut said:
egor110 said:
Thunderhead said:
Im struggling with this, Im quite short and clearly not physically a runner, as I find it extremely difficult, but Im doing what I can and have been running for nearly a month now.
The worrying thing is that Im tragically slow and unfit. To read people are going for 6 minute miles is insane, and then they keep going for miles, I cant get my head around that. I struggle to do 10 minute miles for 3 miles, and Im quite light and lean so only have about 11 stone to move around.
I must be doing something wrong as Im not really making much in the way of improvements either. Id say if I pushed to the point of being shattered I could do 8 min miles for 3 miles, and Ive not yet run over 3 miles. I am 43 though, and havent really bothered with running before, so maybe Ive left it too late to make anything of this running lark.
Not bad at cycling and used to be a good swimmer, but the ease of being able to go running is really appealing, Im just perplexed that I am so very very bad at doing it.
I try to run 2 - 3 times a week, and so far am sticking to between 2 - 3 miles. Should I try something different like less distance more speed and build from there? change my running technique? give up and spend more time watching TV?
Frustrating stuff.
Don't compare your times to those running 6 min miles just concentrate on your own times.The worrying thing is that Im tragically slow and unfit. To read people are going for 6 minute miles is insane, and then they keep going for miles, I cant get my head around that. I struggle to do 10 minute miles for 3 miles, and Im quite light and lean so only have about 11 stone to move around.
I must be doing something wrong as Im not really making much in the way of improvements either. Id say if I pushed to the point of being shattered I could do 8 min miles for 3 miles, and Ive not yet run over 3 miles. I am 43 though, and havent really bothered with running before, so maybe Ive left it too late to make anything of this running lark.
Not bad at cycling and used to be a good swimmer, but the ease of being able to go running is really appealing, Im just perplexed that I am so very very bad at doing it.
I try to run 2 - 3 times a week, and so far am sticking to between 2 - 3 miles. Should I try something different like less distance more speed and build from there? change my running technique? give up and spend more time watching TV?
Frustrating stuff.
In some ways i wish i never started using strava in jan i was happy to just go out and run purely to train for a half and finish it , however now i get really pissy if i go slower than 8.40 min miles on road and slower than 9.30 off road and in some ways it's damaging.
Try entering a 10k or half marathon then forget about speed and just following a programme and get your kick from seeing the mileage go up.
The same way you struggle to run i'm a fat runner yet could go all day doing 10 min miles but put me on a bike or in a pool and i really struggle.
i'm not on strava etc, as i just like running for me - i do wear a GPS watch though - and i'm not saying pace isn't important, as i do enjoy running rather than jogging, but it's not the be all and end all - at all.
if you're just looking at pace, you're not enjoying your running, so that makes it harder to keep it up.
if you try and run at a faster pace than you are able to, early on, the very best you can expect is an unenjoyable run. you're like to injure yourself and this would set the whole process back.
so stick to your 2-3x weekly runs, at your pace and work up gradually.
don't give up
It may also be worth switching to 1 short or/& fartlek, 1 mid and 1 long run a week, to improve stamina and pace, and of course to mix things up a bit.
Cybertronian said:
It's my local race - I've had friends positive split the race with mixed results. Some have gone out too hard from the start and had nothing left for the hill. Others went out too conservatively and could have gone a touch faster, even factoring in the hill.
At about mile 10, you enter a downhill stretch into a tunnel before climbing on the other side to get out. The hill is pretty long, though the steepest part is at the bottom near the church. It flattens out briefly in the middle for maybe 50m before climbing again.
Cheers-I've taken a look at Strava at people's runs on the course and it looks like 6 min runners are slowing to a 6:20-6:30 mile up the hill then kicking on at the top, still getting around 1:18 or so.At about mile 10, you enter a downhill stretch into a tunnel before climbing on the other side to get out. The hill is pretty long, though the steepest part is at the bottom near the church. It flattens out briefly in the middle for maybe 50m before climbing again.
Seems like aiming in at 6-flat pace into the bottom which should give me a 2 min cushion (over 6:06 pace for 1:20 dead) into the bottom of the hill is the way to go.
If I'm feeling particularly masochistic I might try a session on a local trail that rises constantly away from the town, I could do my 10-12min reps up that to get my hill strength up, as well as regular hill reps.
Had a nice swim session this morning-then I'll head out with my girlfriend for her couch to 13.1 session. She's doing the Birmingham run too-as her first HM-and it's nice for me to do my easy runs with her.
Foliage said:
SpydieNut said:
egor110 said:
Thunderhead said:
Im struggling with this, Im quite short and clearly not physically a runner, as I find it extremely difficult, but Im doing what I can and have been running for nearly a month now.
The worrying thing is that Im tragically slow and unfit. To read people are going for 6 minute miles is insane, and then they keep going for miles, I cant get my head around that. I struggle to do 10 minute miles for 3 miles, and Im quite light and lean so only have about 11 stone to move around.
I must be doing something wrong as Im not really making much in the way of improvements either. Id say if I pushed to the point of being shattered I could do 8 min miles for 3 miles, and Ive not yet run over 3 miles. I am 43 though, and havent really bothered with running before, so maybe Ive left it too late to make anything of this running lark.
Not bad at cycling and used to be a good swimmer, but the ease of being able to go running is really appealing, Im just perplexed that I am so very very bad at doing it.
I try to run 2 - 3 times a week, and so far am sticking to between 2 - 3 miles. Should I try something different like less distance more speed and build from there? change my running technique? give up and spend more time watching TV?
Frustrating stuff.
Don't compare your times to those running 6 min miles just concentrate on your own times.The worrying thing is that Im tragically slow and unfit. To read people are going for 6 minute miles is insane, and then they keep going for miles, I cant get my head around that. I struggle to do 10 minute miles for 3 miles, and Im quite light and lean so only have about 11 stone to move around.
I must be doing something wrong as Im not really making much in the way of improvements either. Id say if I pushed to the point of being shattered I could do 8 min miles for 3 miles, and Ive not yet run over 3 miles. I am 43 though, and havent really bothered with running before, so maybe Ive left it too late to make anything of this running lark.
Not bad at cycling and used to be a good swimmer, but the ease of being able to go running is really appealing, Im just perplexed that I am so very very bad at doing it.
I try to run 2 - 3 times a week, and so far am sticking to between 2 - 3 miles. Should I try something different like less distance more speed and build from there? change my running technique? give up and spend more time watching TV?
Frustrating stuff.
In some ways i wish i never started using strava in jan i was happy to just go out and run purely to train for a half and finish it , however now i get really pissy if i go slower than 8.40 min miles on road and slower than 9.30 off road and in some ways it's damaging.
Try entering a 10k or half marathon then forget about speed and just following a programme and get your kick from seeing the mileage go up.
The same way you struggle to run i'm a fat runner yet could go all day doing 10 min miles but put me on a bike or in a pool and i really struggle.
i'm not on strava etc, as i just like running for me - i do wear a GPS watch though - and i'm not saying pace isn't important, as i do enjoy running rather than jogging, but it's not the be all and end all - at all.
if you're just looking at pace, you're not enjoying your running, so that makes it harder to keep it up.
if you try and run at a faster pace than you are able to, early on, the very best you can expect is an unenjoyable run. you're like to injure yourself and this would set the whole process back.
so stick to your 2-3x weekly runs, at your pace and work up gradually.
don't give up
It may also be worth switching to 1 short or/& fartlek, 1 mid and 1 long run a week, to improve stamina and pace, and of course to mix things up a bit.
Even better a coastal path run , some of them are so hilly you can forget about your strava , i did part of the sw coast path down the lizard in cornwall and you actually had to climb up/down parts of it on all 4's.
Agree with that. It's not massively hilly but this is my run commute home, nice scenery and a lot of short hills through the dunes, it definitely helps 
It's also nice to cool my feet off a bit on the last km
It's also nice to cool my feet off a bit on the last km
Edited by RizzoTheRat on Friday 12th August 15:35
The jiffle king said:
Anyone see the new womens 10k WR ....29:17
Pretty impressive , looking forwards to the drug test results though.IF she's clean then how the hell does the rest of the world go about trying to beat her? a lot of the other runners beat there own pb's today but we're left standing.
Aye, her second half would have broken the 5,000m Olympic record as well.
Had that front-runner not gone off at a mad pace, I'm not sure we would have seen the world record fall or 19 different runners bang out PBs in the process. The same happened in 2012 with David Rudisha setting a blisteringly fast pace and towing everybody along with him. Seeing as she's never been caught doping previously, I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt... However, looking at the previous 1993 world record that was from a doper, only 5 other women have run under 30 minutes before - I'm not sure I can fully believe what I saw earlier this afternoon...
Had that front-runner not gone off at a mad pace, I'm not sure we would have seen the world record fall or 19 different runners bang out PBs in the process. The same happened in 2012 with David Rudisha setting a blisteringly fast pace and towing everybody along with him. Seeing as she's never been caught doping previously, I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt... However, looking at the previous 1993 world record that was from a doper, only 5 other women have run under 30 minutes before - I'm not sure I can fully believe what I saw earlier this afternoon...
Cybertronian said:
Aye, her second half would have broken the 5,000m Olympic record as well.
Had that front-runner not gone off at a mad pace, I'm not sure we would have seen the world record fall or 19 different runners bang out PBs in the process. The same happened in 2012 with David Rudisha setting a blisteringly fast pace and towing everybody along with him. Seeing as she's never been caught doping previously, I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt... However, looking at the previous 1993 world record that was from a doper, only 5 other women have run under 30 minutes before - I'm not sure I can fully believe what I saw earlier this afternoon...
I'm struggling with it as is a lot of social media. It's an incredible record and seems way beyond what has been done before. Hope she is not dopingHad that front-runner not gone off at a mad pace, I'm not sure we would have seen the world record fall or 19 different runners bang out PBs in the process. The same happened in 2012 with David Rudisha setting a blisteringly fast pace and towing everybody along with him. Seeing as she's never been caught doping previously, I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt... However, looking at the previous 1993 world record that was from a doper, only 5 other women have run under 30 minutes before - I'm not sure I can fully believe what I saw earlier this afternoon...
The jiffle king said:
Cybertronian said:
Aye, her second half would have broken the 5,000m Olympic record as well.
Had that front-runner not gone off at a mad pace, I'm not sure we would have seen the world record fall or 19 different runners bang out PBs in the process. The same happened in 2012 with David Rudisha setting a blisteringly fast pace and towing everybody along with him. Seeing as she's never been caught doping previously, I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt... However, looking at the previous 1993 world record that was from a doper, only 5 other women have run under 30 minutes before - I'm not sure I can fully believe what I saw earlier this afternoon...
I'm struggling with it as is a lot of social media. It's an incredible record and seems way beyond what has been done before. Hope she is not dopingHad that front-runner not gone off at a mad pace, I'm not sure we would have seen the world record fall or 19 different runners bang out PBs in the process. The same happened in 2012 with David Rudisha setting a blisteringly fast pace and towing everybody along with him. Seeing as she's never been caught doping previously, I'd like to give her the benefit of the doubt... However, looking at the previous 1993 world record that was from a doper, only 5 other women have run under 30 minutes before - I'm not sure I can fully believe what I saw earlier this afternoon...
I'd normally not be suspicious but for me the way she took off when they were already under WR pace set alarm bells going.
Overall I'm not sure what to think?
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 12th August 18:56
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