The Running Thread Vol 2

[fiatpower]

Any idea on what day the results of the ballot will be emailed out?

May be running 3 marathons next year if successful. Hoping for the London marathon, already booked onto the Birmingham marathon and I'm looking at running the Reykjavik marathon too.

[Rich_W]

fiatpower said:

Any idea on what day the results of the ballot will be emailed out?

May be running 3 marathons next year if successful. Hoping for the London marathon, already booked onto the Birmingham marathon and I'm looking at running the Reykjavik marathon too.

Their own site says the rather vague "Beginning of October" So probably this week.

[egor110]

Sw coast trail race for me today.

17.5 miles although that ended up 19.5.

Awesome views however they need to rethink having different start and finish points as it seems beyond the organisers.

The organisers booked us onto a 10.15 bus which turned up a hour late,then the drivers needed there break so it was 1 before we actually got to the start point.

[markh1973]

fiatpower said:

Any idea on what day the results of the ballot will be emailed out?

May be running 3 marathons next year if successful. Hoping for the London marathon, already booked onto the Birmingham marathon and I'm looking at running the Reykjavik marathon too.

I thought I saw something that referred to 18 October but can't remember if that was on an email or Facebook or I have made it up.

First 6 or so months of next year look like this so far:

Winter Tanners 30 miles - Jan
Steyning Stinger marathon - early March
Jurassic Coast Challenge - 3 marathons in 3 days - late March
London ??
Race to the King - late June
Race to the Stones - mid July

Have a place in Brighton too but screwed up and will be in the Lakes on holiday.

[Halb]

Anyone use Nike air max 2016 or air max plus running shoes?

[egor110]

markh1973 said:

I thought I saw something that referred to 18 October but can't remember if that was on an email or Facebook or I have made it up.

First 6 or so months of next year look like this so far:

Winter Tanners 30 miles - Jan
Steyning Stinger marathon - early March
Jurassic Coast Challenge - 3 marathons in 3 days - late March
London ??
Race to the King - late June
Race to the Stones - mid July

Have a place in Brighton too but screwed up and will be in the Lakes on holiday.

How do you go about training for 3 marathons in 3 days especially when there also off road?

[Tycho]

egor110 said:

markh1973 said:

I thought I saw something that referred to 18 October but can't remember if that was on an email or Facebook or I have made it up.

First 6 or so months of next year look like this so far:

Winter Tanners 30 miles - Jan
Steyning Stinger marathon - early March
Jurassic Coast Challenge - 3 marathons in 3 days - late March
London ??
Race to the King - late June
Race to the Stones - mid July

Have a place in Brighton too but screwed up and will be in the Lakes on holiday.

How do you go about training for 3 marathons in 3 days especially when there also off road?

I cannot imagine doing 3 in 3 days. I did 2 trail marathons in a week a couple of weeks ago and managed it by complete rest in between, a massage and acupuncture session and loads of refuelling. I felt ok at the start of the 2nd race but as the race went on I realized that I wasn't any where near recovered and just managed to slog the 2nd one out in 5:15:00. The Jurassic coast is brutal and the Purbeck marathon has 3500ft ascent which is the area that the Jurassic Coast Challenge finishes in. Fair play to anyone who finishes it and the scenery is amazing.

[markh1973]

Tycho said:

egor110 said:

markh1973 said:

I thought I saw something that referred to 18 October but can't remember if that was on an email or Facebook or I have made it up.

First 6 or so months of next year look like this so far:

Winter Tanners 30 miles - Jan
Steyning Stinger marathon - early March
Jurassic Coast Challenge - 3 marathons in 3 days - late March
London ??
Race to the King - late June
Race to the Stones - mid July

Have a place in Brighton too but screwed up and will be in the Lakes on holiday.

How do you go about training for 3 marathons in 3 days especially when there also off road?

I cannot imagine doing 3 in 3 days. I did 2 trail marathons in a week a couple of weeks ago and managed it by complete rest in between, a massage and acupuncture session and loads of refuelling. I felt ok at the start of the 2nd race but as the race went on I realized that I wasn't any where near recovered and just managed to slog the 2nd one out in 5:15:00. The Jurassic coast is brutal and the Purbeck marathon has 3500ft ascent which is the area that the Jurassic Coast Challenge finishes in. Fair play to anyone who finishes it and the scenery is amazing.

It's all about applying a different mindset - not worrying about time but simply keep moving. Walk the hills, take on fuel at the pit stops etc.

Did the two day Race to the Stones option this year. 50 km first day in 6:33 and then up again to do the same again on the Sunday but this time in 5:56.

Training is essentially time on feet. You then aim for one weekend when you do the race distance but over four days - so this year over the Easter weekend I did 105km in 4 days - finished with a 12 mile speed session on track.

Will also be doing most of those races with friends so it becomes a sociable day out too.

Have bought some carbon walking poles to carry for JCC.

[andy_s]

There's a great piece on The West Highland Way Race on BBC's (iPlayer) Adventure Show; I was support running my wife that year so just the last half for me - one I'd love to do as it's very familiar ground and a great atmosphere. There is a first half 55 miler (The Fling) and a second half 45miler (the Devil) race as well for anyone interested. Doing all 3 in one year is 'the triple crown' which needs a good combination of luck, fitness and consistency.

[johnwilliams77]

andy_s said:

There's a great piece on The West Highland Way Race on BBC's (iPlayer) Adventure Show; I was support running my wife that year so just the last half for me - one I'd love to do as it's very familiar ground and a great atmosphere. There is a first half 55 miler (The Fling) and a second half 45miler (the Devil) race as well for anyone interested. Doing all 3 in one year is 'the triple crown' which needs a good combination of luck, fitness and consistency.

And absolute madness!

[Tycho]

markh1973 said:

It's all about applying a different mindset - not worrying about time but simply keep moving. Walk the hills, take on fuel at the pit stops etc.

Did the two day Race to the Stones option this year. 50 km first day in 6:33 and then up again to do the same again on the Sunday but this time in 5:56.

Training is essentially time on feet. You then aim for one weekend when you do the race distance but over four days - so this year over the Easter weekend I did 105km in 4 days - finished with a 12 mile speed session on track.

Will also be doing most of those races with friends so it becomes a sociable day out too.

Have bought some carbon walking poles to carry for JCC.

Thanks for the explanation. How much difference do the poles make? There were a few people on the Purbeck who were using them.

[AbzST64]

andy_s said:

There's a great piece on The West Highland Way Race on BBC's (iPlayer) Adventure Show; I was support running my wife that year so just the last half for me - one I'd love to do as it's very familiar ground and a great atmosphere. There is a first half 55 miler (The Fling) and a second half 45miler (the Devil) race as well for anyone interested. Doing all 3 in one year is 'the triple crown' which needs a good combination of luck, fitness and consistency.

Have signed up to do the Fling next year...it's goes to a ballot so will await my fate soon!

[Smitters]

Tycho said:

Thanks for the explanation. How much difference do the poles make? There were a few people on the Purbeck who were using them.

On the ups you can push with your arms, on the downs you can save your knees. They're invaluable IMHO. Unless you're seriously saving weight, or a flyweight front runner, I think they have a place in any ultra-bag.

[Tycho]

Smitters said:

Tycho said:

Thanks for the explanation. How much difference do the poles make? There were a few people on the Purbeck who were using them.

On the ups you can push with your arms, on the downs you can save your knees. They're invaluable IMHO. Unless you're seriously saving weight, or a flyweight front runner, I think they have a place in any ultra-bag.

Cheers

[Smitters]

Tycho said:

Cheers

No worries - worth practising with of course, and thinking about whether you use running poles or more traditional walking poles. Couple of downsides are if you're switching from running to walking often, you either have to stow them on the go, stop and pop them in your bag, then stop to retrieve them a lot, or run with them in your hands (my preferred solution - hold them in the middle of the pole and trot along, as I don't have fancy-pants collapsible running poles). They can also blister your hands if used a lot, but practice toughens any bit of the hand (or in my case, between thumb and first finger) that rubs a bit when hot and sweaty.

[tenohfive]

Smitters said:

On the ups you can push with your arms, on the downs you can save your knees. They're invaluable IMHO. Unless you're seriously saving weight, or a flyweight front runner, I think they have a place in any ultra-bag.

I've toyed with poles before (I've got a 158g pair for bivvying with) but have never taken them running. On the uphills I'm happy using my hands on knees in the traditional fell runners 'race walking,' technique. I've seen the benefit of poles for downhills when loaded up heavily and walking but with my longer runs (and walks for that matter) being over fairly gnarly terrain - boulder hopping etc - I've not been convinced they're the right tool for the job.

In the spirit of experimentation it's at the back of my mind to give them a go on a hilly run with good trails though eventually.

[Smitters]

tenohfive said:

I've toyed with poles before (I've got a 158g pair for bivvying with) but have never taken them running. On the uphills I'm happy using my hands on knees in the traditional fell runners 'race walking,' technique. I've seen the benefit of poles for downhills when loaded up heavily and walking but with my longer runs (and walks for that matter) being over fairly gnarly terrain - boulder hopping etc - I've not been convinced they're the right tool for the job.

In the spirit of experimentation it's at the back of my mind to give them a go on a hilly run with good trails though eventually.

Fair point. I have a bad lower back, so the fellrunner lean does me no favours, especially if I have a bag on. For me they come into their own on slopes which are too steep or long to run (most for me!). Again, for me I tend to take steep downs slowly, so the poles take the hammering off my quads, especially on big coast-path steps.

You're dead right when it comes to boulder hopping though. I tried just lifting them behind me but this quickly tired my wrist and also meant I had a pole in each hand if I fell. Holding them horizontally, in the middle of the pole improved things and I could chuck them if I started to fall, but its still a faff. I've mostly used them on long coast path stuff, so steep, or run hiking in the Alps with long ups and long downs. Sometimes it paid to stop and stow them, others I just ran with them, desperately trying to hold on to the heels of the guide!

[markh1973]

Smitters said:

Tycho said:

Cheers

No worries - worth practising with of course, and thinking about whether you use running poles or more traditional walking poles. Couple of downsides are if you're switching from running to walking often, you either have to stow them on the go, stop and pop them in your bag, then stop to retrieve them a lot, or run with them in your hands (my preferred solution - hold them in the middle of the pole and trot along, as I don't have fancy-pants collapsible running poles). They can also blister your hands if used a lot, but practice toughens any bit of the hand (or in my case, between thumb and first finger) that rubs a bit when hot and sweaty.

I confess to buying collapsible carbon ones - not actually used them in anger yet

[egor110]

My race last week was my 1st proper coastal trail race, I normally run in the quantocks and in comparison there like motorways with tree roots to avoid


When you get tight narrow trails on cliff edges do you try and jump the boulders or just land on them and push off?

My technique seemed to involve throwing myself over them

[The jiffle king]

Needed 4 light weeks of running as I had plantar fasciitis. Started last week with some easy runs, then Saturday 6:15am, I ran out of the estate I live on and met a guy doing a 20 mile run. He ran a &:22 first mile and me a 7:32 first mile but that also included well over 100ft of vertical climb and so we chatted for a bit and ran together at 6:30ish pace. I let him go at 4 miles and ran home.... He completed the 20 miles with no water at 6:22/mile pace. He had a marathon PB (PR) of 2:35 and was aiming for better than that, likely a 2:27 ish

Hoping to run with him at the weekend and do a bit of tempo, but not the easiest way to come back from an injury.