The Running Thread Vol 2
Discussion
Jimboka said:
FreeLitres said:
A question for you runners: Do you use any protein suppliments?
I'm new to running and I'm currently taking a recovery-themed whey suppliment after each run to heklp reduce soreness etc.
Is this a waste of time?
I'd say that any supplements are a waste of time . Normal balanced diet & plenty of water fuelled the running greats!I'm new to running and I'm currently taking a recovery-themed whey suppliment after each run to heklp reduce soreness etc.
Is this a waste of time?
Whilst I agree that you can get all you need from a balanced diet, the shakes are an easy way of getting it in your system. After a run would you prefer to have a milkshake or a few tins of tuna, raw eggs, chicken, etc to achieve the same result.
Does it make a difference, probably in your head more than anything.
Talk to me about hydration.
I'm doing a half marathon in april , i used to run in the mid 90's where i could do a 10k in 39mins and a half in 1.29.
I never used to bother much with energy drinks etc as my training runs were mostly under a hour, now i'm pretty much bang on 9 min miles so my training runs are taking longer.
Should i start taking a camelback out with me if im out longer than a hour and what do i drink , water,squash,flat coke or energy drink type thing.
All info gratefully recieved.
I'm doing a half marathon in april , i used to run in the mid 90's where i could do a 10k in 39mins and a half in 1.29.
I never used to bother much with energy drinks etc as my training runs were mostly under a hour, now i'm pretty much bang on 9 min miles so my training runs are taking longer.
Should i start taking a camelback out with me if im out longer than a hour and what do i drink , water,squash,flat coke or energy drink type thing.
All info gratefully recieved.
Personal taste really. For runs up to about 8 miles I don't bother with a drink. However over that I tend to take a small water bottle.
For long slow, I don't bother with anything except water. However if it is a faster run, then half flat lemonade half water.
If you take gels for energy, then just stick to water.
Camelbak is probably over kill, but does mean you can keep running, whereas I tend to take a 2 minute break to drink at about 60% distance or my half way mark.
For my long training runs for marathons, then I would take a litre in the camel. But slightly weather dependant, through the winter, I barely drink half that.
I've just done 14 miles round RIchmond park and took a 500ml bottle of sport drink with me (frucose based), i wish i hadn't , i felt it unbalanced me and i didn't even feel that thirsty. I ditched it halfway.
protien drinks:
I use high-5 protien recovery after runs and myprotien after gym sessions. It stops me from stuffing my face with crap that day after when i just massively hungry. My legs are maybe a little less sore the day after but that could just be a mental thing. I found that using just myprotien after runs wasn't doing the business. I need the carbs in the high-5 stuff.
protien drinks:
I use high-5 protien recovery after runs and myprotien after gym sessions. It stops me from stuffing my face with crap that day after when i just massively hungry. My legs are maybe a little less sore the day after but that could just be a mental thing. I found that using just myprotien after runs wasn't doing the business. I need the carbs in the high-5 stuff.
I messed around with gels/energy drinks and eventually settled on separating calories and fluids.
I use energy gels (although only during races, my training runs aren't long enough to justify them) and on the longer training runs (over an hour) I'll take something to drink, but it'll either be just water or some sugarfree juice with a High5Zero electrolyte tab chucked in. No more than 400ml in a soft bottle for me. Personally I think the electrolytes are overkill (maybe make more sense in 25C summertime heat) but I just like the slight fizziness they give. And whilst it's entirely psychological - there's almost no calories in the drink - it feels like an energy hit.
And on the protein supplement front I doubt it makes the blindest bit of difference at the sort of level most amateur runners are at but I used to take a protein bar with me for the post run walk off. I figured it was instant protein hit and I liked the taste of the bars. It was just the price of the things that stopped me; next time I'm training for something big I might go back to them though on the off chance that instant protein hit does aid muscle recovery in any meaningful way. If it doesn't then it's only money I've lost. Probably just settle for yoghurt a high-protein meal/snack at home instead though.
I use energy gels (although only during races, my training runs aren't long enough to justify them) and on the longer training runs (over an hour) I'll take something to drink, but it'll either be just water or some sugarfree juice with a High5Zero electrolyte tab chucked in. No more than 400ml in a soft bottle for me. Personally I think the electrolytes are overkill (maybe make more sense in 25C summertime heat) but I just like the slight fizziness they give. And whilst it's entirely psychological - there's almost no calories in the drink - it feels like an energy hit.
And on the protein supplement front I doubt it makes the blindest bit of difference at the sort of level most amateur runners are at but I used to take a protein bar with me for the post run walk off. I figured it was instant protein hit and I liked the taste of the bars. It was just the price of the things that stopped me; next time I'm training for something big I might go back to them though on the off chance that instant protein hit does aid muscle recovery in any meaningful way. If it doesn't then it's only money I've lost. Probably just settle for yoghurt a high-protein meal/snack at home instead though.
Edited by tenohfive on Sunday 28th February 19:07
egor110 said:
Talk to me about hydration.
I'm doing a half marathon in april , i used to run in the mid 90's where i could do a 10k in 39mins and a half in 1.29.
I never used to bother much with energy drinks etc as my training runs were mostly under a hour, now i'm pretty much bang on 9 min miles so my training runs are taking longer.
Should i start taking a camelback out with me if im out longer than a hour and what do i drink , water,squash,flat coke or energy drink type thing.
All info gratefully recieved.
for 7+ miles I take a belt with me with small bottles. From 3 miles onwards, every mile I take a few sips of water with a gel/bar at 5, 10, 15.I'm doing a half marathon in april , i used to run in the mid 90's where i could do a 10k in 39mins and a half in 1.29.
I never used to bother much with energy drinks etc as my training runs were mostly under a hour, now i'm pretty much bang on 9 min miles so my training runs are taking longer.
Should i start taking a camelback out with me if im out longer than a hour and what do i drink , water,squash,flat coke or energy drink type thing.
All info gratefully recieved.
Overkill maybe but that works for me. I prefer bars to gels as many gels ruin my insides. The bottles on the belt cover me to 15 miles or so. Any more and I take a water bottle with a sports top, drink that first then bin it on the way round.
I find that one of these squishy silicone bottles is very useful for 1hr+ runs. It holds enough to keep you going and when empty folds up so you can stick it in your pocket
http://www.amazon.co.uk/More-Mile-Sports-Handheld-...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/More-Mile-Sports-Handheld-...
Rouleur said:
I find that one of these squishy silicone bottles is very useful for 1hr+ runs. It holds enough to keep you going and when empty folds up so you can stick it in your pocket
http://www.amazon.co.uk/More-Mile-Sports-Handheld-...
This is useful for >1hr training but for events surely it would be easier for me to grab a drink at a station?http://www.amazon.co.uk/More-Mile-Sports-Handheld-...
SpydieNut said:
Heading off in a bit to Oulton Park, for the 1/2M. Anyone else from here going ?
It looks like a much nicer day to run it than it was last year - when it was rainy and windy the whole way round
Yep, I did Oulton earlier today. How did you get along?It looks like a much nicer day to run it than it was last year - when it was rainy and windy the whole way round
I don't know what to think of the event itself to be honest. The organising is top notch, loads of toilets, parked within 50yds of the start etc. However, the run was really tedious. I did get a pB with 1:31 though, which I'm well happy with, especially with the sneaky little hills on the course (x6).
Sarkmeister said:
SpydieNut said:
Heading off in a bit to Oulton Park, for the 1/2M. Anyone else from here going ?
It looks like a much nicer day to run it than it was last year - when it was rainy and windy the whole way round
Yep, I did Oulton earlier today. How did you get along?It looks like a much nicer day to run it than it was last year - when it was rainy and windy the whole way round
I don't know what to think of the event itself to be honest. The organising is top notch, loads of toilets, parked within 50yds of the start etc. However, the run was really tedious. I did get a pB with 1:31 though, which I'm well happy with, especially with the sneaky little hills on the course (x6).
hi there and well done 
- I really enjoyed it - managed to take about 9 minutes off last year's time, which I was very pleased with, as it allowed me to get my first sub 1hr 30, with a 1hr 28min 15sec . those sneaky hills do get steeper with each lap 
- my first 4 laps were literally within 6 seconds of each other, but I dropped about 15 secs on my 5th and another 14 secs on my last lap - i was also very glad to see the finish line.I do agree, it's well organised and the crowd support was good. i didn't find it tedious though - but i think when i'm running i tend to lose myself in the running itself and just enjoyed being able to run in only a t-shirt and my tights. I even got to wear my sunglasses
.Managed my first real long run in eight weeks on Sunday. A nice steady ten miles in 95 minutes, just enjoying the feeling of running. A bit sore today, but no niggles, just muscular stiffness, which I take to be a good sign. Hopefully this is me back on track for my half marathon campaign, albeit with lower time expectations.
On the drinking question, I tend to try and up the water levels a bit the day before a run (I run 3x/week), make sure I have some by the bed for the night, and sip pre-run too. I feel hydrated without being full, and can run for up to two hours quite happily. Using this technique I ran a mountainous 25km in 3 1/2 hours on 600ml of water and wasn't particularly dehydrated afterwards, though I obviously had a good drink once I'd finished the run. It's just a habit to prepare for runs really.
ETA - just got my latest shoes through the post. Hoka One One Mafate 4. Low drop to keep the minimalist movement happy. Not at all minimalist. #Footpillow
ETA2 - interesting calf roller technique free pain
On the drinking question, I tend to try and up the water levels a bit the day before a run (I run 3x/week), make sure I have some by the bed for the night, and sip pre-run too. I feel hydrated without being full, and can run for up to two hours quite happily. Using this technique I ran a mountainous 25km in 3 1/2 hours on 600ml of water and wasn't particularly dehydrated afterwards, though I obviously had a good drink once I'd finished the run. It's just a habit to prepare for runs really.
ETA - just got my latest shoes through the post. Hoka One One Mafate 4. Low drop to keep the minimalist movement happy. Not at all minimalist. #Footpillow
ETA2 - interesting calf roller technique free pain
Edited by Smitters on Monday 29th February 15:33
Thanks for the tips earlier in the thread, it seems running with someone else has helped immensely - he wants me to help him run more so we're going out running 5k each week (we both run more separately but that's our usual route together) and I keep trying to drag him along a bit quicker.
Turns out that also drags me along a bit quicker...
Would've been a 5k record too if we ran 100m further down the road (time was 23:00 for 4.9k) so improvements are definitely coming! Just need to transfer them to my solo running and longer distances.
Turns out that also drags me along a bit quicker...
Would've been a 5k record too if we ran 100m further down the road (time was 23:00 for 4.9k) so improvements are definitely coming! Just need to transfer them to my solo running and longer distances.
Maybe I should take notice of the nuitrician lark. Been running over 35 years & never really bothered..
The only rule to date has been, don't have beers the night before a race!
Still getting around Parkruns in just over 19 mins @ 54, 10k sub 40 etc. I'd like to maintain this when 60 so better start to take care of myself!
The only rule to date has been, don't have beers the night before a race!
Still getting around Parkruns in just over 19 mins @ 54, 10k sub 40 etc. I'd like to maintain this when 60 so better start to take care of myself!
Jimboka said:
Maybe I should take notice of the nuitrician lark. Been running over 35 years & never really bothered..
The only rule to date has been, don't have beers the night before a race!
Still getting around Parkruns in just over 19 mins @ 54, 10k sub 40 etc. I'd like to maintain this when 60 so better start to take care of myself!
Very impressive times. I am a new runner but sub 20 + sub 40 is a dream...The only rule to date has been, don't have beers the night before a race!
Still getting around Parkruns in just over 19 mins @ 54, 10k sub 40 etc. I'd like to maintain this when 60 so better start to take care of myself!
johnwilliams77 said:
Jimboka said:
Maybe I should take notice of the nuitrician lark. Been running over 35 years & never really bothered..
The only rule to date has been, don't have beers the night before a race!
Still getting around Parkruns in just over 19 mins @ 54, 10k sub 40 etc. I'd like to maintain this when 60 so better start to take care of myself!
Very impressive times. I am a new runner but sub 20 + sub 40 is a dream...The only rule to date has been, don't have beers the night before a race!
Still getting around Parkruns in just over 19 mins @ 54, 10k sub 40 etc. I'd like to maintain this when 60 so better start to take care of myself!
The hardest part is opening the door & setting off!
Maybe join a club & chase those faster runners..
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