The Golf Thread - 2016!

[Alpinestars]

Rosscow said:

Single length irons are being taken seriously by the bog boys.....

http://www.cobragolf.co.uk/f7-irons

Thoughts?

Very interesting. This'll be a big shake up for golf if it takes off.

[Challo]

DuncanM said:

Rosscow said:

Single length irons are being taken seriously by the bog boys.....

http://www.cobragolf.co.uk/f7-irons

Thoughts?

I'm a big fan of Bryson, Golf needs a shake up, and this makes absolute sense. Especially since no one really uses long irons anymore .

Looks like a few of the golf youtube guys have the clubs and reviews coming soon. Keep an eye out for Mark Crossfield, Rick Shiels and Peter Finch video's on these.

[DuncanM]

This makes no sense to me, why would you have full cavity 8-pw?

[Rosscow]

DuncanM said:

This makes no sense to me, why would you have full cavity 8-pw?

It's all to do with the weight (or lack of).

The long irons have less weight than normal because the shafts have been reduced - therefore they have extra weight put in the club head.

The short irons have more weight because the shafts have been increased - therefore they have weight removed from the club head.

I think it gets quite scientific!

[Challo]

Rosscow said:

DuncanM said:

This makes no sense to me, why would you have full cavity 8-pw?

It's all to do with the weight (or lack of).

The long irons have less weight than normal because the shafts have been reduced - therefore they have extra weight put in the club head.

The short irons have more weight because the shafts have been increased - therefore they have weight removed from the club head.

I think it gets quite scientific!

A review on the Sterling Single Length Club https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU_332Cj2Ng which might help explain.

Its certainly all to the do with the weight and length of clubs and having to change the club head to help counter act the swing path change, speed of club and not impact the distance gaps between the clubs.

[DuncanM]

Rosscow said:

DuncanM said:

This makes no sense to me, why would you have full cavity 8-pw?

It's all to do with the weight (or lack of).

The long irons have less weight than normal because the shafts have been reduced - therefore they have extra weight put in the club head.

The short irons have more weight because the shafts have been increased - therefore they have weight removed from the club head.

I think it gets quite scientific!

But they're trying to make out that it makes sense for golf, when it really doesn't. You don't need cavities from 8-pw, you need them 3-7 at a push.

THe 8-pw would feel horrid, what a shame.

[Rosscow]

DuncanM said:

But they're trying to make out that it makes sense for golf, when it really doesn't. You don't need cavities from 8-pw, you need them 3-7 at a push.

THe 8-pw would feel horrid, what a shame.

Would they? Most sets of irons (unless you use blades) have cavity backs down to PW. Mine certainly do and they're supposed to be for 'better' players (Ping i25).

[DuncanM]

Rosscow said:

DuncanM said:

But they're trying to make out that it makes sense for golf, when it really doesn't. You don't need cavities from 8-pw, you need them 3-7 at a push.

THe 8-pw would feel horrid, what a shame.

Would they? Most sets of irons (unless you use blades) have cavity backs down to PW. Mine certainly do and they're supposed to be for 'better' players (Ping i25).

I don't want to be horrible, but the i25 don't look like 'better player' clubs?

That'd be the iBlades, which look very nice.

IF you haven't tried a forged blade, try one, and you'll know what I mean feel wise.

[Rosscow]

DuncanM said:

Rosscow said:

DuncanM said:

But they're trying to make out that it makes sense for golf, when it really doesn't. You don't need cavities from 8-pw, you need them 3-7 at a push.

THe 8-pw would feel horrid, what a shame.

Would they? Most sets of irons (unless you use blades) have cavity backs down to PW. Mine certainly do and they're supposed to be for 'better' players (Ping i25).

I don't want to be horrible, but the i25 don't look like 'better player' clubs?

That'd be the iBlades, which look very nice.

IF you haven't tried a forged blade, try one, and you'll know what I mean feel wise.

They may not be a forged blade, but they're most certainly not a 'game improving' iron!

The i irons are the i25 replacement. They're not a forged club, but were used on Tour by many Ping pros including Lee Westwood who have now gone over to the i.

In fact, Lee Westwood uses the i irons in 4,5,6,7,8,9,PW and even UW.

The iBlade is the replacement for the outgoing S55, however the iBlade is still a cavity design although the cavity is filled with an 'elastomer.'

[mx5cl]

Rosscow said:

DuncanM said:

Rosscow said:

DuncanM said:

But they're trying to make out that it makes sense for golf, when it really doesn't. You don't need cavities from 8-pw, you need them 3-7 at a push.

THe 8-pw would feel horrid, what a shame.

Would they? Most sets of irons (unless you use blades) have cavity backs down to PW. Mine certainly do and they're supposed to be for 'better' players (Ping i25).

I don't want to be horrible, but the i25 don't look like 'better player' clubs?

That'd be the iBlades, which look very nice.

IF you haven't tried a forged blade, try one, and you'll know what I mean feel wise.

They may not be a forged blade, but they're most certainly not a 'game improving' iron!

The i irons are the i25 replacement. They're not a forged club, but were used on Tour by many Ping pros including Lee Westwood who have now gone over to the i.

In fact, Lee Westwood uses the i irons in 4,5,6,7,8,9,PW and even UW.

The iBlade is the replacement for the outgoing S55, however the iBlade is still a cavity design although the cavity is filled with an 'elastomer.'

The age old cast v forged debate! IMO there is so much more to a perception of feel than whether the club head has been cast or forged, its more down to how the materials are used. You rarely hear people complaining about the feel of a vokey wedge for example - a cast club!

In the past 18 months i've gone from a forged "better players club" (hate the term - play what works!!!) in a callaway x-forged to ping i15's (a prior model to i25, which were used by pro's including Jamie Donaldson who did quite well at a small competition in Gleneagles in 2014!!) and in the past month i've switched to ping iblades and glide wedges. The head size of all of these are pretty much identical, the only real cosmetic difference is the lack of a ferrule and width of the sole on the i15 (its a little bit wider than the others) and perhaps the amount of offset in the 3 and 4 irons.

I was fitted for my iblades and wedges at the ping HQ in Gainsborough (fantastic experience, i'd recommend it for the minimal cost) and can confirm the iblades do feel very nice, in fact they feel every bit as good as my old forged callaways (and vokeys) and the other current forged clubs I tried out when deciding what to go for.

Be interesting to see if those single length irons take off and they end up being offered by more mainstream manufacturers, as it seems to be inspired mainly by Cobra sponsoring Dechambeau.

[DuncanM]

mx5cl said:

Rosscow said:

DuncanM said:

Rosscow said:

DuncanM said:

But they're trying to make out that it makes sense for golf, when it really doesn't. You don't need cavities from 8-pw, you need them 3-7 at a push.

THe 8-pw would feel horrid, what a shame.

Would they? Most sets of irons (unless you use blades) have cavity backs down to PW. Mine certainly do and they're supposed to be for 'better' players (Ping i25).

I don't want to be horrible, but the i25 don't look like 'better player' clubs?

That'd be the iBlades, which look very nice.

IF you haven't tried a forged blade, try one, and you'll know what I mean feel wise.

They may not be a forged blade, but they're most certainly not a 'game improving' iron!

The i irons are the i25 replacement. They're not a forged club, but were used on Tour by many Ping pros including Lee Westwood who have now gone over to the i.

In fact, Lee Westwood uses the i irons in 4,5,6,7,8,9,PW and even UW.

The iBlade is the replacement for the outgoing S55, however the iBlade is still a cavity design although the cavity is filled with an 'elastomer.'

The age old cast v forged debate! IMO there is so much more to a perception of feel than whether the club head has been cast or forged, its more down to how the materials are used. You rarely hear people complaining about the feel of a vokey wedge for example - a cast club!

In the past 18 months i've gone from a forged "better players club" (hate the term - play what works!!!) in a callaway x-forged to ping i15's (a prior model to i25, which were used by pro's including Jamie Donaldson who did quite well at a small competition in Gleneagles in 2014!!) and in the past month i've switched to ping iblades and glide wedges. The head size of all of these are pretty much identical, the only real cosmetic difference is the lack of a ferrule and width of the sole on the i15 (its a little bit wider than the others) and perhaps the amount of offset in the 3 and 4 irons.

I was fitted for my iblades and wedges at the ping HQ in Gainsborough (fantastic experience, i'd recommend it for the minimal cost) and can confirm the iblades do feel very nice, in fact they feel every bit as good as my old forged callaways (and vokeys) and the other current forged clubs I tried out when deciding what to go for.

Be interesting to see if those single length irons take off and they end up being offered by more mainstream manufacturers, as it seems to be inspired mainly by Cobra sponsoring Dechambeau.

You Ping fans, and ya fakin shovels

Only joking, everyone needs to play what is right for them, and the iblade is one of the nicest irons I've seen for a long time! Would definitely 'game' them.

Rosscow, sorry for being a barsteward, but the i25 is definitely spade-esque compared to the iblade, which I'd say is the playa's club.

Please don't mention Westwood, he loves a spade! Ping had to beg him to drop his old Ping Eye 2's, with massive bounce

[Rosscow]

DuncanM said:

You Ping fans, and ya fakin shovels

Only joking, everyone needs to play what is right for them, and the iblade is one of the nicest irons I've seen for a long time! Would definitely 'game' them.

Rosscow, sorry for being a barsteward, but the i25 is definitely spade-esque compared to the iblade, which I'd say is the playa's club.

Please don't mention Westwood, he loves a spade! Ping had to beg him to drop his old Ping Eye 2's, with massive bounce

Here's the outgoing S55 blade, the new iBlade and the i



And here's the i and the i25. Not much difference at all between the two.



And if they're good enough for Westy, they're more club than I'll ever need!!!

[DuncanM]

Rosscow said:

Here's the outgoing S55 blade, the new iBlade and the i



And here's the i and the i25. Not much difference at all between the two.



And if they're good enough for Westy, they're more club than I'll ever need!!!

I read a review of them just after posting, they sound pretty good clubs to be fair.

How has your season been so far?

[mx5cl]

DuncanM said:

playa's club

I'm pleased we're using the term properly now!!!

Isn't it time to do a whats in the bag?!

[Rosscow]

DuncanM said:

I read a review of them just after posting, they sound pretty good clubs to be fair.

How has your season been so far?

Pretty poor to be fair, mate. Not played enough really (once a week) and definitely not practised enough!

Have gone up from 15.4 to 16.2 (missing buffer zone on 5 occasions by one shot..... argh!!).

Went through a fairly big change in posture about 8 weeks ago which I think is showing some benefits now, but my tee shots are still my Achilles heel. Short game is good.

You?

[DuncanM]

Rosscow said:

DuncanM said:

I read a review of them just after posting, they sound pretty good clubs to be fair.

How has your season been so far?

Pretty poor to be fair, mate. Not played enough really (once a week) and definitely not practised enough!

Have gone up from 15.4 to 16.2 (missing buffer zone on 5 occasions by one shot..... argh!!).

Went through a fairly big change in posture about 8 weeks ago which I think is showing some benefits now, but my tee shots are still my Achilles heel. Short game is good.

You?

Nevermind mate, sure you'll get back to it

Me? I am permanently injured now, meaning I've only played 3 times this year, and likely will play 5 or 6 each year in a buggy

Shot 83 89 and erm 95 ish

[Rosscow]

mx5cl said:

I'm pleased we're using the term properly now!!!

Isn't it time to do a whats in the bag?!

Here's mine!

Ping G30 driver, 9 degrees (adjusted to 10), stock stiff shaft
Ping G25 3 wood, 15 degrees, stock stiff shaft
Ping G25 hybrid, 20 degrees, stock stiff shaft
Ping i25 4-PW, Ping CFS stiff shafts, 1/2" long, 2 degrees up
Scor Golf 50, 55 & 60 degree wedges, stiff KBS Tour 120g Genius shafts, 1/2" long, 2 degrees up
SnakeEyes 7802 Tour Platinum putter with 1.18" WinnPro X grip

All clubs (apart from putter) have 3 wraps of tape and Golf Pride MCCPlus4 grips, in blue.

[HaplessBoyLard]

Rosscow said:

Ping i25 4-PW, Ping CFS stiff shafts, 1/2" long, 2 degrees up

How tall are you? That's the same setup as my Titleist AP1 irons, and I'm 6'5".

I appreciate height isn't the only consideration, but there aren't many people I meet that have clubs longer than standard.

[Rosscow]

HaplessBoyLard said:

Rosscow said:

Ping i25 4-PW, Ping CFS stiff shafts, 1/2" long, 2 degrees up

How tall are you? That's the same setup as my Titleist AP1 irons, and I'm 6'5".

I appreciate height isn't the only consideration, but there aren't many people I meet that have clubs longer than standard.

Hey HBL, I'm 6'2".

I'm surprised you only have an extra 1/2", there's someone at my club who is 6'4" and he was fitted at the national Mizuno centre and he has an extra 1" on his irons!

[HaplessBoyLard]

Rosscow said:

Hey HBL, I'm 6'2".

I'm surprised you only have an extra 1/2", there's someone at my club who is 6'4" and he was fitted at the national Mizuno centre and he has an extra 1" on his irons!

My previous irons were 1" longer, but they weren't properly fit. Just an American Golf "you'll need an extra inch" affair.

I got properly fitted for my more recent clubs and the fitter said Titleist don't like doing more than about 1/2" longer. How true this is, I don't know.

I guess the length of your arms will have a big impact, which is why ping measure wrist to floor. I've got relatively short legs and quite long arms and body. If that were the other way round, in theory I'd need longer clubs for the same posture.