The Golf Thread - 2016!
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JamesNotJim said:
Not to rain on your parade Rosscow... But i'd have waited till the new year. Ping will be announcing there new i iron (a S55/IE1 style iron) in Jan/Feb. Glad I held out now, was only a phone call away from ordering some IE1's.
Don't worry, it's fine! Although the i Blade has only just come out? Presume you mean S55 replacement?I haven't ordered any new irons, and doubt I will for at least another 18 months.
And I'm more than happy with the G range for the Hybrids and 3 wood, I got them for a touch over £550 so any brand new product would have been much more expensive!
No iE1 replacements. Apparently called i200 (but we'll wait to see the final release name)
Bit of a love child between S55's and iE1 according to reports. Tried the iblades and as nice at they where. Not worth the extra outlay for what they give me on the course over my current S55's. But if the performance is anything like what the iE1's deliver (+13yrds an iron during fitting!) I'll be knocking pings door down.
Bit of a love child between S55's and iE1 according to reports. Tried the iblades and as nice at they where. Not worth the extra outlay for what they give me on the course over my current S55's. But if the performance is anything like what the iE1's deliver (+13yrds an iron during fitting!) I'll be knocking pings door down.
JamesNotJim said:
No iE1 replacements. Apparently called i200 (but we'll wait to see the final release name)
Bit of a love child between S55's and iE1 according to reports. Tried the iblades and as nice at they where. Not worth the extra outlay for what they give me on the course over my current S55's. But if the performance is anything like what the iE1's deliver (+13yrds an iron during fitting!) I'll be knocking pings door down.
Sound great! Maybe I'll change my i25's for them at the end of next year!Bit of a love child between S55's and iE1 according to reports. Tried the iblades and as nice at they where. Not worth the extra outlay for what they give me on the course over my current S55's. But if the performance is anything like what the iE1's deliver (+13yrds an iron during fitting!) I'll be knocking pings door down.
Rosscow said:
26 degrees. It was on the range, but pitched just before the 200 yard flag. So maybe 190? Having said that I'm quite a long hitter.
I would normally hit my 5 iron around 185 so I wouldn't be surprised if it was longer.
I'll let you know when I play some proper shots.
Sounds like you hit the ball a similar distance to me, so that 5 Hybrid sounds like a bit of a weapon I would normally hit my 5 iron around 185 so I wouldn't be surprised if it was longer.
I'll let you know when I play some proper shots.
For the price as well it sounds like you've dropped on - Congrats sir
bodhi said:
Sounds like you hit the ball a similar distance to me, so that 5 Hybrid sounds like a bit of a weapon
For the price as well it sounds like you've dropped on - Congrats sir
I'm hoping they all are - I can't wait to play with the 3 Stretch. Not allowed until after Christmas day though!For the price as well it sounds like you've dropped on - Congrats sir
Yeah, it just shows how much money they're making. My pro really sorted me out, I know what they cost him and he still made £100 out of me!
If you don't ask, you don't get!!
American Golf have them up for a combined £740 - not including the corded grips which would be extra.
After wanting to lob the driver on wednesday, seems a few little tweaks on the practice ground have finally clicked. Nailing the big stick again (is there anything more rewarding than getting the driver working again?).
+1 gross out and -1 gross back in for 40points. I'll take that every week!
+1 gross out and -1 gross back in for 40points. I'll take that every week!
Just back from a round with a few mates and a question came up that none of actually knew the answer to.
There was one hole where you had to tee off and clear a pond. The pond was literally a few yards in front of the tee box. We played off the yellow tees and one of guys could not clear the pond at all, just didn't have the distance.
What happens in a situation where you can not physically clear a hazard?
There was one hole where you had to tee off and clear a pond. The pond was literally a few yards in front of the tee box. We played off the yellow tees and one of guys could not clear the pond at all, just didn't have the distance.
What happens in a situation where you can not physically clear a hazard?
Noodle1982 said:
Just back from a round with a few mates and a question came up that none of actually knew the answer to.
There was one hole where you had to tee off and clear a pond. The pond was literally a few yards in front of the tee box. We played off the yellow tees and one of guys could not clear the pond at all, just didn't have the distance.
What happens in a situation where you can not physically clear a hazard?
How big was the pond?! There was one hole where you had to tee off and clear a pond. The pond was literally a few yards in front of the tee box. We played off the yellow tees and one of guys could not clear the pond at all, just didn't have the distance.
What happens in a situation where you can not physically clear a hazard?
I've no idea of the actual answer, but was there no route around the pond? In stroke play, i'd guess you just have find a way around it.
Of course, in stableford, match play, or any other system where overall strokes don't matter, you can just pick up and claim no score or concede the hole.
In theory, I suppose you could tee off a few feet, then repeatedly declare the ball unplayable and drop it to the side (not nearer the hole) however many dozens of times you needed to in order to find a path around the lake.
Maybe.
Bit of a toughie, that.
ETA, thought of a better way, assuming the lake is a hazard.
Play the ball into the lake, but in a direction where the ball crosses the margin in a place that, when you drop the ball in-line with the flag, you have then got a route to safety.
You could repeat that process if necessary, so you are in essence tacking around the edge of the lake, until you no longer have to carry it.
Maybe.
Bit of a toughie, that.
ETA, thought of a better way, assuming the lake is a hazard.
Play the ball into the lake, but in a direction where the ball crosses the margin in a place that, when you drop the ball in-line with the flag, you have then got a route to safety.
You could repeat that process if necessary, so you are in essence tacking around the edge of the lake, until you no longer have to carry it.
Edited by SpeckledJim on Sunday 18th December 18:23
Can anyone help me with a rule?
I managed to land in a fairway bunker on Monday and said bunker was full of wet clumpy sand. We all know golf balls don't fly very well with big lumps of mud of sand stuck to them so despite a good hard strike the ball dive bombed as soon as it got airborne. Gladly this was out of the bunker and back on the fairway so ball was marked and clean as per winter rules.
Firstly I'm assuming it was ok to clean it after it was back on the fairway (winter rules declared)
Secondly should I have marked and cleaned it in the bunker? I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed but would be nice if I could.
Lastly is there some other rule I could have used to get out of that situation.
It wasn't in a competition but we try to stick to the rules and are always keen to pick up more of the weird and wonderful rules as my game progresses.
One more thing, does anyone have a good drill to get fully turned through the strike. I quite often finish with my hips still a little stuck and my back foot only half turned.
I managed to land in a fairway bunker on Monday and said bunker was full of wet clumpy sand. We all know golf balls don't fly very well with big lumps of mud of sand stuck to them so despite a good hard strike the ball dive bombed as soon as it got airborne. Gladly this was out of the bunker and back on the fairway so ball was marked and clean as per winter rules.
Firstly I'm assuming it was ok to clean it after it was back on the fairway (winter rules declared)
Secondly should I have marked and cleaned it in the bunker? I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed but would be nice if I could.
Lastly is there some other rule I could have used to get out of that situation.
It wasn't in a competition but we try to stick to the rules and are always keen to pick up more of the weird and wonderful rules as my game progresses.
One more thing, does anyone have a good drill to get fully turned through the strike. I quite often finish with my hips still a little stuck and my back foot only half turned.
Blaster72 said:
Can anyone help me with a rule?
I managed to land in a fairway bunker on Monday and said bunker was full of wet clumpy sand. We all know golf balls don't fly very well with big lumps of mud of sand stuck to them so despite a good hard strike the ball dive bombed as soon as it got airborne. Gladly this was out of the bunker and back on the fairway so ball was marked and clean as per winter rules.
Firstly I'm assuming it was ok to clean it after it was back on the fairway (winter rules declared)
Secondly should I have marked and cleaned it in the bunker? I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed but would be nice if I could.
Lastly is there some other rule I could have used to get out of that situation.
It wasn't in a competition but we try to stick to the rules and are always keen to pick up more of the weird and wonderful rules as my game progresses.
One more thing, does anyone have a good drill to get fully turned through the strike. I quite often finish with my hips still a little stuck and my back foot only half turned.
Apologies for a brief post but am on my phone at the mo, but to answer your questions, there is nothing in the R n A rulebook about Winter Rules, as it is something that is set by the club itself - so a local rule. I managed to land in a fairway bunker on Monday and said bunker was full of wet clumpy sand. We all know golf balls don't fly very well with big lumps of mud of sand stuck to them so despite a good hard strike the ball dive bombed as soon as it got airborne. Gladly this was out of the bunker and back on the fairway so ball was marked and clean as per winter rules.
Firstly I'm assuming it was ok to clean it after it was back on the fairway (winter rules declared)
Secondly should I have marked and cleaned it in the bunker? I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed but would be nice if I could.
Lastly is there some other rule I could have used to get out of that situation.
It wasn't in a competition but we try to stick to the rules and are always keen to pick up more of the weird and wonderful rules as my game progresses.
One more thing, does anyone have a good drill to get fully turned through the strike. I quite often finish with my hips still a little stuck and my back foot only half turned.
Most clubs go with Lift Clean and Place, only thing I've really seen differ is where it is allowed - typically always in thr fairway (they prefer us to tee up or use a mat at ours), occasionally in the rough, but rarely from hazards.
So you were probably ok to clean on the fairway, but not much you could have done out of the bunker, think that was one of those situations you have to take your medicine sadly.
Don't know of any drills sadly, did find a useful training aid (I have the opposite problem), it locks your arms and body together so you got used to them working together, will try to dig it out.
Blaster72 said:
Can anyone help me with a rule?
I managed to land in a fairway bunker on Monday and said bunker was full of wet clumpy sand. We all know golf balls don't fly very well with big lumps of mud of sand stuck to them so despite a good hard strike the ball dive bombed as soon as it got airborne. Gladly this was out of the bunker and back on the fairway so ball was marked and clean as per winter rules.
Firstly I'm assuming it was ok to clean it after it was back on the fairway (winter rules declared)
Secondly should I have marked and cleaned it in the bunker? I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed but would be nice if I could.
Lastly is there some other rule I could have used to get out of that situation.
It wasn't in a competition but we try to stick to the rules and are always keen to pick up more of the weird and wonderful rules as my game progresses.
One more thing, does anyone have a good drill to get fully turned through the strike. I quite often finish with my hips still a little stuck and my back foot only half turned.
Lift, clean and place on fairways is fine. Not in bunkers though. I managed to land in a fairway bunker on Monday and said bunker was full of wet clumpy sand. We all know golf balls don't fly very well with big lumps of mud of sand stuck to them so despite a good hard strike the ball dive bombed as soon as it got airborne. Gladly this was out of the bunker and back on the fairway so ball was marked and clean as per winter rules.
Firstly I'm assuming it was ok to clean it after it was back on the fairway (winter rules declared)
Secondly should I have marked and cleaned it in the bunker? I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed but would be nice if I could.
Lastly is there some other rule I could have used to get out of that situation.
It wasn't in a competition but we try to stick to the rules and are always keen to pick up more of the weird and wonderful rules as my game progresses.
One more thing, does anyone have a good drill to get fully turned through the strike. I quite often finish with my hips still a little stuck and my back foot only half turned.
The only thing you get relief from in bunkers is standing water. If the ball is in standing water, or you're stood in it with your normal stance, you can drop for full relief in the bunker (full relief = ball and feet clear of the water). If you can't achieve full relief (fnarr) you drop outside the bunker with 1 shot penalty.
If it's just wet sand, then it's tough.
Hips... I don't have a drill, but make sure you're not sliding your hips too much laterally.
To prove my point... Take your normal stance, then slide your hips all the way to the left (or right if you're left handed) without rotating them at all. Go as far as you can.
Now try to rotate them. You won't be able to.
Now take your normal stance, and without sliding your hips laterally, rotate your lead hip up and around. You should naturally find that the trail heel starts to pull off the floor as the trail hip turns.
This guy talks a lot of b
ks about lag in the golf swing, and other ideas, but this video illustrates what I'm talking about. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G6lwvkJ_LD4
Agree with the above.
However, if you really didn't fancy the bunker shot you could have deemed it unplayable and taken a drop under the penalty of one stroke.
This would mean that you could either play it from where you played your original shot, or drop it in the bunker (which would give you a better lie and a clean ball).
Drop no closer to the hole within 2 club lengths or as far back as you like (in this case remaining in the bunker) on a straight line from the hole to where the ball lay and where the ball is dropped.
However, if you really didn't fancy the bunker shot you could have deemed it unplayable and taken a drop under the penalty of one stroke.
This would mean that you could either play it from where you played your original shot, or drop it in the bunker (which would give you a better lie and a clean ball).
Drop no closer to the hole within 2 club lengths or as far back as you like (in this case remaining in the bunker) on a straight line from the hole to where the ball lay and where the ball is dropped.
Brilliant, thanks for all the help. Looks like there wasn't really a way out as even deeming it unplayable wouldn't have gained me anything.
I really hadn't appreciated just how much difference having a clean ball makes but it makes sense really they don't fly if they're not clean.
Thanks again, I just need to stop being a bunker magnet and all will be good.
I really hadn't appreciated just how much difference having a clean ball makes but it makes sense really they don't fly if they're not clean.
Thanks again, I just need to stop being a bunker magnet and all will be good.
Blaster72 said:
Can anyone help
I quite often finish with my hips still a little stuck and my back foot only half turned.
Are you DEFINITELY bending your knees? If not bend them.I quite often finish with my hips still a little stuck and my back foot only half turned.
If you are then here's a drill:
Take a PW, hold it in your left hand by the club head with the head pointing down, slowly start your backswing until completion keep your arm VERY loose then power your hips through until your belt buckle faces the direction of intended ball flight, the club will naturally 'swoosh' through its arc on just the hip rotation alone.
Do this before every game as part of your warm up, start gently and gradually increase. Imagine powering off of your back foot and transferring your weight forwards.
All this is assuming you're right handed
A wee spot of advice please folks. I will set the scene - I previously had a Titleist 909D2 9.5 degree with Aldila VooDoo stiff shaft which I hit well, but could be wild with on occasions. My swing speed is on that borderline between requiring a stiff and regular at mid 90's mph.
Fast forward to now, I have acquired a 913D2 with 10.5 loft (de-lofted via the shaft to 9.75), and am using a light-ish Aldila Rogue regular shaft. Am far, far more comfortable with it, can swing easier, the strike is far sweeter as a consequence and the clubhead feel is immeasurably improved - when I went back to the 909 it was like swinging a lamp post!
However - I have lost a bit of distance and I feel the ball flight is a touch too high. Given that shafts these days seem to be designed to get the ball in the air, I have now managed to get my mitts on an 8.5 degree 913 to use with the shaft(s) I have. My theory being the lesser loft will counteract the tendency of the shaft to hit the ball high. Are my theory and practice correct? I have three shafts to switch between as an experiment - the aforementioned Aldila, a Diamana 50R and a Mitsubishi Bassara 55R.
Fast forward to now, I have acquired a 913D2 with 10.5 loft (de-lofted via the shaft to 9.75), and am using a light-ish Aldila Rogue regular shaft. Am far, far more comfortable with it, can swing easier, the strike is far sweeter as a consequence and the clubhead feel is immeasurably improved - when I went back to the 909 it was like swinging a lamp post!
However - I have lost a bit of distance and I feel the ball flight is a touch too high. Given that shafts these days seem to be designed to get the ball in the air, I have now managed to get my mitts on an 8.5 degree 913 to use with the shaft(s) I have. My theory being the lesser loft will counteract the tendency of the shaft to hit the ball high. Are my theory and practice correct? I have three shafts to switch between as an experiment - the aforementioned Aldila, a Diamana 50R and a Mitsubishi Bassara 55R.
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