Jiu Jitsu discussion / complete beginner!

Jiu Jitsu discussion / complete beginner!

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Pete102

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2,045 posts

186 months

Thursday 26th May 2016
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Afternoon Everyone,

Sorry for the lack of updates over the past week, I was on holiday in NYC. Originally I had every intention of training while I was out there - even finding and emailing a couple of clubs up front.

As events transpired it just didn't happen, I was either too tired or we had something on which was originally unplanned but nevermind. I arrived back in the UK yesterday morning and attended a session at lunch time covering part of the split series side control i.e. shin over bicep, head control into a kimura or shin wiper into controlling the arm and kimura from there (for less compliant people!).

Back to the gym last night for my second session of the day. A return to takedown from a headlocked position and arm bar from mount. Incidentally this was my first session covering arm bar - nice to finally do!

Finished up with a bit of a roll with one of the newer guys (2 months or so behind me) which I enjoyed since a) he was smaller than my usual partner and b) I was able to practice my technique a littler more rather than concentrate on not getting mauled by my usual heavier partner!

Back on the mats Friday then off until Wednesday (bank holidays etc!). Out for now!


Pete102

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2,045 posts

186 months

Saturday 28th May 2016
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Small update for Fridays session. Clinch into rear takedown followed by elevator sweep variations - stage 1 punch block (for those not familar as I think its a GU specific thing its basically guard with the opponent arm pinned against your ribs and head hooked) and second variation opponent headlocking me and trying to base up/drive forward.

Finished up with a roll, felt good, spent alot of time holding side control and half guard. Managed to pass full guard quite a few times. Attempted to go for some of the split series stuff I'd learnt but wasn't to be, I think my mistake was not tiring my opponent out sufficiently to get the arm in position.

Hope you've all had plenty of mat time!

Pete

ben_h100

1,546 posts

179 months

Wednesday 1st June 2016
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Without wanting to derail this thread (finding it v interesting as a complete newbie), can anyone recommend a decent Jiu Jitsu club in central London? A mate of mine who has done it for years has advised me to go for a Gracie gym - some googling brings up Gracie Barra near Tower Bridge - worth a shot?

I went to a few classes years ago but now at 30yo really want to start properly and try and stick at it.

Thanks in advance.

ben_h100

1,546 posts

179 months

Thursday 2nd June 2016
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Without wanting to derail this thread (finding it v interesting as a complete newbie), can anyone recommend a decent Jiu Jitsu club in central London? A mate of mine who has done it for years has advised me to go for a Gracie gym - some googling brings up Gracie Barra near Tower Bridge - worth a shot?

I went to a few classes years ago but now at 30yo really want to start properly and try and stick at it.

Thanks in advance.

Pete102

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2,045 posts

186 months

Thursday 2nd June 2016
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Hi Ben,

It's not derailing at all, this is more of a general thread rather than just my random mumbling smile

London I believe you have quite the selection. Gracie Barra clubs you cant really go too far wrong with, big UK presence, solid lineage (Braulo & Victor Estima are leading figures) and they have some very, very good black belts - My friend is one of them (world class competitor). If you travel for work around the UK you're usually not too far from a Barra club either, unless you live where I do!

Failing the Barra club, if you travel to the outskirts you have Roger Gracie which I also hear comes highly recommended.

Go for it, I started this year (age 30) - wish I had done it years ago.

Last nights class was elbow-escape-tastic. full 45 minutes of drilling. First official time I have covered it in a class but I had picked up some of the technique previously when rolling from higher belts (and used it occasionally).

As usual, finished up with a roll against a 4-stripe white belt (I think he's going for his Blue promotion in the coming weeks). Half expected to get mullered and very nearly happened when he caught me with a collar choke within 30 seconds....it was deep as well but I managed to hang on long enough for him to think it wasn't working and release. Spent the majority of the roll in his half guard, he couldn't escape and I couldn't pass or successfully sub. The annoying aspect is as soon as we finished I remembered a move I could of done to switch sides, free my trapped leg and move into full side control. Next time.

Back on the mats friday, also hoping to make the Sunday night session. Must admit to feeling a little tired this week as I am trying to shed some weight (currently up at 107.5kg, want to be <100kg) so back on the low carb wagon as I've used this before and it works for me. Its weigh-in tomorrow so I'll see what the first week results are.


ben_h100

1,546 posts

179 months

Thursday 2nd June 2016
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Thanks for the quick response - have already emailed them to arrange a beginner session..!

Pete102

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2,045 posts

186 months

Thursday 2nd June 2016
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Awesome! Make sure you post back here after your first session, I'd love to hear your experiences and how they compare to mine as a newbie.

For some of the other guys on this thread I'd be interested to hear what you think of Gracie University. I've read quite a bit of arguments for and against, my own personal experience has been positive given that my school follows the GU program (combatives, mastercycle, reflex dev etc.) but I'm actively taught (not via online videos) and my instructors are also Black Belt Judo so I find the techniques are augmented with additional movements and modifiers to make them workable in a comp/street scenario.

At this stage of my 'journey' I certainly don't feel it has put me at a disadvantage so far, this is on the basis of training/rolling at a couple of other schools with other students.



FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Thursday 2nd June 2016
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^ It's happened with all Martial Arts, the commercialism, they all follow a similar trajectory, the awe, the reverence to the "Masters", the competition to other martial arts, the commercialisation, the supposed loss of the "art". Of course if you do something full time and dedicate your life to it you need to earn a living at it and the bottom line is it's very hard to make a living doing something other people are prepared to do for a share of the mat fee. The creation of a syllabus and a grading criteria in any and all martial arts is a complete nonsense really, the whole idea of belts is a commercial idea although it can help motivate people - but frankly if you're not motivated for the enjoyment or the challenge then find another hobby!

It's all a lot of nonsense. If you go giving out Brown Belts online then don't be surprised if the standard and quality of the practice suffers, BJJ will reach critical mass, as an Art and a sport as will MMA.

ben5575

6,262 posts

221 months

Thursday 2nd June 2016
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Now there's a post! wink

Of course it's all nonsense. I was recently rereading Four Shades of Black and reflecting on just how ridiculous it is to actually repeatedly hit a Makiwara to 'train' your knuckles/wrists to create the perfect 'iron fist'. I suppose that it's important to some people but when you stand back and look at it, it's as stupid as kicking a ball round a pitch, pursuing a career or whatever.

I like Rory Miller's take on martial arts as being like buying a set of spanners and becoming expert at unscrewing nuts then being presented by an engine and not having a clue what to do with all the tools you've just learned how to use.

Anyhow that's all very cynical. Ben, curve ball for you. Why not try 10th Planet? We have far cooler names for the techniques and there's only four clubs in the uk so we are far more exclusive and elite whistlehehewink I hear good things about Diesel Gym, but might be local/central enough for you??

Pete102

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2,045 posts

186 months

Friday 3rd June 2016
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Brill replies, thanks guys.

At the moment I'm of the opinion that if you're happy and enjoying your training and it fits your needs then so be it. I'm fully aware that in order to obtain a well-rounded skill set training at different clubs, gi and no-gi will be required. I read a great post yesterday about the competition nature of Barra compared to the street nature of Gracie - in a real world application I'm under no illusion both would stand you in good stead over nothing at all!

Promotion via online assessment is certainly a contentious point. Its not something I have any experience of, or would want any experience of, but if it gets people interested in the art then I suppose that's a positive aspect. Personally I much prefer the mat time with an instructor and active rolling with other guys. My only choice to go with Gracie at the minute is that's all is available in my small town (of which I consider myself lucky to have on my door step), it just so happens the instructors are great and have a solid Judo background as well (black belts).

Anyhow, back on the mats tonight, no idea what the class is but looking forward to it. Also happened to be weigh in day, 107.5kg down to 105kg (5.5lb for the old school). Important to note this is my first week eating clean/low carb so a healthy proportion of that is probably water and down to limiting my sugary carb intake.

Target weight is <95kg over 12 weeks or so.


ben5575

6,262 posts

221 months

Friday 3rd June 2016
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Good luck with the weight loss.

For 99p on kindle, this is a good book by the nutritionist I use: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00HZMF1J6/ref...

If you're interested in a more personalised plan, have a look at his website: http://www.unorthodox-nutrition.com/

Pete102

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2,045 posts

186 months

Friday 3rd June 2016
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Thanks for the links Ben, i'll take a look. Unfortunately I'm the worst type of fitness guy, I know exactly what I should and shouldn't eat but choose to eat it anyway lol. On the plus side I've lost alot of weight previously going down the LCHF route and I know it works for me and my body, I don't profess to it working for everyone though.

In the coming week I'll be ramping up the cardio, my current gym regime is heavily weights based, lots of bench presses, deadlifts, squats etc. For a bigger guy I move quite well (6ft). Losing the weight shouldn't be too much of an issue and it would be nice not to be in the super heavy cat.

Pete102

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2,045 posts

186 months

Wednesday 8th June 2016
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Well then...not sure if any of you have seen the latest out of Gracie HQ, it would appear big changes to the syllabus and ranking system are coming, influenced largely due to Rickson's involvement if sources are to be believed.

For those that haven't seen the changes, basically the 'Online' blue belt promotion has now been canned (positive move) and there is now a shift towards further learning before students can be considered for blue belt promotion. The previous system allowed students who had completed the 'Combatives' course (36 lessons x 3 cycles plus 12 'Reflex Development' classes) to go for blue belt - this process typically took 9 - 12 months.

Once blue belt had been achieved students were eligible to attend 'Mastercycle' classes which concentrated on more advanced techniques i.e. leg attacks and defense against subs.

The new structure requires students to complete Combatives plus 6 - 12 months of Mastercycle before blue belt promotion, a massive step in upping the overall competency of white belts, in my opinion.

The downside to all this? The introduction of a Combatives belt (white with a blue stripe) - not entirely sure this is needed but I guess it monetizes the move somewhat. I will more than likely choose to retain my white straight through.

It will be interesting to see the effect this has on competing white belts, I would hazard a guess that a Gracie white belt, ready for promotion to blue will be quite skilled having the equivalent of 18 - 24 months of training behind them. All in all a positive step from my perspective, the general feeling around forums/groups is positive and should alleviate some of the hating/bhing about the current process.

Edit to add, blue belt promotion must be earned through live sparring / demonstration to senior instructor(s).

Pete102

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186 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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Bit quiet in here at the minute chaps, nudge nudge!

Had a very tough session last Wednesday consisting of the standard Combatives covering body fold takedown and arm bar from guard / arm bar from guard into triangle choke if they slip the arm. My instructor then invited me to stay for the Mastercycle class which went into advanced throws (lots of Judoka in there, I was definitely the nail!), onto elbow lock/Kimura from the underhook in guard. Finished up with takedown sparring (2 x 5 minute rounds) and 4 x 5 minute ground rolling.

This was the night I was invited by my instructor to roll. It didn't end well. It seemed that anything and everything I did resulted in a submission (on me obviously). It didn't help having rolled/sparred at least 4 times previously either! (that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it!).

On the plus side of things, I rolled with a blue belt shortly after and I reckon if I'd have been fresh I'd have done very well (as it happened he got me in a mounted triangle although I spent a lot of time in side control, even taking the back at one point).

More training this weekend, fundamentals class while I'm in London and then Sunday night back at my club for another couple of hours. According to my training card I'm 4 - 5 sessions away from my first stripe (assuming my instructor is happy with me!)

Tony Angelino

1,971 posts

113 months

Friday 10th June 2016
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Been on with syllabus work at our club, next grading will be in a couple of months so we will start to concentrate on that side of things in the coming weeks. This week’s session was focusing on escapes from grabs, moving into counters. Typically we would put a ‘sickner’ in to distract the opponent and take their focus away from the point of attack (kick to gonads or pressure point inside thigh for example) and then move into the counter. Could be something like a wrist lock, takedown or attack to a kyusho.

Did some interesting (Painful) stuff round the throat as well as the usual strikes to the forearm and bicep. Really feel it after one of those sessions. Sensei basically teaches though in the unlikely event of having to use something like this, go straight for the throat, so effective. We did a few drills and when you are the attacker grabbing say the arm of the other student, even when they go for your throat for some unknown reason you hold onto their arm even tighter – making it worse. Even when you are consciously trying not to keep hold of them you can’t help but do it. It’s really weird how you are programmed to not let go of somebody, even though you are basically hurting yourself by doing so.

Pete102

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2,045 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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Today marks the 3 month point of my BJJ 'journey' (sorry) and I feel it would be good to provide a summary so far.

It's been quite an intense 3 months consisting of somewhere near 31 hours on my home club mats, 4 hours at a club in China, 4 hours Ryron Gracie Seminar and also an hour at a club in London - Total approximate hours = 40.

Considering I started with absolutely no knowledge of BJJ, its techniques or customs it's developed into an obsession, thinking about techniques and moves most of the day, when my next session will be and at times rearranging plans to ensure I can train 2 - 3 times per week (sorry wife!).

Naturally there has been up's and down's, good sessions and really bad sessions. Some days just clicked, some days it was a wonder I managed to dress myself let alone coordinate techniques which generally left/leaves me feeling very frustrated. One aspect I've found a lot of love for is rolling. As I understand some people like it, some people don't but I make a point of rolling after every session and it's become an integral part of my training. I feel I'm on the right track here, able to submit fresh meat, hold my own with 4 stripe white belts and give some of the new blue's a run for their money (but eventually be submitted), for note I was absolutely smashed by a 2 stripe purple last week lol.

I'm getting to the point that I'd like to enter some comps in the next 3 months, see how I get on and go from there. In terms of progress I should be looking at my first stripe in the next few weeks (assuming its awarded, I don't mind either way to be honest).

Anyway, thanks for everyone's input so far, it's very much appreciated and here's to the next 3 months.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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Talk to your teachers about competing and what they advise but the BJJ247 Open events are usually good, I was going to recommend the Blackpool one but it looks like it's not in the tower ballroom this year which is a shame because it's a great venue... (also if you're in London it's a bit of a trek).

http://www.bjj247.com/event/blackpool/

Pete102

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2,045 posts

186 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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Thanks for the tip Fred. I'll speak to my instructors and get some input.

I think there are plans for our club to hold a local comp which could be good as an introduction just not sure when it will be.

In other news, my daughter starts a formal Rock Climbing course on Saturday which means I have 3 hours to kill (10 - 1) on a saturday morning. Lucky for me the local MMA club runs BJJ classes 1130 - 1230, more mat time and it fits around what would be wasted time. winner.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Tuesday 14th June 2016
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Pete102 said:
Thanks for the tip Fred. I'll speak to my instructors and get some input.

I think there are plans for our club to hold a local comp which could be good as an introduction just not sure when it will be.

In other news, my daughter starts a formal Rock Climbing course on Saturday which means I have 3 hours to kill (10 - 1) on a saturday morning. Lucky for me the local MMA club runs BJJ classes 1130 - 1230, more mat time and it fits around what would be wasted time. winner.
Cool, my daughter rock climbs, cavetaing the proud father nonsense she's actually pretty good at it for an 8 year old, anyway you might want to do that instead, in terms of developing co ordination, balance, grip strength and muscle endurance for grappling I don't think there is much better than bouldering or climbing.

Pete102

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2,045 posts

186 months

Monday 20th June 2016
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It's been a solid week of training since my last post, attending a 3 hour session Wednesday night, 1 hour Friday and another 3 hours last night. I'm feeling a little fragile today if I'm honest!

Wednesday was a mixture of standing guillotine and shrimp escape in side control. The intermediate session was standing throws into butterfly sweep variations finishing up with rolling. I enjoy the intermediate rolling as it usually results in my untimely tapping but I learn loads.

Friday we covered Kimura, I've done this class 2 - 3 times now and I feel really happy with it. Quick roll after class but I was rushing.

Then last night was another big session, movement while on my back, mount prevention and cross sweep into a really cool takedown from rear clinch. I don't know the name of it but its Judo related and looks mega.

Finished up again rolling, tough session but in the bag.