England Test Cricket Thread - Summer 2016

England Test Cricket Thread - Summer 2016

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zygalski

7,759 posts

145 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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This is pointless. They should just declare. What's the point in trying to let Hales, Vince & Ballance get 50's & take us halfway through day 4 with a lead of 600?
Bonkers. wobble

Murph7355

37,714 posts

256 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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FiF said:
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The decision is made now, but if the bowlers had been in the field a long time in extreme conditions and had a real grinding time, or some were carrying minor injuries then could understand, but think I'd have enforced the follow on tbh.
Daft decision. Really, really daft.

Rain was forecast there for last couple of days, so there was going to be time to rest up then if needed.

Really do not understand this decision in the slightest. This could well be a draw snatched from the jaws of victory now. Dumb.

spikeyhead

17,319 posts

197 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Murph7355 said:
FiF said:
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The decision is made now, but if the bowlers had been in the field a long time in extreme conditions and had a real grinding time, or some were carrying minor injuries then could understand, but think I'd have enforced the follow on tbh.
Daft decision. Really, really daft.

Rain was forecast there for last couple of days, so there was going to be time to rest up then if needed.

Really do not understand this decision in the slightest. This could well be a draw snatched from the jaws of victory now. Dumb.
We'll win, nothing can wrong from here.

Sump

5,484 posts

167 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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I wouldn't think so. Pakistan A could very easily turn up. Younis Khan is the type of person to pull out 250 from absolutely nowhere.

Murph7355

37,714 posts

256 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Sump said:
I wouldn't think so. Pakistan A could very easily turn up. Younis Khan is the type of person to pull out 250 from absolutely nowhere.
I'm confident they won't make the run total they need. I'm doubtful they'd have reached our first innings score across two innings tbh.

The bigger problem now is that England have put themselves under a lot of time pressure to get the wickets they need. Pakistan only have to bat defensively and England will have thrown away a cast iron chance at levelling the series. A draw for Pakistan after the first innings will seem like a victory to them.

The only two reasons I can think of for batting are either to rest the bowlers...but then they've been declared fit and only bowled 63 overs thus far...or because we think Pakistan will pile on the runs...

They were 390 behind so how much of a lead could they reasonably have accumulated? They've only achieved that score at OldTrafford twice, and not for 15yrs...

And if we couldn't bowl them out in a day and a half, then what chance will we have in half a day less...

I hope Cook is proved right tomorrow, or he's in for some proper grief.

greygoose

8,261 posts

195 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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I can't understand the decision at all, how can the bowlers be knackered after only 60 overs?

Challo

10,145 posts

155 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Its a very odd choice to bat again. If its to get batsman time in the middle who failed earlier why start with Cook and then Root come in???

Seems bizarre.

RichB

51,572 posts

284 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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greygoose said:
I can't understand the decision at all, how can the bowlers be knackered after only 60 overs?
Indeed very odd. In fact I thought he was overly cautious on Saturday with his declaration. I'd have put Pakistan in at least an hour earlier.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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RichB said:
Indeed very odd. In fact I thought he was overly cautious on Saturday with his declaration. I'd have put Pakistan in at least an hour earlier.
Do you not think that was about giving Root the chance of his 250?

FiF

44,079 posts

251 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Last 10 overs they've been going at 7/over average.

What do you reckon, declare just before lunch?

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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FiF said:
Last 10 overs they've been going at 7/over average.

What do you reckon, declare just before lunch?
I wouldn't even wait that long. 12 tops. Lead will be getting on for 600 then. In fact I'd declare now and get on with it.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

244 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Why are they still batting? Has Cook lost the plot entirely?

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Einion Yrth said:
Why are they still batting? Has Cook lost the plot entirely?
I'll be very disappointed if they stay in just to get centuries.

28th over: England 161-1 (Cook 70, Root 65)

They need to think of the match situation.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

205 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Ah, they've declared.

RichB

51,572 posts

284 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Einion Yrth said:
RichB said:
Indeed very odd. In fact I thought he was overly cautious on Saturday with his declaration. I'd have put Pakistan in at least an hour earlier.
Do you not think that was about giving Root the chance of his 250?
Certainly was but I wouldn't have let him wink

FiF

44,079 posts

251 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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29/2 this is not going to the 5th day is it?

FiF

44,079 posts

251 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Chef! Keep dropping slip catches, no day off for you!

FourWheelDrift

88,517 posts

284 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Root the all-rounder smile

FiF

44,079 posts

251 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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THEY THINK IT'S ALL OVER!

Baron Greenback

6,982 posts

150 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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It is now!