Aviva Premiership 2016/17
Discussion
MEVILAZY said:
Quins....don't know what to say really, went to only my second match this season the other weekend and wasn't impressed, then the result yesterday at home!?! Throughout each game they just seem to completely switch off at times, from the beginning to the end, so tiredness not a factor. A big injury list doesn't help but I don't feel this is the main problem...
The injury list really is massive at the moment... Down at least 3 props, with Adam Jones having now played almost a full game on the wrong side of the scrum twice this season (and was titanic on both occasions!), plus Horwill, Robshaw, Evans and more, but even so, I don't think that's the main problem.The main problem to me is that we're currently stuck with a DOR who has been happy to play second fiddle to at least three previous DORs over the last 15 years he's been at the club. Not only does this show a complete lack of ambition and energy at a personal level - which I would imagine must come through to the team - it also means he's got bugger all experience of any other forms of playing to bring to the club. He's just continuing O'Shea's form of play, despite the fact that he's no O'Shea, and other teams had already been figuring it out anyway.
I really hope we start next season with Cockers as DOR. He'll still be an annoying, cocky, arrogant
, but at least he'd be our annoying, cocky, arrogant !Kermit power said:
I really hope we start next season with Cockers as DOR. He'll still be an annoying, cocky, arrogant , but at least he'd be our annoying, cocky, arrogant !
I suspect that this is wishful thinking given he's likely to be enjoying a massive pay rise to work down in the French Riviera! , but at least he'd be our annoying, cocky, arrogant !James Drake said:
Kermit power said:
I really hope we start next season with Cockers as DOR. He'll still be an annoying, cocky, arrogant , but at least he'd be our annoying, cocky, arrogant !
I suspect that this is wishful thinking given he's likely to be enjoying a massive pay rise to work down in the French Riviera! , but at least he'd be our annoying, cocky, arrogant !Kermit power said:
How long will his ego let him play second fiddle to another ex-English DOR?
Probably depends on how big his pay cheque is / how comfortable he is / how cold the beer is / warm the weather is. Granted though, of all people he's likely to want to prove a point, but I'm sure some stress free time will be enjoyable! Something interesting brewing tonight relating to both Sale and Bristol:
From Neil Fissler (The Rugby Paper): Hearing about a major issue surrounding Bristol vs Sale over Christmas and a player leaking information to opponents. Premier Rugby and RFU have been informed and the player faces a disciplinary hearing tomorrow. I won't name the player until then.
From Neil Fissler (The Rugby Paper): Hearing about a major issue surrounding Bristol vs Sale over Christmas and a player leaking information to opponents. Premier Rugby and RFU have been informed and the player faces a disciplinary hearing tomorrow. I won't name the player until then.
timlongs said:
Something interesting brewing tonight relating to both Sale and Bristol:
From Neil Fissler (The Rugby Paper): Hearing about a major issue surrounding Bristol vs Sale over Christmas and a player leaking information to opponents. Premier Rugby and RFU have been informed and the player faces a disciplinary hearing tomorrow. I won't name the player until then.
named as Tom ArscottFrom Neil Fissler (The Rugby Paper): Hearing about a major issue surrounding Bristol vs Sale over Christmas and a player leaking information to opponents. Premier Rugby and RFU have been informed and the player faces a disciplinary hearing tomorrow. I won't name the player until then.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38645622
irocfan said:
timlongs said:
Something interesting brewing tonight relating to both Sale and Bristol:
From Neil Fissler (The Rugby Paper): Hearing about a major issue surrounding Bristol vs Sale over Christmas and a player leaking information to opponents. Premier Rugby and RFU have been informed and the player faces a disciplinary hearing tomorrow. I won't name the player until then.
named as Tom ArscottFrom Neil Fissler (The Rugby Paper): Hearing about a major issue surrounding Bristol vs Sale over Christmas and a player leaking information to opponents. Premier Rugby and RFU have been informed and the player faces a disciplinary hearing tomorrow. I won't name the player until then.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/38645622
Bristol have confirmed that Tom met up with his brother, Luke, the night before the game. Bristol found out from twitter and were unaware of the complaint, but are confident they received no information.However, Tom's reputation is trashed even if he didn't do anything now.
The Telegraph implying it's related to Sales' use of 13 men line outs. Bristol were so well prepared for this they conceded two trys and a yellow card from two lineouts.
jimKRFC said:
All a bit of a mess this - Sale suspended him on the 4th and submitted their review to the RFU. It was then leaked by Fissler on Monday (the day the RFU got the report).
Bristol have confirmed that Tom met up with his brother, Luke, the night before the game. Bristol found out from twitter and were unaware of the complaint, but are confident they received no information.However, Tom's reputation is trashed even if he didn't do anything now.
The Telegraph implying it's related to Sales' use of 13 men line outs. Bristol were so well prepared for this they conceded two trys and a yellow card from two lineouts.
Sale have now confirmed they have sacked him, can't imagine there are going to be many clubs in the prem who'll want him nowBristol have confirmed that Tom met up with his brother, Luke, the night before the game. Bristol found out from twitter and were unaware of the complaint, but are confident they received no information.However, Tom's reputation is trashed even if he didn't do anything now.
The Telegraph implying it's related to Sales' use of 13 men line outs. Bristol were so well prepared for this they conceded two trys and a yellow card from two lineouts.
Matt172 said:
Sale have now confirmed they have sacked him, can't imagine there are going to be many clubs in the prem who'll want him now
Maybe I'm naive but in what world did he think that this could ever work out well?!?ETA If I were him I'd be trying to find out if there was a place for me at Bristol!
James Drake said:
Matt172 said:
Sale have now confirmed they have sacked him, can't imagine there are going to be many clubs in the prem who'll want him now
Maybe I'm naive but in what world did he think that this could ever work out well?!?ETA If I were him I'd be trying to find out if there was a place for me at Bristol!
It's not as though he got scammed by an undercover reporter or anything, is it? As I understand it, he just made a couple of stupid comments to his own brother over a drink? Did his brother then go and tell his management that he'd been given secret information or something?
Kermit power said:
As I understand it, he just made a couple of stupid comments to his own brother over a drink? Did his brother then go and tell his management that he'd been given secret information or something?
I suspect it is a combination of rumours that he'd been out with a member of the opponent's team (his brother) combined with Bristol's uncanny knowledge of Sale's line out tactics. From there on in it is simply a case of enough people taking interest in the possibility of foul play (and I include players from both teams, coaching staff, the media and fans in this)Either way it is not a pretty situation. Thinking about it I'm sure Bristol also be looking to distance themselves from the sorry mess, so he probably won't have much luck when he comes knocking for a job with them either!
James Drake said:
Kermit power said:
As I understand it, he just made a couple of stupid comments to his own brother over a drink? Did his brother then go and tell his management that he'd been given secret information or something?
I suspect it is a combination of rumours that he'd been out with a member of the opponent's team (his brother) combined with Bristol's uncanny knowledge of Sale's line out tactics. From there on in it is simply a case of enough people taking interest in the possibility of foul play (and I include players from both teams, coaching staff, the media and fans in this)Surely Sale couldn't expect him to have no contact with a close family member under these circumstances, and unless someone else overheard the conversation, surely all he would've needed to do would be to sit down at the disciplinary meeting and say "Yes, we met. We discussed mum's lumbago, where we were going to go on holiday, and Brexit. The only rugby discussion we had was about who would need to get injured for us both to get called up for the Lions", and they wouldn't be able to prove anything at all, certainly not to the point of sacking him?
The Telegraph article was talking about an apparent breakdown of relations between him and the rest of the Sale squad already, so maybe one or more of the other players actually did follow him to the hotel and overhear the conversation?
James Drake said:
And it surely can't get much worse than 43-0... can it?
I quite enjoyed that score line 
should have been 50 but they cocked up their last line out.Never good seeing fans walking out before the end of the game though
Did you see the interview program that BT did with cockers? Thought it was a pretty good watch, very honest and comes across as a pretty decent guy
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