Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?
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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/18/brad...
Strictly talking about taking the drugs not pushing others to take them?
Could this destroy his reputation & worst case have history with his name removed?
Strictly talking about taking the drugs not pushing others to take them?
Could this destroy his reputation & worst case have history with his name removed?
Well like Lance we know his love of syringes, despite categorically stated in his autobiography that he has never received an injection in his racing career. So a bit like Lance, we also know he's a liar. Coincidentally, I'm fairly certain that triamcinolone was also the drug that Armstrong failed on, but was covered up. So yes, many things in common with Lance.
if he has exemptions and is cleared to use them then whats the issue. The system may be at fault and its possible riders will try and abuse it or bend the rules but its as far removed from Armstrong as you can get as he managed an entire team and officials and the UCI to a certain extent.
One proviso I believed Armstrong until he came out with the truth.
One proviso I believed Armstrong until he came out with the truth.
All the top tour cyclists are on something, but certain doctors will sign off anything that isnt explicitly banned by WADA, so they "get away" with it.
Im sure the side effect of it giving performance enhancements was just an inconvenient extra for Wiggins, he likely deliberately slowed down so as not to take advantage of it, and the whole comment about not using any needles can be spun by his representatives to mean something else, so he will maintain the clean image for now.
Im sure the side effect of it giving performance enhancements was just an inconvenient extra for Wiggins, he likely deliberately slowed down so as not to take advantage of it, and the whole comment about not using any needles can be spun by his representatives to mean something else, so he will maintain the clean image for now.
Farmerpalmer said:
in short.. No.
this smacks of sour grapes by the Russians, releasing confidential info on athletes, as they have been banned.
Lots of athletes will be on medication due to medical conditions, and approved by a appropriate medic.( i.e declared)
Sour grapes or maybe just trying to point a few things out. Seems to be me to be a top top athlete these days you must have asthma. Those at the top of their chosen sports all seem to have it and it has done them no harm whatsoever. How does one go about contracting asthma ?? this smacks of sour grapes by the Russians, releasing confidential info on athletes, as they have been banned.
Lots of athletes will be on medication due to medical conditions, and approved by a appropriate medic.( i.e declared)
epom said:
Farmerpalmer said:
in short.. No.
this smacks of sour grapes by the Russians, releasing confidential info on athletes, as they have been banned.
Lots of athletes will be on medication due to medical conditions, and approved by a appropriate medic.( i.e declared)
Sour grapes or maybe just trying to point a few things out. Seems to be me to be a top top athlete these days you must have asthma. Those at the top of their chosen sports all seem to have it and it has done them no harm whatsoever. How does one go about contracting asthma ?? this smacks of sour grapes by the Russians, releasing confidential info on athletes, as they have been banned.
Lots of athletes will be on medication due to medical conditions, and approved by a appropriate medic.( i.e declared)
inhalers will not give you any advantage - they only increase your lung function back to normal.
Surely the concern must be not whether the use of TUEs is legal in and of itself, clearly it is, but whether the basis on which TUEs are being claimed and approved is appropriate.
There was a piece in (I think) the Times at the weekend about using the cortisone injections and a cyclist who had them was interviewed and said that they are so effective that the performance difference between having it/not having it was absolutely night and day.
The article was very cautiously worded but the implications were potentially damning.
There was a piece in (I think) the Times at the weekend about using the cortisone injections and a cyclist who had them was interviewed and said that they are so effective that the performance difference between having it/not having it was absolutely night and day.
The article was very cautiously worded but the implications were potentially damning.
Farmerpalmer said:
epom said:
Farmerpalmer said:
in short.. No.
this smacks of sour grapes by the Russians, releasing confidential info on athletes, as they have been banned.
Lots of athletes will be on medication due to medical conditions, and approved by a appropriate medic.( i.e declared)
Sour grapes or maybe just trying to point a few things out. Seems to be me to be a top top athlete these days you must have asthma. Those at the top of their chosen sports all seem to have it and it has done them no harm whatsoever. How does one go about contracting asthma ?? this smacks of sour grapes by the Russians, releasing confidential info on athletes, as they have been banned.
Lots of athletes will be on medication due to medical conditions, and approved by a appropriate medic.( i.e declared)
inhalers will not give you any advantage - they only increase your lung function back to normal.
He doesn't look very asthmatic to me. I doubt the ones I have met could contemplate the TdF, inhaler or no inhaler.
55palfers said:
Farmerpalmer said:
epom said:
Farmerpalmer said:
in short.. No.
this smacks of sour grapes by the Russians, releasing confidential info on athletes, as they have been banned.
Lots of athletes will be on medication due to medical conditions, and approved by a appropriate medic.( i.e declared)
Sour grapes or maybe just trying to point a few things out. Seems to be me to be a top top athlete these days you must have asthma. Those at the top of their chosen sports all seem to have it and it has done them no harm whatsoever. How does one go about contracting asthma ?? this smacks of sour grapes by the Russians, releasing confidential info on athletes, as they have been banned.
Lots of athletes will be on medication due to medical conditions, and approved by a appropriate medic.( i.e declared)
inhalers will not give you any advantage - they only increase your lung function back to normal.
He doesn't look very asthmatic to me. I doubt the ones I have met could contemplate the TdF, inhaler or no inhaler.
It really is something that all of these cyclists suffer from asthma, Froome and Yates seem to suffer from it too and have the same TUE applied, poor fellas.
Thing is, the TUE means they can take as much as they want and quantities are not restricted or monitored by WADA, so once they have their doctors note and WADA waiver, they can inject amounts that give them an advantage yet still shout about how clean they are to the media.
It's not cheating, officially, but I do have to question the ethics of this, and Id love to see what the levels are they are actually taking.
Thing is, the TUE means they can take as much as they want and quantities are not restricted or monitored by WADA, so once they have their doctors note and WADA waiver, they can inject amounts that give them an advantage yet still shout about how clean they are to the media.
It's not cheating, officially, but I do have to question the ethics of this, and Id love to see what the levels are they are actually taking.
Thunderhead said:
It really is something that all of these cyclists suffer from asthma, Froome and Yates seem to suffer from it too and have the same TUE applied, poor fellas.
Thing is, the TUE means they can take as much as they want and quantities are not restricted or monitored by WADA, so once they have their doctors note and WADA waiver, they can inject amounts that give them an advantage yet still shout about how clean they are to the media.
It's not cheating, officially, but I do have to question the ethics of this, and Id love to see what the levels are they are actually taking.
I think they still have to have it OK'd by the authorities not just the Doctors so its hard to blame the Riders when both the Doctors and the powers that be sanction the use of the prescribed medication.Thing is, the TUE means they can take as much as they want and quantities are not restricted or monitored by WADA, so once they have their doctors note and WADA waiver, they can inject amounts that give them an advantage yet still shout about how clean they are to the media.
It's not cheating, officially, but I do have to question the ethics of this, and Id love to see what the levels are they are actually taking.
Not really comparable to Armstrong.
TUE's are legal once authorised by the relevant people.
I just wish the rules were simple. If you need a TUE, you may have one, but you cannot race until the medication has stopped and also left your body.
Re; Athma. I find it laughable. When I run, ride my bike do press ups whatever. I occasionally get out of breath. It's not "exercise induced Asthma". It's natural!
TUE's are legal once authorised by the relevant people.
I just wish the rules were simple. If you need a TUE, you may have one, but you cannot race until the medication has stopped and also left your body.
Re; Athma. I find it laughable. When I run, ride my bike do press ups whatever. I occasionally get out of breath. It's not "exercise induced Asthma". It's natural!
Thunderhead said:
It really is something that all of these cyclists suffer from asthma, Froome and Yates seem to suffer from it too and have the same TUE applied, poor fellas.
Thing is, the TUE means they can take as much as they want and quantities are not restricted or monitored by WADA, so once they have their doctors note and WADA waiver, they can inject amounts that give them an advantage yet still shout about how clean they are to the media.
It's not cheating, officially, but I do have to question the ethics of this, and Id love to see what the levels are they are actually taking.
But any rider can apply for a TUE so it's fair to assume that a fair majority of the other teams have similar TUEs in place. You don't know about them because fancy bears haven't released that data... Try cycling 20,000+ kms a year for a decade and tell me it doesn't affect your respiratory system...Thing is, the TUE means they can take as much as they want and quantities are not restricted or monitored by WADA, so once they have their doctors note and WADA waiver, they can inject amounts that give them an advantage yet still shout about how clean they are to the media.
It's not cheating, officially, but I do have to question the ethics of this, and Id love to see what the levels are they are actually taking.
And you're wrong about dosage, it's strictly controlled and the TUE explicitly states the quantity they can take, it's nthe t a free for all, the dosage is known by the UCI and WADA.
mcelliott said:
Bit one sided. I don't mind people critiquing the guy. But try and be a journalist. David Walsh has been tweeting his thoughts the last few days.
Rich_W said:
mcelliott said:
Bit one sided. I don't mind people critiquing the guy. But try and be a journalist. David Walsh has been tweeting his thoughts the last few days.
I want sport to be clean.
But I have to say, in my opinion, all this 'hacked data' is completely untrustworthy. It's basically 'jackanory'...I view it as 'inadmissible evidence'. I don't trust any of it. I'm actually fed up of hearing/ reading new revelations....it's all rubbish.
Sour grapes from the Russians...who may or may not have a point, but have gone about it the wrong way....
But I have to say, in my opinion, all this 'hacked data' is completely untrustworthy. It's basically 'jackanory'...I view it as 'inadmissible evidence'. I don't trust any of it. I'm actually fed up of hearing/ reading new revelations....it's all rubbish.
Sour grapes from the Russians...who may or may not have a point, but have gone about it the wrong way....
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